Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

[Zebra]

The availability of something is irrelevant. Tarble OVA hasn't been released worldwide, that didn't stop Tarble from being mentioned thrice.

The Tarble OVA is actually available in Japan, Dragon Ball's country of origin.

Dragon Ball Online's Yadorats appear in the Dragon Ball Super manga

Neato, but it doesn't make the rest of Online canon.

If we go by your own "settings", Dragon Ball Daima pretty much throws Dragon Ball Super out of the canon (or would have if this franchise had one)

DBS is looking more likely to be canon, actually. Daima is just a spinoff. Toriyama worked on it, but there's no reason to think it overwrites DBS, which is a main installment.

[The Dark Knight]

The Tarble OVA is actually available in Japan.

Actually, it isn't; there isn't any legal way to buy or stream that special.

DBS is looking more likely to be canon, actually.

No one in any official capacity has ever said product A is canon, while product B isn't.

Daima is just a spinoff.

Can you provide a source for this ?

DBS is a main installment.

A source for this as well ?

Toriyama worked on it, but there's no reason to think it overwrites DBS.

This is true, as no one official has ever said Daima overwrites Super, just as no one has ever said Super overwrites GT.

[Zebra]

Actually, it isn't; there isn't any legal way to buy or stream that special.

Splitting hairs. It was available in Japan.

No one in any official capacity has ever said product A is canon, while product B isn't.

V-Jump said DBS Broly brought Gogeeta and Broly into canon, which implies the movies and GT aren't.

A source for this as well ?

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations ... -toriyama/

[PhantomSaiyan]

"MY Dragon Ball is more important than YOUR Dragon Ball!"

Enough of this nonsense, both sides of this canon war is stupid. None of you can determine what is more "legitiamte" because Toriyama himself didn't give a shit, you will never find an answer to this, you will just argue endlessly, wasting time on something trivial that does not matter.
You can extrapolate from random quotes and interviews all you want, all of them are vague at best, and don't confirm what you think they are confirming, like The Dark Knight said, they never stated that one product overwrites the other.

Even if you were right, hypothetically, and your favorite show is the "main" one, what does that accomplish? Congratulations and all, but that doesn't erase the other shows from existing lol these stories are not real anyway

[Kenji]

Disney's version of Cinderella is not the REAL Cinderella.
The REAL Cinderella is that version where her sisters' eyes get pecked out by crows in a bloody, gory mess.

Disney's version couldn't possibly be the REAL Cinderella, because of the tone inconsistencies, you see? The REAL Cinderella is supposed to be a bloody, gory story and Disney's Cinderella is not that, therefore, it's not the REAL Cinderella.

Wait, why are you guys still watching Disney's Cinderella?
It's not the REAL Cinderella!

Quit having fun!

[VegettoEX]

For what it's worth, because I see this brought up pretty often, but about that "chosen successor" line if anyone's thinking about going down that rabbit hole:

(Apologies for the Twitter link, but that's just where things were at the time.)

https://x.com/VegettoEX/status/1344377693102616576

Bought an extra XV2 collector’s book to break & scan for site work. Then bought the JP XV2 guidebook for same reason. There was a lot of scuttlebutt about this “chosen successor” note when it first came out. Regardless of what you think about it, it’s uh, not there in Japanese.

I truly have no horse in this race, and by this point it’s fairly obvious we’re getting Toyo continuations (and not, like, Ooishi). I don’t actually think it was misleading at all. Just super curious about what led to that being written there in that specific way back in 2016.

And finally, there's nothing that makes me and the broader community want to read, nevermind take seriously, the posts someone makes EVEN LESS than seeing that they're a bunch of single-line, snippy, asshole-ish back-and-forths. In fact, it's explicitly called out in the community guidelines!

I assume that the people talking that way want to be viewed that way and so they'd continue doing it even if it WEREN'T frowned upon, but maybe just take that all back to sit on and ponder for a bit, please! Are you TRYING to be toxic and obnoxious? Cool; you won! Do you want to actually change minds? You completely lost!

[super michael]

Disney's version of Cinderella is not the REAL Cinderella.
The REAL Cinderella is that version where her sisters' eyes get pecked out by crows in a bloody, gory mess.

Disney's version couldn't possibly be the REAL Cinderella, because of the tone inconsistencies, you see? The REAL Cinderella is supposed to be a bloody, gory story and Disney's Cinderella is not that, therefore, it's not the REAL Cinderella.

Wait, why are you guys still watching Disney's Cinderella?
It's not the REAL Cinderella!

Quit having fun!

I never read the Cinderella book, so I didn't know it was that different then the Disney version. Even though they Disney version isn't the original, it doesn't change that I enjoyed it and still enjoy it.

I don't know if I would enjoy the original, I can't judge something that I never read.

Canon and non canon doesn't matter at all, those has no impact on the quality of the anime.


