The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[DanielSSJ]

Agree on Base Goku winning.

What if Piccolo fused with Kami before the Android battle?

Kamiccolo, SS Vegeta, SS Trunks, Tien Vs. 17 and 18.

17 mentions 18 can't handle everyone, so strength in numbers may work here. 16 sits out the battle due to Goku not being present.

I think the main deciding factor is if the others can figure out how to work around Vegeta, because you know he ain't cooperating. If they let him pick a fight with either Seventeen or Eighteen, and then gang up on the other one, I think they have a decent shot of victory.

[Almighty Majin]

Who is the strongest opponent each of these failed fusions can defeat?

Fat Gotenks (Buu Arc)
Fat Gotenks (Super Hero)
Veku (Fusion Reborn)
Veku (Broly)
Bonus: Candy Vegetto

I like to think that Candy Vegetto is substantially more powerful than Super Vegetto due to not only being much more difficult to actually fight against but also due to having all that power concentrated over a much smaller volume (higher power density) only offset by a seeming lack of Ki attacks (although unfortunately Candy Vegetto never lasted long enough to see if that is possible).

Also what name do you think Fat Gotenks would have? I would go with Gonks personally.

[The Dark Knight]

The GT Perfect Files list Ssj4 Goku as being roughly on the same level as Ssj1 Vegetto from the Buu saga; how does Daima's adult Ssj4 Goku compare ? Considering how his transformation shook the entire Demon Realm and his Kamehameha destroyed the barriers between the three worlds, is it fair to say that:

Adult Ssj4 Goku (Daima) > Ssj1 Vegetto (Buu saga)

Adult Ssj4 Goku (Daima) = Hypothetical Ssj2 Vegetto (Buu saga)

Adult Ssj4 Goku (Daima) < Hypothetical Ssj3 Vegetto (Buu saga)

My comparison is between the anime version of these 2 characters, so for Ssj4 Goku it would be the end of Daima's 19th episode and the first half of its 20th. For Vegetto, it would be Z's 270th, 271st, and 272nd.

[Koitsukai]

The GT Perfect Files list Ssj4 Goku as being roughly on the same level as Ssj1 Vegetto from the Buu saga; how does Daima's adult Ssj4 Goku compare ? Considering how his transformation shook the entire Demon Realm and his Kamehameha destroyed the barriers between the three worlds, is it fair to say that:

Adult Ssj4 Goku (Daima) > Ssj1 Vegetto (Buu saga)

Adult Ssj4 Goku (Daima) = Hypothetical Ssj2 Vegetto (Buu saga)

Adult Ssj4 Goku (Daima) < Hypothetical Ssj3 Vegetto (Buu saga)

My comparison is between the anime version of these 2 characters, so for Ssj4 Goku it would be the end of Daima's 19th episode and the first half of its 20th. For Vegetto, it would be Z's 270th, 271st, and 272nd.

It's been a matter of debate for years, but the context implied SS4 Goku was compared to a current potara fusion, a GT merger, not the one from a decade ago. As in turning SS4 and fusing are pretty much the same thing, not that Goku just reached the power Vegito had many years ago.

I don't see Daima SS4 as much stronger than SS3 Goku, I'm uncertain he could defeat Buuhan, if he can it's barely.
1) Super Vegito easily defeats SS4 Daima.

[The Dark Knight]

It's been a matter of debate for years, but the context implied SS4 Goku was compared to a current potara fusion, a GT merger, not the one from a decade ago. As in turning SS4 and fusing are pretty much the same thing, not that Goku just reached the power Vegito had many years ago.

Weren't those guidebooks pretty straight forward ? I'm pretty sure if they meant a hypothetical Ssj1 GT Vegetto, they would've mentioned it.

I don't see Daima SS4 as much stronger than SS3 Goku, I'm uncertain he could defeat Buuhan, if he can it's barely.

