Who is the strongest human?

[Drunken Master]

Haha, I used to have an avatar of the scene where Trunks gets pummeled in the face by Tenshinhan, it was an animated gif. Priceless. Well I know I can't find the custom avatar, but I know where I can find the gif, hehe.

BAM

[Pain]

Haha, I used to have an avatar of the scene where Trunks gets pummeled in the face by Tenshinhan, it was an animated gif. Priceless. Well I know I can't find the custom avatar, but I know where I can find the gif, hehe.

BAM

I don't see the gif. Maybe the file was really old and it expired?

[Drunken Master]

Bah, was working last night. How about now?

[djkalteraphine]

Oh, good times, movie 9.

[Pain]

Ok I see it now. That scene must go down in DragonBall movie history.

[Joey Batz]

Drunken Master, that was actually a well thought out post. How well thought out? Let's just say that yesterday I was pretty sure Krillin was stronger than Tien, and today I believe that Tien is the stronger of the two. MAYBE Krillin had surpassed him at some points or another, who knows (Krillin WAS kicking some Saiyan ass at one point), but the fact is that it really does seem that Tien IS in fact the stronger of the two. And I say this as a Krillin fan.

There are only a couple things I want to point out about your post, even though I agree with its inevitable conclusion:

1) I did not know that about Tien's ancestry. I was always under the impression that Tien gained a third eye from training or meditating or something. Now before you all say that's crazy talk, remember that ki (as in gigantic ki blasts), or chi, is based on real life metaphysical concepts. So is the concept of the third eye. In real life Mediterranean culture, there is the concept of of a spiritual third eye called the "Evil Eye", or the "Jagan" if I'm not mistaken (this also is used in Yu Yu Hakusho, as Hiei has a third eye called the Jagan Eye). Now obviously this is a bit different than what Tien and Hiei have, but so's ki. It's based on real life metaphysical concepts that, theoretically (if you're a believer in those philosophies or ideas or whatever), any normal human can achieve. So I always figured that the 4 arms and 12 Eyes techniques were kind of in the same vein, if you know what I mean. If you didn't realize, I'm also saying I didn't know Tien wasn't human (by alien, do you mean actually from outer space, or do you mean simply not human? I ask because there are anthropomorphic dogs and foxes every two feet, and who knows what the hell Chioutzu and Pilaf are).

2) Perhaps Goku told Krillin to take Yamcha away was because he needed someone fast to take him there before he died (y'know, from that huge gaping hole in his chest). Maybe Krillin was faster than Tien, so he told him to go instead of Tien. Then again, being faster doesn't necessarily mean he's stronger overall, and I don't know why I would even bring this up since, like I said, I agree with you that Tien is stronger.

3) He may have not liked how strong Piccolo and Vegeta had become because he might have felt that they weren't as trustworthy as the rest of the Z Fighters (especially Vegeta. Piccolo's arguable but even Krillin mentions during his post-Trunks "speech" that "Piccolo may be OK now, but without a common enemy who knows what Vegeta will do", showing the importance that common enemies have in keeping their allies together). Remember that Piccolo and Vegeta were major villains at one point. Krillin was not. He never comments about Krillin, but he never comments about Goku either. Or Gohan (being surpassed by, what, an 8 year old? I'm pretty sure he wouldn't like that either). I'm not saying I'm right and your wrong, but it's just an alternate way of looking at things. Tien seems to be less trusting of his former enemies than, say, Yamcha (who's rooming with Vegeta at that point), so it's not hard to believe that he'd be unhappy with Piccolo as well as Vegeta making such advances in strength.

Anyhoo, that solves the Tien vs. Krillin debate. Now as for the strongest human, well Uub is the second strongest, and the strongest is Hercule who wields the power of a thousand gods and unleashes it through his mighty 'Fro of Justice.

[Herms]

(by alien, do you mean actually from outer space, or do you mean simply not human? I ask because there are anthropomorphic dogs and foxes every two feet, and who knows what the hell Chioutzu and Pilaf are).

According to Daizenshuu 4 and 7, Tenshinhan is the descendent of aliens known as the Three-Eyed Tribe, which is where he gets his ability to grow extra arms and split into multiple from (and also his third eye, of course). Daizenshuu 4, while telling about his alien ancestry, still includes him in it's Earthling section, so presumably he's of mixed Earthling/alien ancestry, and didn't simply drop in from outer space like Goku and Kami.

Daizenshuu 4 and 7 also classify human-like animals such as Oolong and Puar as Animal-type Earthlings, and Pilaf as a Monster-type Earthling (Uranai Baba's fighters are other examples of Monster-type Earthlings).

[Drunken Master]

Haha, you answered every question you asked, I can't really add anything Joey.

[Shayden]

At the training before (the) Cell Game, Krillin is the weakest human out of the 3 strongest (Yamcha, Tenshinhan, and hI'm).

Still not convinced? Look at the differences in their characters. Tien is a recluse who dedicated his entire life to training and is a serious warrior. Krillin is most often a practical joker and retired from fighting after the battle with Cell so he could settle down and start a family. It's clear who has placed more emphasis on fighting and training, and it's also clear who is stronger for it.

With all this evidence, both empirical and circumstantial, it is difficult to deny Tien's superiority. He is indeed the strongest human in Dragonball, Z, and GT.

[djkalteraphine]

At the training before (the) Cell Game, Krillin is the weakest human out of the 3 strongest (Yamcha, Tenshinhan, and hI'm).

Still not convinced? Look at the differences in their characters. Tenshinhan is a recluse who dedicated his entire life to training and is a serious warrior. Krillin is most often a practical joker and retired from fighting after the battle with Cell so he could settle down and start a family. It's clear who has placed more emphasis on fighting and training, and it's also clear who is stronger for it.

