Unpopular DB opinions

[Mr Baggins]

Before everyone screams "BUT BROLY!!!!!", what does that movie have besides its good visuals ? Broly is basically a prettier Resurrection F.

Bruv... come on. You already asked this question in another thread, and I answered it directly in sufficient detail.

If you're curious about why I liked Resurrection 'F', I will defer to what I recently posted in honor of its 10th anniversary. I could go into much further detail on that, but that's the basic gist.

The Koyama movies are, of course, forgettable though mildly enjoyable time-wasters at best and utter dogwater at worst. No arguments there.

Not once did we see Vegeta reflect on how his father impacted Broly and his father, not once did we see Goku reflect on how lucky he was to have avoided Broly's fate by being sent to earth, and not once did we Broly or his father actually speak to Goku and Vegeta.

See, I can't get behind any of that. These are unnecessary ideas that would have actively detracted from the story Broly was telling.

The point of the contrast between Broly and Goku was that while the former's father was an overbearing influence on his life for selfish reasons, the latter's father took initiative to give his son a much better one without any interaction with him or personal gain at all. I keep seeing shit like "why didn't Goku remember Bardock" or "why didn't Goku interact with Bardock" when that completely ignores the foil work put in place to distinguish their upbringings as Saiyans. It would add nothing, and would mean nothing.

We don't need the Saiyans to reflect on their differences because this is readily apparent in the film. Goku asking Broly why he lets people control him gives you a pretty succinct picture of the distinction between their parent-son relationships.

Then, as mentioned, the two proceed to have a better mutual understanding by doing what they do best – beating the absolute snot out of each other. Bonus detail: Gogeta being depicted almost like a villain while nearly obliterating poor Broly.

Frieza is also great in this, and you get a sense of why he is the way he is specifically because of his relationship with King Cold in the prologue, which plays into its theme.

[The Dark Knight]

Bruv... come on. You already asked this question in another thread, and I answered it directly in sufficient detail.

I don't necessarily disagree with what you said; it's just that Broly as a story didn't work for me the way it worked for you and others. Please don't take my comments as me outright hating the movie, because I don't; I just don't think it's on the level as something like BOG. I feel like Toriyama did a better job with BOG at getting across what he intended, unlike Broly where (to me at least) a lot of the details got lost in the action.

[Mr Baggins]

Fair enough.

Battle of Gods is up there for me as well, for whatever it's worth; so much that I'm likely to end up tuning into its anime remake-of-a-remake (lol) at some point, even if the notion of such a thing doesn't exactly rouse me.

[Scsigs]

DBH characters like Cumber comes off as some OC that a kid would write and be like "He can one shot every Super Saiyan in his base form" on the playgrounds.

This is a rather cold take, friend. Cumber is one of the edgiest official designs in Dragon Ball history.

Probably my least popular opinion is that Resurrection 'F' is a good (not great, but good) DB film.

I'd say of the Z films, it's not the worst. The main thing, though, is that the story unfortunately lacks any real tension or stakes while also trying to have a character arc for Goku. So, it does a good thing with giving positive character development for Goku, but also a bad thing with how it does it. Beerus & Whis being on Earth immediately deflates the tension because if Goku or Vegeta fail to defeat Freeza, they can just step in to finish the job, but at least Whis needs to be there on Earth to reverse time so Goku can stop Freeza from rage quitting the fight by blowing Earth up in a tantrum. It's a catch 22.
Other than that, it has some nice action & animation for eye candy & I like that they got Roshi & Tien in on the action since they haven't gotten to do much in a while.

[The Dark Knight]

I'd say of the Z films, it's not the worst. The main thing, though, is that the story unfortunately lacks any real tension or stakes while also trying to have a character arc for Goku. So, it does a good thing with giving positive character development for Goku, but also a bad thing with how it does it.

The issue I have with Goku's arc in the movie is that it tries to solve an issue that was never an issue until this movie introduced it: Goku letting his guard down. The writes presented this as if it was something Goku was known for and had struggled to resolve up to this point, but in reality, he only let his guard down twice during the original manga's story: When he thought he had won against Piccolo in the 23rd Tenkaichi, and again when he let go of Raditz's tail. Considering that it never happened again, it is safe to assume that Goku learned his lesson.

[Dbzk1999]

I'd say of the Z films, it's not the worst. The main thing, though, is that the story unfortunately lacks any real tension or stakes while also trying to have a character arc for Goku. So, it does a good thing with giving positive character development for Goku, but also a bad thing with how it does it.

The issue I have with Goku's arc in the movie is that it tries to solve an issue that was never an issue until this movie introduced it: Goku letting his guard down. The writes presented this as if it was something Goku was known for and had struggled to resolve up to this point, but in reality, he only let his guard down twice during the original manga's story: When he thought he had won against Piccolo in the 23rd Tenkaichi, and again when he let go of Raditz's tail. Considering that it never happened again, it is safe to assume that Goku learned his lesson.

It uh, definitely happened more times than you’re remembering. It gets specifically called out by Vegeta, after he knocks Goku out in the Boo arc, after Goku lets his guard down.

[The Dark Knight]

It uh, definitely happened more times than you’re remembering. It gets specifically called out by Vegeta, after he knocks Goku out in the Boo arc, after Goku lets his guard down.

Goku didn't view Vegeta as an enemy, so he didn't think he needed to keep his guard up. There's a difference between letting your guard down as a bad habit, and doing so in circumstances that are understandable. If I get in an argument with a stranger, I'm going to be far more vigilant than I would be if that same argument was with a close friend, for the simple fact that I'm not expecting my friend to try to hurt me.

[Dbzk1999]

It uh, definitely happened more times than you’re remembering. It gets specifically called out by Vegeta, after he knocks Goku out in the Boo arc, after Goku lets his guard down.

Goku didn't view Vegeta as an enemy, so he didn't think he needed to keep his guard up. There's a difference between letting your guard down as a bad habit, and doing so in circumstances that are understandable. If I get in an argument with a stranger, I'm going to be far more vigilant than I would be if that same argument was with a close friend, for the simple fact that I'm not expecting my friend to try to hurt me.

I feel like this analogy kinda goes out the window a bit when said friend just recently murdered god knows how many people for the sake of fighting you, with the purpose of hurting you. Not even saying that Goku is wrong to see him as a friend by that point, but when a big part of that “letting his guard down” flaw is the emphasis on how he can have a tendency to be too relaxed, yeah that’s a prime example of it. And again, it’s not like he did it with Raditz and then did it with Majin Vegeta with nothing in between. There’s several examples of him letting himself be too relaxed and letting his guard down as a result.

[Scsigs]

I'd say of the Z films, it's not the worst. The main thing, though, is that the story unfortunately lacks any real tension or stakes while also trying to have a character arc for Goku. So, it does a good thing with giving positive character development for Goku, but also a bad thing with how it does it.

The issue I have with Goku's arc in the movie is that it tries to solve an issue that was never an issue until this movie introduced it: Goku letting his guard down. The writes presented this as if it was something Goku was known for and had struggled to resolve up to this point, but in reality, he only let his guard down twice during the original manga's story: When he thought he had won against Piccolo in the 23rd Tenkaichi, and again when he let go of Raditz's tail. Considering that it never happened again, it is safe to assume that Goku learned his lesson.

I mean, sure, I can see that. It was definitely a bit forced. I still like that it tried to set up a character arc with Goku, though. It also set up Ultra Instinct that wouldn't be paid off until the Tournament of Power, though I think it could've been pulled off a bit better with more coherency & cohesiveness.