The way Ssj4 Goku was presented in Daima dwarfed anything Ssj3 Goku was shown to be capable of. Goku's first transformation into Ssj3 shook planet earth, while his transformation into Ssj4 was felt throughout all three demon worlds. Same logic applies to his Kamehameha; none of the ones he used in Z had anywhere near the destructive power we saw from the one he used as an adult Ssj4.

[Koitsukai]

It's been a matter of debate for years, but the context implied SS4 Goku was compared to a current potara fusion, a GT merger, not the one from a decade ago. As in turning SS4 and fusing are pretty much the same thing, not that Goku just reached the power Vegito had many years ago.

Weren't those guidebooks pretty straight forward ? I'm pretty sure if they meant a hypothetical Ssj1 GT Vegetto, they would've mentioned it.

I don't see Daima SS4 as much stronger than SS3 Goku, I'm uncertain he could defeat Buuhan, if he can it's barely.

The way Ssj4 Goku was presented in Daima dwarfed anything Ssj3 Goku was shown to be capable of. Goku's first transformation into Ssj3 shook planet earth, while his transformation into Ssj4 was felt throughout all three demon worlds. Same logic applies to his Kamehameha; none of the ones he used in Z had anywhere near the destructive power we saw from the one he used as an adult Ssj4.

It sure is above SS3 but I wouldn't say he became much stronger like Vegito did. While Gomah improves on the spot and manages to stay in the fight due to his hax, SS4's performance wasn't much different from his performance in the previous fights, which were also one-sided. He wasn't fighting without his arms like Vegito vs. Buuhan, or being the strongest candy in the universe, for instance. He was superior but not superior enough for me to assume he was on the realm of Vegito who, in turn, fought somebody stronger than Gomah.

Also, those guidebooks were nothing but bull, having been contradicted by the actual writers of GT before.
In any case, GT's power creep already had base Goku on Buu's level. His SS3 form was probably already on par with Z Super Vegito. There's an initial Baby form that has been stated to be above Buuhan, and Goku goes on to fight much stronger forms of Baby, more than 10x stronger, and defeat them as SS4. So, the show itself presents SS4 Goku as way above anything Z has ever offered; so that guide can only be talking about a current fusion.

[Michelle91]

If you take the anime at its word that Kid Boo was the strongest form of Boo, and that General Rild was even stronger than that, I don't think it's possible to take it any other way than than base Goku in the Black Star Dragon Balls arc is stronger than Boohan, and probably Vegeta too by extension.

Goku was likely talking about Rild's other forms as Goku did said that he was holding back in his base. Also, he got hit in the face by Pan and was a hard time trying to keep up with base Gohan. I think Base Rild is weaker than Super Buu, but his metal form is above Buuhan. I think Goku or Vegeta would at least SSj to beat him.

[The Dark Knight]

Considering was talking to Pan and Trunks, wouldn't it be more logical to assume he was comparing Rildo to the Buu they knew, good Buu ? which is the Buu who lost over half his power to Grey Buu when they split.

[DanielSSJ]

Considering was talking to Pan and Trunks, wouldn't it be more logical to assume he was comparing Rildo to the Buu they knew, good Buu ? which is the Buu who lost over half his power to Grey Buu when they split.

Technically yes, he was talking to Trunks and Pan, but really he was talking to us, the audience. And to us, "Boo" would more likely call to mind the final boss of Z, Kid Boo. Also, Trunks would be familiar with Boos other more powerful forms, and Pan would at least know their reputation just from the stories.

[Michelle91]

Veghan vs Super 17

Kibitoshin is able to give Vegeta and Gohan the earnings to fuse. Can they win?

[Almighty Majin]

Shin gets his potential unlocked by Elder Kai right after Gohan, how significant would his contribution be against Kid Buu in the final battle alongside Vegeta and Good buu? Do they win, or does the Spirit Bomb still need to pull through? If Goku joins (at SSJ2, unable to maintain SSJ3), how do they fare?

Otherwise, who is the strongest opponent this version of Shin would be able to defeat?