With all this evidence, both empirical and circumstantial, it is difficult to deny Tenshinhan's superiority. He is indeed the strongest human in Dragonball, Z, and GT.

Kuririn was not weaker than Yamcha by any stretch of the imagination. I'd be willing to bet that Kuririn was never inferior to Yamcha, a character whose existence is based on the gag that he can't win a fight.

[Storm]

Hey, he beat the Invisible Man... with a little help from Muten and Bulma, of course.

[Cypher]

To be fair though, the characters Yamcha lost to weren't ever 'normal'; he lost to Jackie Chun (who was obviously Mutenroshi) at which time he had had no real training other than that with which we first see him in Vol.1, lost to Shen (God in disguise, who later matched Piccolo pretty well), lost to Tenshinhan (who beat Goku-albeit on a technicality). Yamcha is still one of the strongest people on the planet...

Of course later he is completely useless, but not really any more so than Kuririn or Tenshinhan, in my opinion; he just decides not to bother anymore, where the others continue training. I like Yamcha, but I think Kuririn was always more powerful; certainly the Daizenshuu support this- the only time he could have surpassed him is during Kaiou's training, but even then Kuririn was 'charged' by Saichourou, so it's hard to say.

[SSj_Rambo]

With all this evidence, both empirical and circumstantial, it is difficult to deny Tenshinhan's superiority. He is indeed the strongest human in Dragonball, Z, and GT.

Except for the fact that he's not even a full human.

But yes, I see what your saying, all evidence points to Tien being stronger than Kuririn and Yamcha. The only thing that I feel needs to be pointed out is that Kuririn was living with an advanced robot fighter that had a detailed analysis on his fighting abilities, which easily could have helped him in some increases in power/skill.

[djkalteraphine]

With all this evidence, both empirical and circumstantial, it is difficult to deny Tenshinhan's superiority. He is indeed the strongest human in Dragonball, Z, and GT.

Except for the fact that he's not even a full human.

But yes, I see what your saying, all evidence points to Tenshinhan being stronger than Kuririn and Yamcha. The only thing that I feel needs to be pointed out is that Kuririn was living with an advanced robot fighter that had a detailed analysis on his fighting abilities, which easily could have helped him in some increases in power/skill.

At the point he was living with 18, however, he had no more desire to fight. Hence the new hair-do.

[SSj_Rambo]

With all this evidence, both empirical and circumstantial, it is difficult to deny Tenshinhan's superiority. He is indeed the strongest human in Dragonball, Z, and GT.

Except for the fact that he's not even a full human.

But yes, I see what your saying, all evidence points to Tenshinhan being stronger than Kuririn and Yamcha. The only thing that I feel needs to be pointed out is that Kuririn was living with an advanced robot fighter that had a detailed analysis on his fighting abilities, which easily could have helped him in some increases in power/skill.

At the point he was living with 18, however, he had no more desire to fight. Hence the new hair-do.

Then why did he partake in the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai? And I'm sure that living with a android designed an programed for the sole purpose of fighting would lead to a bit sparing/talking about fighting.

[djkalteraphine]

Except for the fact that he's not even a full human.

But yes, I see what your saying, all evidence points to Tenshinhan being stronger than Kuririn and Yamcha. The only thing that I feel needs to be pointed out is that Kuririn was living with an advanced robot fighter that had a detailed analysis on his fighting abilities, which easily could have helped him in some increases in power/skill.

At the point he was living with 18, however, he had no more desire to fight. Hence the new hair-do.

Then why did he partake in the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai? And I'm sure that living with a android designed an programed for the sole purpose of fighting would lead to a bit sparing/talking about fighting.

18 wanted the money.

[Shayden]

To be fair though, the characters Yamcha lost to weren't ever 'normal'; he lost to Jackie Chun (who was obviously Mutenroshi) at which time he had had no real training other than that with which we first see him in Vol.1, lost to Shen (God in disguise, who later matched Piccolo pretty well), lost to Tenshinhan (who beat Goku-albeit on a technicality). Yamcha is still one of the strongest people on the planet...

Of course later he is completely useless, but not really any more so than Kuririn or Tenshinhan, in my opinion; he just decides not to bother anymore, where the others continue training. I like Yamcha, but I think Kuririn was always more powerful; certainly the Daizenshuu support this- the only time he could have surpassed him is during Kaiou's training, but even then Kuririn was 'charged' by Saichourou, so it's hard to say.

Tenshinhan Was the Strongest, Krillin The weakest and Yamcha the middle, I can give you proof, Of power levels.

[Rocketman]

Yamcha has never been the middle, except for the very beginning of the series when there's only two fighters. And even then he's last.

[Shayden]

Yamcha has never been the middle, except for the very beginning of the series when there's only two fighters. And even then he's last.

He is the middle, But he decided to play Baseball then after the Cell-Buu saga Krillin Became the 2nd strongest,

[Raki]

To be fair though, the characters Yamcha lost to weren't ever 'normal'; he lost to Jackie Chun (who was obviously Mutenroshi) at which time he had had no real training other than that with which we first see him in Vol.1, lost to Shen (God in disguise, who later matched Piccolo pretty well), lost to Tenshinhan (who beat Goku-albeit on a technicality). Yamcha is still one of the strongest people on the planet...

Of course later he is completely useless, but not really any more so than Kuririn or Tenshinhan, in my opinion; he just decides not to bother anymore, where the others continue training. I like Yamcha, but I think Kuririn was always more powerful; certainly the Daizenshuu support this- the only time he could have surpassed him is during Kaiou's training, but even then Kuririn was 'charged' by Saichourou, so it's hard to say.

Tenshinhan Was the Strongest, Krillin The weakest and Yamcha the middle, I can give you proof, Of power levels.

Power levels weren't really that important.