Why are Beast and ''Ultra Instinct'' the same color?

[PhantomSaiyan]

Exactly. So apply this answer to the thread topic and you got your answer.


Different trees can have leaves of the same color, or similar colors. There's really nothing lore-breaking or "wrong" with Beast and UI sharing a similar color. You might think it's lame and redundant, but from a writing perspective, there's no issue.

You might be looking for a deep explanation, but sometimes it's just a coincidence.

Yeah I agree with you on that, there's no point in looking for deeper connections here

[SupremeKai25]

Exactly. So apply this answer to the thread topic and you got your answer.


Different trees can have leaves of the same color, or similar colors. There's really nothing lore-breaking or "wrong" with Beast and UI sharing a similar color. You might think it's lame and redundant, but from a writing perspective, there's no issue.

You might be looking for a deep explanation, but sometimes it's just a coincidence.

Yeah I agree with you on that, there's no point in looking for deeper connections here

Well, there might be a connection - a very faint one - between Gohan and Goku. If Super Saiyan Beast is building on Ultimate, then it would make sense that it has a similar color to UI because they would both be divine forms. UI from the Angels and Ultimate/Beast from the Kaioshin. That's the most popular headcanon as far as I've seen. I've read this headcanon several times over the years, people connecting Beast to Ultimate and thus to the Kaioshin. It's something to think about.

The Destroyers (Beerus, Top, Vegeta) having a different color entirely might be because Destroyers, unlike Kaioshin and Angels, are originally mortals from the mortal plane.

[PhantomSaiyan]

Well, there might be a connection - a very faint one - between Gohan and Goku. If Super Saiyan Beast is building on Ultimate, then it would make sense that it has a similar color to UI because they would both be divine forms. UI from the Angels and Ultimate/Beast from the Kaioshin. That's the most popular headcanon as far as I've seen.

The Destroyers (Beerus, Top, Vegeta) having a different color entirely might be because Destroyers, unlike Kaioshin and Angels, are originally mortals from the mortal plane.

That's actually a really good theory, I hadn't considered that, but it'd make sense.

If I remember correctly it was mentioned somewhere, either the games or an interview, that Beast is built upon or at least influenced by the Ultimate form, if that's the case, it's a good way of looking at it.

Of course, it remains to be proven if the writers thought of it or if it's a happy accident

[Zebra]

It's explicitly said that Beast isn't divine.



The theory that it's supposed to make Gohan in any way like a Kaioushin never made any sense. Not to mention, Gohan's Ultimate form (and by extension, Beast) isn't actually linked to Kaioushin, but rather the witch Elder Kaioushin merged with. It's only thanks to the witch that Elder Kaioushin is able to draw out Gohan's dormant ability beyond its limit.

[SupremeKai25]

It's explicitly said that Beast isn't divine.

The theory that it's supposed to make Gohan in any way like a Kaioushin never made any sense. Not to mention, Gohan's Ultimate form (and by extension, Beast) isn't actually linked to Kaioushin, but rather the witch Elder Kaioushin merged with. It's only thanks to the witch that Elder Kaioushin is able to draw out Gohan's dormant ability beyond its limit.

This doesn't really change the theory. Even if it's not divine, Toriyama might have been inspired by Ultimate. That is a technique unique to Gohan and it would make sense to be inspired by Ultimate if you're designing a Super Saiyan form tailor-made for Gohan.

[Zebra]

It's explicitly said that Beast isn't divine.

The theory that it's supposed to make Gohan in any way like a Kaioushin never made any sense. Not to mention, Gohan's Ultimate form (and by extension, Beast) isn't actually linked to Kaioushin, but rather the witch Elder Kaioushin merged with. It's only thanks to the witch that Elder Kaioushin is able to draw out Gohan's dormant ability beyond its limit.

This doesn't really change the theory. Even if it's not divine, Toriyama might have been inspired by Ultimate.

Ultimate isn't divine, either. You think it is because it was granted to Gohan by a Kaioushin, but Elder Kaioushin's special powers only come from the witch he merged with. Nothing about Ultimate is actually Kaioushin-related.

[SupremeKai25]

It's explicitly said that Beast isn't divine.

