Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[QuakingStar]

The DBS Broly movie and SH Movie and Arc seem to be working off of the Manga version of the ToP. Where Jiren was able to not only catch up to but outlast MUI Goku with Whis saying Jirens potential was immeasurable.

[Miracles]

Yes sir, Jiren's potential couldn't be measured [Gauge his ceiling]. He was countering Goku's UI through determination as the fight went on. However, that was only due to the fact that Goku's body couldn't handle UI [Strain] since it was his first time using it. Both were at a disadvantage and it was a war of attrition. Jiren outlasted him.

But yeah you are correct...All the continuities tie in concerning that specific account. Goku and Vegeta need to manage their power better especially in the stamina department. Their full power doesn't last long during fights unlike their opponents and it makes it seem like they are outclassed by large margins. Where enemies use techniques to maintain their full power longer [being relaxed in the midst of battle before attacking giving them better output].

Hence why Jiren in the manga, as you said is able to keep up with Goku's UI cause UI is trick he just learned and his stamina was the issue just like it is today [Controlling his emotions as well].

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I keep seeing people saying Pure Buu > Super Buu or even Buutenks. I'm pretty sure Bootenks says he is the strongest Majin in history which is obviously Pre-Boohan and Herms even translated the lines before.

Now I can understand if they say Pure Buu >= Super Buu in power because it's literally just Pure Buu with the two Kai's inside still, until he spits Good Buu out who would presumably then be the one with both Kais inside.

I blame the anime for adding all those lines glazing Kid Boo.

The anime also throws you for a bit of a loop when Vegeta says Goku is the only one who can fight Boo (Gohan was dead, but why can't he be brought back?) and Gohan's energy isn't enough to kill Boo.

[PhantomSaiyan]

and Gohan's energy isn't enough to kill Boo.

The way I always understood that is that they don't give their entire strenght to the Genkidama, otherwise they'd end up lying dead on the ground instead of just being exhausted, they just give a significant fraction of energy, but not the full thing.

[Noah]

Isn't current Gogeta Blue (and beyond) just enough to deal with Black Freeza?