"Dragon Ball Xenoverse 3" Official Discussion Thread.

[JulieYBM]

Damn, that 2D animated cut scene was a nice surprise. I wish the production committee partners would do a new weekly series, just to toy around with this game's story in an expanded television anime format.

[WittyUsername]

A bit of a shame this couldn’t come out in the Fall, since the final DLC for XV2 is apparently coming out in Summer.

[Yuji]

Is that Bulma? Kinda creepy they immortalized her rather than going with a descendant like GT did.

[Scsigs]

Is that Bulma? Kinda creepy they immortalized her rather than going with a descendant like GT did.

All of the characters in XV from the series exist in this nebulous frozen in time zone of their lives. It shouldn't be any surprise that it's her.

[Yuji]

Is that Bulma? Kinda creepy they immortalized her rather than going with a descendant like GT did.

All of the characters in XV from the series exist in this nebulous frozen in time zone of their lives. It shouldn't be any surprise that it's her.

Right, but it's an entirely different thing to pluck the characters from the current day into the future, and have a version of Bulma which apparently has survived through some means 200 years into the future.

I hope it's a descendant with the same name or our Bulma but she's just been transported into the future and has been trying to get back. If this is the same Bulma who has abused Shenlong wishes to stay young, then that just epitomizes the way the Dragon Ball corpse is artificially kept alive without letting go of the past.

[The Dark Knight]

I hope it's a descendant with the same name or our Bulma but she's just been transported into the future and has been trying to get back.

Someone said (I don't know where they got this) that it's our Bulma who now jumps between the current and future timelines; she's not stuck. As for why she's doing this, that's yet to be revealed. I read a theory that states all the timelines could be fusing together into one timeline in the Age 1000, where every character from every era will be present there. You could have Cell arc Gohan, Future Gohan, and current Gohan all hanging out together for example.

[Thanos]

I’m quite pleased to see that this appears to be more of a spiritual successor to prior Xenoverse than anything else. I see nothing of Conton City, the Time Patrol, Trunks, etc. That’s a relief, because if it were essentially just “Xenoverse 2 but with more stuff” and the same history correcting storyline, I wouldn’t be interested at all. That concept had over a decade to flesh out.

I wonder if it’s like a Battle of Gods situation, where they had a concept in mind and maybe asked Toriyama to do a few designs but he ended up getting way more involved, thereby replacing something that looked a lot more like XV2.

[Yuji]

I’m quite pleased to see that this appears to be more of a spiritual successor to prior Xenoverse than anything else. I see nothing of Conton City, the Time Patrol, Trunks, etc. That’s a relief, because if it were essentially just “Xenoverse 2 but with more stuff” and the same history correcting storyline, I wouldn’t be interested at all. That concept had over a decade to flesh out.

I wonder if it’s like a Battle of Gods situation, where they had a concept in mind and maybe asked Toriyama to do a few designs but he ended up getting way more involved, thereby replacing something that looked a lot more like XV2.

The events of XV are way earlier in the timeline, aren't they?

[Scsigs]

It should also be said. For Xenoverse, all of the characters from the shows & movies that show up in the hub world seem to be from timelines that are similar to the ones seen in them, but aren't supposed to be them. So, it really doesn't matter if it IS main timeline Bulma, it's more than likely her from an alternate timeline. All of these games like XV work on that logic so they can fuck around with everything however they want & they mean nothing to the ongoing anime & manga projects.

[Kenji]

Not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread before, but:
I'm glad they're actually going with a whole new direction this time and ditched the entire "Trunks rehashes the same old shit" premise.

[kiarasuraru]

So far it's looking rather disconnected from X1/2 so that's promising. I'm so done and overwith the Time Patrol.
A brand new Toriyama™ sounds promising too. It's certainly gonna be DBO 2.0, same concept of a "Dragon Ball world in the futureeeeeee!" but in that same vein, slightly sad that it is not a literal DBO 2.0 reworked and updated for the modern era. I wonder if any concepts of ideas from it will be re-used and re-done yet again just like it happened with Xenoverse and Heroes.
Something that got me really curious is the idol demon girl. Will this be using Daima things? Or will it be Xeno/Heroes Demon Realm? A weird mix? And if Demon Realm denizens are in Earth, normally enough to the point one is famous idol, wonder what will be with the other races.
Guess this will finally be the fabled "there's no canon in Dragon Ball trust me bro Toyotaro said so" timeline lol.

[Bardock God of Time]

Just had a thought about Bulma

Couldn't Bulma potentially be a clone of the original Bulma? I don't think Bulma would want to live forever if it means leaving behind her Prince. So she just clones herself with her memories without worrying about the implications.

I know there's Time Travel in the Xenoverse series but it seems they might be leaning away from it?

Only a few DB characters would still be alive in this time, Namekians, Majins and people like Master Roshi.

Bulma could've made AI-Copys of her friends to teach the heroes of Age 1000, that explains Xeno Goku. Though what makes this theory fall apart is her making AI-Copys of Cell or Frieza. Also I doubt Beerus would approve having an AI-Copy of himself.