I don't mind people that enjoys Dragon Ball Super, however what I am against are people that act like DBS has the same flaws as DB/DBZ or acting like the characters acts the same when they don't.

DBS does have some good idea, I won't deny that. BoG, RoF, U6 Vs U7, Goku Black, ToP, Broly, DBS Super Hero, Moro and Granolah were all good ideas. SSG Ritual, SSG, SSB, SSB Kaioken, UI, UE, Orange Piccolo and Beast Gohan were good transformation.

[Kenji]

Canon and non canon doesn't matter at all, those has no impact on the quality of the anime.

Basically. The canon debate is exhausting because people really shouldn't be focusing on the validity of a fictional work of art, or how consistent it is with the author's original vision, and should really be focusing on enjoying themselves with what they're watching, the artistry behind it, and how that work of art impacted them personally.

The mindset that something is "less than" or can't be enjoyed simply because the same person didn't work on it is entirely personal. Someone can enjoy Toriyama's work, just as much as they can enjoy Toyotaro's or Aya Matsui's. In fact, they can enjoy Toyotaro's or Aya Matsui's approach better than Toriyama's.

Just like I assume a lot of people enjoy Toriyama's approach better than Journey to the West, or they enjoy Disney's approach better than Grimm's on Cinderella. At the end of the day, this is all a fictional fairy tale and you should be focusing on what they're supposed to be teaching you rather than who wrote it and how they're writing it.

[The Dark Knight]

In fact, they can enjoy Toyotaro's or Aya Matsui's approach better than Toriyama's.

This is the kind of thing you say when you want to get hit by lightening.

[JulieYBM]

In fact, they can enjoy Toyotaro's or Aya Matsui's approach better than Toriyama's.

This is the kind of thing you say when you want to get hit by lightening.

Funnily enough, this attitude is why fans of Japanese animated projects based on Japanese comics deserve no respect

[VegettoEX]

Funnily enough, this attitude is why fans of Japanese animated projects based on Japanese comics deserve no respect

WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN.

I gotta give it to the short/blunt/toxic folks: at least you understand what they're trying to get across to you.

[Kenji]

In fact, they can enjoy Toyotaro's or Aya Matsui's approach better than Toriyama's.

This is the kind of thing you say when you want to get hit by lightening.

One simple question: Do you consider Toriyama's Bardock better than the original?

This is the kind of thing you say when you can appreciate things an author got right, while also acknowledging he got a lot of wrong, and you can appreciate other things other authors got right in his absence, and you're secure enough to not particularly care about what random people on the Internet think of you as a person because of that.

[BernardoCairo]

One simple question: Do you consider Toriyama's Bardock better than the original?

Honestly? Toriyama's Bardock. And that’s not saying much. I’ve never understood the fuss about Bardock in general, in either version. But I guess he’s still better than most of the mediocre movie characters Toei was coming up with back then (Broly being the first that comes to mind).

[The Dark Knight]

Funnily enough, this attitude is why fans of Japanese animated projects based on Japanese comics deserve no respect

Says the person with the absolute worst attitude on the entire site, by far.

One simple question: Do you consider Toriyama's Bardock better than the original?

I hate Toriyama's Bardock with a burning passion; my comment above was just a joke. In fact, I consider both DB & Z to be better than the original manga.

[Koitsukai]

My issue with Akira's Bardock is that it completely changes Goku's origin and nature. To the point he now has this wish looking over him so he could "thrive", which sucks because I was warming up to his expansion in the manga up until then.

Akira's Broly, which I adore, doesn't really affect what has already been established about the saiyans, the King, Vegeta, Freeza or anything related to him. While Bardock "retells"Goku, his family, the influence of Son Gohan, etc. It's not just a character done wrong.

[Grimlock]

I like both Bardocks, overall I think they are good characters. Although Toriyama's one is slightly inferior due to a worse design. If he had kept at least the headband...

Neato, but it doesn't make the rest of Online canon.

So one statement that you made up is enough to render Dragon Ball Online not canonical, but the game's Yadorats appearing in the manga is not enough to make it canonical in your fake canon?

I guess it's impossible to expect coherence from those who think there's a canon in Dragon Ball. Still, my work here is done. I'm always delighted to expose how utterly ridiculous, delusional and contradictory these people are.

[Zebra]

I like both Bardocks, overall I think they are good characters. Although Toriyama's one is slightly inferior due to a worse design. If he had kept at least the headband...

Neato, but it doesn't make the rest of Online canon.

So one statement that you made up is enough to render Dragon Ball Online not canonical, but the game's Yadorats appearing in the manga is not enough to make it canonical in your fake canon?

Because DBO clashes with the manga in other ways. Yardrats alone aren't enough. The fact Toyotaroh made sure to include the anime designs is arguably more evidence against DBO, too.