The TV Anime Series Dragon Ball Super: Beerus will be broadcast on Fuji TV in the fall of 2026

[Skar]

There are a lot of scenes and episode that are not needed in DBS, they can easily be cut out without affecting the story. In the ToP they can greatly reduce the amount of time they show characters on the bench an example.


The Monaka episode that can get cut out without affecting anything. Bulma building her time machine in secret, that episode isn't needed at all.

The UI recut cut the ToP (tournament itself not the entire arc) from around 30 to 18 episodes and another recut brought it down to 12 episodes. The breakdown for that version:

What was cut -

Almost all of the peanut gallery / unnecessary explanations (IE He fired a kamehameha! Yeah!)
Any extended times where nothing happened (IE 5 seconds of smoke rising etc)
Looping animations within a few seconds
Unnecessary dialogue (IE I can't believe how strong he is! Yeah...he's getting even stronger!)

What I kept -

I tried to keep anything relevant to the plot.
If someone was jumping down in a prior scene you'll see them land in their next scene (continuity).
Tried to keep all the action.
Tried to keep all the best animation or even unique animation (buff Krillin in 129/130).
Kept all of the things that may have actually been worth explaining if they were explained well.

I think the misconception is that a more faithful version means 100% cutting and replacing all anime original scenes. Both of these recuts aren't doing that or not possible for a fan to do anyway and there are still hours of anime original scenes. More faithful just has to have less filler and closer to what Toriyama might've envisioned when he wrote it. The arc was supposed to be a fast paced battle royale lasting less than an hour. I think these recuts have done a good job of that while still keeping the best fights and character interactions.

[Mister_Popo]

I think the misconception is that a more faithful version means 100% cutting and replacing all anime original scenes. Both of these recuts aren't doing that or not possible for a fan to do anyway and there are still hours of anime original scenes. More faithful just has to have less filler and closer to what Toriyama might've envisioned when he wrote it. The arc was supposed to be a fast paced battle royale lasting less than an hour. I think these recuts have done a good job of that while still keeping the best fights and character interactions.

What counts as faithful is something you can question. We do not know exactly what the “Toriyama outlines” are. What we do know — something you pointed out yourself — is that they are only outlines, not a fully developed story. You can see that from the many differences between the manga and anime versions. However, neither version, manga nor anime, is inherently more “pure Toriyama” than the other. The so-called “filler” is necessary to turn those outlines into a complete story. By that logic, shortening the story does not make it any more or less authentic to Toriyama’s version, as long as the basic outlines are still followed.

The Tournament of Power may have been a relatively short tournament in-universe, but the large number of anime episodes mainly served to give the other universes — besides 6, 7, and 11 — some proper focus as well. Not everything happened in a completely linear way. There were many battles involving 8 different universes taking place simultaneously. The anime took its time to show that multi-universal aspect, whereas the manga, in my opinion, rushed through the fights too much. The in-universe time and the actual screentime are very different things, but if you cut too much, the focus ends up being mostly on the Universe 7 vs Universe 6 and Universe 11 fights, even though it was fundamentally supposed to be a battle between 8 universes. In fiction and fantasy, time is often stretched to create more storytelling tension — for example, the fight between Goku and Frieza, where the supposedly final few minutes before Namek’s destruction were spread across 10 episodes to build suspense.

That said, I do think you are right that both the TOP and Future Trunks arcs should receive the same remaster treatment as the first three arcs. And yes, some trimming could definitely be done here and there. The question is simply where. In the TOP, for example, the recruitment process could absolutely be shortened, because it drags on without the story making much actual progress. The most important thing is that the proportions between the story arcs remain more or less balanced. A Moro arc lasting 26 episodes while Future Trunks/TOP only get 12–14 episodes would feel very disproportionate. If they finish the Moro arc first, they may have a better reference point for determining the appropriate length of the remastered versions of the longer arcs.

[Vegard Aune]

I also just don't want to sit through two cours dedicated to the Moro arc where it's nothing but meaningless fighting because the series isn't allowed to be well-written, it's only allowed to follow Toriyama's outline. I don't need to see Gohan, Piccolo and the other Earthlings all fighting Moro and his minions in another "getting the band back together to play the greatest hits" yet again. There's no story arc there, there's no character shit that is actually happening, and it has nothing to do with the main thrust of the arc as has been established up to that point already.

At least the Earthlings VS Prisoners fights in the Moro arc are relatively short. If they then did two full cours of Granolah thereafter... we'd likely have eight episodes straight of fighting Gas, and even speaking as someone who ultimately did not mind that arc and thought it had some neat ideas (me only reading it after it was all over probably helped), the idea of three and a half hours worth of fighting that guy feels absolutely miserable. Four episodes is the absolute most it should take, and I'd really prefer three. (Probably gonna be hard to condense it beyond that with all the constant upsets and the fairly lengthy flashback in the middle of the fight.)