[Hellspawn28]

The only thing I want in XV3 is better AI, way less grind, and have all the DLC from XV2 be in the base game. I also wish they would go all out on what if stuff. I always felt like Dragon Ball what if stories always play things safe.

[WittyUsername]

The idea of Bulma using the Dragon Balls to make herself immortal or eternally youthful would definitely rub me the wrong way. I already didn’t like the idea of her using the Dragon Balls as glorified plastic surgery.

[Yuji]

I hope they start with Raditz again... and he turns Super Saiyan turn 1.

[JulieYBM]

The idea of Bulma using the Dragon Balls to make herself immortal or eternally youthful would definitely rub me the wrong way. I already didn’t like the idea of her using the Dragon Balls as glorified plastic surgery.

I'm torn on the idea if only because it's coming from a guy—Toriyama—who clearly doesn't really respect women and is probably doing this without really thinking about whether it makes him look somehow even worse. You know, putting aside the fact that he has never had to actually put up with criticism for how he portrays women and shall never have to.

That being said, I'm not really against the idea of someone using whatever means they can to control their appearance for what I hope is a pretty obvious reason lol. I think there's an interesting character thread to follow there in why Bulma or women in general would use means to remain in a young body. Of course, I also don't expect this game to have the integrity to address that, either lol

[Scsigs]

So, XV3 is basically continuing what the last several DLCs of 2 were setting up; actually playing with the time travel concept of the games' stories. And not just the Future Saga stuff, but ever since they introduced Fu into the mix. There's a reason, why out of all the DLCs, the ones Fu's been in as the main antagonist have had the most excitement around them. It's what a lot of people wanted for years, but expanded to a full game that they can devote the time & resources to. Plus, revamp things like the graphics & hopefully the gameplay to be better.

Things I'm hoping for are everything from XV 1 & 2 to come back. Characters, the campaigns, the moves, etc. I don't want them nickel & diming us. They should do it like IOI did for the last 2 Hitman games where the campaigns from the previous 2 carry over to the next via DLCs that you get for free if you own the previous games. That allows people to play the previous content with the new gameplay elements & graphics. IMO, I don't think we would've got the campaign from XV1 in 2 if the game wasn't ported to Switch & they didn't wanna port 1 to Switch as well. I also hope that we can play as our previous CACs because the fact that they haven't patched that into XV2 is insane to me. I don't expect to be able to change their skills, but being able to play as them at all in the various online modes would be nice.

[Mr Baggins]

A brand new Toriyama™ sounds promising too. It's certainly gonna be DBO 2.0, same concept of a "Dragon Ball world in the futureeeeeee!" but in that same vein, slightly sad that it is not a literal DBO 2.0 reworked and updated for the modern era.

I expect to see a number of elements pulled from DBO. Notably, Piccolo's back is turned in the trailer; he'll probably have the old man wrinkles.

I've gone from feeling cautiously optimistic about Project 1000 to losing all interest after hearing about the name reveal (Xenoverse 3) back to being cautiously optimistic now that they've shown more and it's looking refreshingly new. What a ride.

Jury's still out for me, but I want to see this going hard with the lore. And it seems like it just might.

[angeldreamZ004]

Conceptually very intrigued by what I saw. New City is very futuristic.
There is a giant tower that reaches the clouds, and reminds me a lot of the Karin tower, but technological, so either it's a coincidence, visual reference, or there's more to it.

Almost everyone seems to be normal earthlings to me, with no one really being capable of flying, unless the ones who can fly are all on the ground, but only flying cars are seen, Brett is the only one who appears flying. Given his clothing, apparently is a student of the Tsuru school, I have no idea if he's a saiyajin or earthling though. I saw that some people said that the 80s JP youth rebel gang caricature character may be using a fake saiyajin tail. Well, indeed no other character that could be a genuine Saiyajin can be spotted in the trailer, but there is a holographic plate in the city referencing the Oozaru. So either Saiyajins are around or it's just something related to fashion with a huge coincidence.

It suggests the presence of an idol who's a Non-Human / Supernatural / Interdimensional entity (Majin) in the Human world. But I personally believe she could be very well just some kind of a virtual avatar that looks a lot like the Glindjins or the beings from the First Makai World. Or indeed she is non-human and that's why she got her popularity.
But the only one who I'm 100% sure that is non-human here is Piccolo, so that has an important mysterious meaning than just him still being around 300 years later.

I know there's Gamma 1, but androids created by humans all fall into the human category in my opinion. It's weird though how they don't say that it's him, and, let's remember, the Gammas need to use rayguns, they can't shoot ki blasts in the usual way as we know, they only know how to fly and that's it. So we're starting to see a pattern here.

In regards to Bulma, people already made many theories about her, and I honestly have no idea what this could mean, much less about the halo around her, so I'll only give my personal theory, that maybe this is simply a new version of her that belongs to this "new timeline". The same can be applied to the girl who looks like early Boo arc Videl, maybe it's this new timeline's Videl, remember, they didn't show an illustration telling who she is. The same goes for Piccolo, so maybe it's this timeline's version of him as well. And of course, the same can be said for Gamma 1.