The theory that it's supposed to make Gohan in any way like a Kaioushin never made any sense. Not to mention, Gohan's Ultimate form (and by extension, Beast) isn't actually linked to Kaioushin, but rather the witch Elder Kaioushin merged with. It's only thanks to the witch that Elder Kaioushin is able to draw out Gohan's dormant ability beyond its limit.

This doesn't really change the theory. Even if it's not divine, Toriyama might have been inspired by Ultimate.

Ultimate isn't divine, either. You think it is because it was granted to Gohan by a Kaioushin, but Elder Kaioushin's special powers only come from the witch he merged with. Nothing about Ultimate is actually Kaioushin-related.

Again, I'm no longer saying it's divine. I dropped that point. It's not important. I'm just saying Toriyama might have been inspired by Ultimate, another Gohan-related form, to make a new Gohan-related Super Saiyan form.

[Zebra]

This doesn't really change the theory. Even if it's not divine, Toriyama might have been inspired by Ultimate.

Ultimate isn't divine, either. You think it is because it was granted to Gohan by a Kaioushin, but Elder Kaioushin's special powers only come from the witch he merged with. Nothing about Ultimate is actually Kaioushin-related.

Again, I'm no longer saying it's divine. I dropped that point. It's not important. I'm just saying Toriyama might have been inspired by Ultimate, another Gohan-related form, to make a new Gohan-related Super Saiyan form.

What does that have to do with its color? If it's based on Ultimate, you'd think it'd be black.

[angeldreamZ004]

Just a reminder tho that I personally never considered it to be a divine transformation or something like that. The fact that it lacks the god ki tag in the mobile games speaks for itself.
In regards to its link to Kaioshin, I think it makes sense for what I said before, but I'll repeat with some clarifications.

1-Gohan had his power awakened from the contact with a Kaioshin. It was never my point to consider the witch thing because I think it doesn't really matter as it's not about where Ro Kaioshin got that power from, but who gave that power to Gohan, and regardless of it, it was a Kaioshin, fusing with a witch didn't make Ro Kaioshin a non-Kaioshin as far as I know, he was still a Kaioshin, thus, who awakened Gohan's power was a Kaioshin, that's my point.

2-Gohan trained with a Kaioshin, and he was literally the only character to do such thing in the present timeline, and he's conveniently the only one to get that unique transformation misteriously. The only other character in the series who trained with Kaioshin was Trunks in the future timeline, and he got some Kaioshin abilities from that training. So my theory is that Power Boost from Ro Kaioshin + Training with Kaioshin must've given something else to Gohan other than just his Ultimate form.

Another thing is that my hypothesis didn't rely solely on the Original Series or Super. In my first post in the thread I also mentioned Daima, as one of the aspects I really liked about that series is how it tells where the Kaioshin come from, and it was revealed to be the Makai, which is also where the Namekuseijins came from.
In order to become SSJ4, Goku needed a power boost from a Namekuseijin. Daima SSJ4 also "looks like a beast", also has red eyes, also lacks god ki but originates from the contact with supernatural entities.
So my hypothesis also considers that SSJ Beast (I really liked this name) is some kind of equivalent to SSJ4, but originated from Kaioshin contact rather than Namekuseijin contact.

SSJGod has red eyes too, but for me this is because each transformation is a distinct entry in different separate supernatural evolutions, it's at least how I see each new transformation in the modern era of the series. (UI being some kind of evolution to SSJG to my understanding, as it has god ki too. If I apply this to Gohan, his Ultimate Form could be equivalent to SSJG, while Beast is his equivalent to UI)
Basically:

SSJG = Ritual / God Ki Training
UI = Training with Angel
UE = Training with Hakaishin
DSSJ4 = Power Boost from Namekuseijin
Beast = Power Boost from + Training with Kaioshin

(I ignored SSJ Blue because it's just SSJG + SSJ, though it requires training too)

Edit: and even if we discard anything Kaoshin related, Goha back then still got another power boost originating from a Namekuseijin. Though I personally think that if this counts, Beast is more likely the result of a mix between that power boost + Training and Power Boost from Kaioshin.