...idk, maybe if the anime got creative with the choreography and directing and such, but my hopes aren't exactly high. We already had four episodes of fighting Gomah at the end of Daima and that, too, got really old after a while what with the guy basically having nothing to offer except "Is strong" and "Is functionally invulnerable". The Gas fight as presented in the manga suffers from much the same problem, even if I would argue it is perhaps a bit more interestingly presented with his body literally decaying as the fight goes on, and this having absolutely no effect on his fighting prowess. If nothing else, it is at least decently creepy imagery. But... one episode would be enough for that part, I think.


...So yeah. One cour each for the manga adaptations please. Even assuming that the anime goes its own direction with them and doesn't follow the manga panel for panel the way I expect them to do, I don't think there's enough story content in either of them to warrant two cours.

[JulieYBM]

I also just don't want to sit through two cours dedicated to the Moro arc where it's nothing but meaningless fighting because the series isn't allowed to be well-written, it's only allowed to follow Toriyama's outline. I don't need to see Gohan, Piccolo and the other Earthlings all fighting Moro and his minions in another "getting the band back together to play the greatest hits" yet again. There's no story arc there, there's no character shit that is actually happening, and it has nothing to do with the main thrust of the arc as has been established up to that point already.

At least the Earthlings VS Prisoners fights in the Moro arc are relatively short. If they then did two full cours of Granolah thereafter... we'd likely have eight episodes straight of fighting Gas, and even speaking as someone who ultimately did not mind that arc and thought it had some neat ideas (me only reading it after it was all over probably helped), the idea of three and a half hours worth of fighting that guy feels absolutely miserable. Four episodes is the absolute most it should take, and I'd really prefer three. (Probably gonna be hard to condense it beyond that with all the constant upsets and the fairly lengthy flashback in the middle of the fight.)

...idk, maybe if the anime got creative with the choreography and directing and such, but my hopes aren't exactly high. We already had four episodes of fighting Gomah at the end of Daima and that, too, got really old after a while what with the guy basically having nothing to offer except "Is strong" and "Is functionally invulnerable". The Gas fight as presented in the manga suffers from much the same problem, even if I would argue it is perhaps a bit more interestingly presented with his body literally decaying as the fight goes on, and this having absolutely no effect on his fighting prowess. If nothing else, it is at least decently creepy imagery. But... one episode would be enough for that part, I think.


...So yeah. One cour each for the manga adaptations please. Even assuming that the anime goes its own direction with them and doesn't follow the manga panel for panel the way I expect them to do, I don't think there's enough story content in either of them to warrant two cours.

Yeah, precisely. Unless they're going to actually tweak the story to commit to character work that is not in the manga adaption of those story outlines for Moro and Granola, there just isn't justification for two cours. Dragon Ball Daima was absolute torture for that very reason, squandering all the talent on hand because there wasn’t enough character work going on between the fights to create a fulfilling meal.

This is why I keep saying that they need to bring on a series director and writer with vision and then commit to letting them do their own thing. Bring back Tomioka Atsuhiro as series kousei and let him him write scripts that bridge the gap between what waa going on in the Tournament of Power arc and the Moro arc. Let Gohan and #17 and all the others feel like those same characters we last left off in that arc. Do this for the Granola arc and a Super Hero remake.

Toriyama is dead. If you want this shit to be good television that fans will want to support, you have got to let other creators do their fucking thing.

[Skar]

What counts as faithful is something you can question. We do not know exactly what the “Toriyama outlines” are. What we do know — something you pointed out yourself — is that they are only outlines, not a fully developed story. You can see that from the many differences between the manga and anime versions. However, neither version, manga nor anime, is inherently more “pure Toriyama” than the other. The so-called “filler” is necessary to turn those outlines into a complete story. By that logic, shortening the story does not make it any more or less authentic to Toriyama’s version, as long as the basic outlines are still followed.

The Tournament of Power may have been a relatively short tournament in-universe, but the large number of anime episodes mainly served to give the other universes — besides 6, 7, and 11 — some proper focus as well. Not everything happened in a completely linear way. There were many battles involving 8 different universes taking place simultaneously. The anime took its time to show that multi-universal aspect, whereas the manga, in my opinion, rushed through the fights too much. The in-universe time and the actual screentime are very different things, but if you cut too much, the focus ends up being mostly on the Universe 7 vs Universe 6 and Universe 11 fights, even though it was fundamentally supposed to be a battle between 8 universes. In fiction and fantasy, time is often stretched to create more storytelling tension — for example, the fight between Goku and Frieza, where the supposedly final few minutes before Namek’s destruction were spread across 10 episodes to build suspense.

I think there are three levels of anime original scenes in this case:

1. Scenes to cover and connect between the bullet points in Toriyama's outlines.

2. Extra scenes such as fights, character interactions, plot threads, etc and that weren't in the outline.

3. Standard anime padding to extend the runtime that no one would miss if they were cut.

If you look at the description of the fan recut I gave all they did was cut from #3 (scenes where nothing happens, looping animation, unnecessary dialogue or reactions describing what's happening on screen). All the other universes fights and interactions are still there. Toei was the one who mentioned this version will be more faithful since unlike fans they have access to the outlines. We don't know what they're going to cut but I assume a mix of #2 and #3. There's still going to be a lot of anime original scenes left in and just less of them overall.