Then, there is Brett using what seems like some kind of virtual reality in order to wear his hero uniform, which is the Great Saiyaman, he's GS 6, while the playable character is GS 7.

So it's all a mix of many things that we got used to, in a world that feels fresh and new, but still familiar. What I noticed is that, there's at least one thing in the trailer that is taken from / is a reference to a specific Dragon Ball sub-series / brand inside the larger franchise.

• The characters, their designs and the world obviously automatically tell us that this is classic Dragon Ball.

• If you want to separate Saiyajins-Boo arcs as "Z", then there's Videl, who belongs to the Z era.

• The idol reminds us of Daima. (Though, for me, it's vague)

• Gamma 1 belongs to Super.

• More Great Saiyamen after 1 and 2 is a concept that comes from Heroes, where GS 3 and GS 4 exist. Brett and your Character are GS 6 and GS 7, so 5 is unseen. The futuristic city kinda reminds me of Heroes as well. World Mission

• (Poor GT is the only one left lol. Unless i missed something)

So, I don't see anything here that can be connected to Xenoverse (except for the music). Much less to DB Online, unless, like, I personally don't know much about DBO, but, as far as I know, the concept of Piccolo still being alive after 3 "centuries" comes from that game, so maybe it's a reference, but it's still vague in my opinion. But these are just self-centered videogames and not exactly different sub-series / brands the same way the ones I mentioned above are.

This leads me to my current hypothesis regarding what is going on in this game so far, and the connection I make between this and the reveal trailer.

At the end of the Future Saga of Xenoverse 2, the end of existence comes, giving birth to a new reality, a new world, where elements from the different Dragon Ball sub-series / brands are unified.
This world is very futuristic, but at the same, very grounded when it comes to anomalies. The only androids who are seen are able to fly, but use rayguns. There are humans who learn the flight technique, but that's the limit of their knowledge (reminds us of Videl). One of the characters learned it through a Martial Arts School. People cannot manipulate ki in more complex ways, such as using it to shoot and materialize energy waves, beams, blasts, etc.
But you tell me "In the first trailer, the character does this and that", yes, but remember, the character is only capable to do those fantastic attacks, to shoot ki blast, and to transform into a SSJ when he's in that room, which looks a lot like a "virtual reality", the same that Brett seems to use to wear his GS uniform.
Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, etc, all these characters seem to be just legends now, or something people like to consider as fiction, and to replicate their miraculous deeds, they use advanced technology, but physically, cannot do much except for the flight.
People seem to be clueless or most unaware about the supernatural and high anomalies, with Piccolo being the only strange presence.
Brett and your characters are told to investigate an "incident", and what exactly are these incidents? Crime? Or strange phenomena occurring in this new world? Phenomena that this new world cannot understand or explain, but we're very used to them.

This is what I feel is going to be the premise of this game, which sounds very exciting to me, and a very smart way to "reboot" the timeline personally.

The only fail I see with my hypothesis so far though is that I don't know how they are going to make this work if there are going to be other species. If this was just given a new name or "Xenoverse" + a subtitle, I could see my hypothesis working even more, but it's Xenoverse 3 and I just don't see a reason why they would make such a downgrade to the character creation for a sequel if we are only going to play as a customizable human character and that's all. So they are very likely hiding very well how the other playable species are going to operate in the story, maybe this is how they'll create different story modes for each different species, and as the story progresses, the different species make contact with each other, that means, the same single story, but a different perspective to each species.

Anyway, I'm very excited, this is the new Dragon Ball related content I'm most interested and curious to see while the manga is on sleep mode. And unless annotations were given for Toyotaro, I believe this will be the true final Dragon Ball project made by Toriyama, which for me is a perfect timing before his death as he just gave a new universe with new possibilities (if my hypothesis is right), and the Dragon Ball games are starting to invest even more in stories that feel original. So let's wait for more

(Really liked the trailer visually, with fairly different art style, and beautiful visuals. The animation looks great and despite me expecting the graphics to be different, I'm satisfied as it seems to be some kind of evolution to Kakarot, with some mix with Legends. The World looks really great, already much better than Xenoverse graphically in my opinion)

[kiarasuraru]

A brand new Toriyama™ sounds promising too. It's certainly gonna be DBO 2.0, same concept of a "Dragon Ball world in the futureeeeeee!" but in that same vein, slightly sad that it is not a literal DBO 2.0 reworked and updated for the modern era.

I expect to see a number of elements pulled from DBO. Notably, Piccolo's back is turned in the trailer; he'll probably have the old man wrinkles.

I've gone from feeling cautiously optimistic about Project 1000 to losing all interest after hearing about the name reveal (Xenoverse 3) back to being cautiously optimistic now that they've shown more and it's looking refreshingly new. What a ride.

Jury's still out for me, but I want to see this going hard with the lore. And it seems like it just might.

It can't be helped. The branding is just too useful.
What we did see on this trailer does make me hopeful just like it did for you though since so far it seems like the main meat will be on the brand new setting. I really hope that if we do get "time travel" content, whatever it'll be disguised as or renamed here, we finally get some actual real and proper AUs and What-ifs and fanfictions.