Future Trunks' Timeline and Namek

Kroni_Hunter · Post by **Kroni_Hunter** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:20 am

i dont think goku would have used his one day yet. In the main timeline he waits 7 years before he decides to use it, Goku would have probably been much too busy exploring the afterlife.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:59 am

Why do people assume that King Kai is going to drop everything to help one little backwater planet in the middle of no where? The Earth is just the setting of the story, it's not special, it's people are not special, it does not get special treatment.

Divine intervention is not something that just happens all the time just because. You need extenuating circumstances, which Earth had prior to the Androids. King Kai wasn't helping Earth, he was communicating with his pupil, who just happened to be alive. Nothing more. Goku died, Yamcha, Tien, Chaotzu, and Piccolo died, none of his pupils were left on Earth. Extenuating circumstances no longer exist. King Kai's hands are tied.

As for Baba... do we even know if she's alive still? We know Roshi and Oolong, at least, have survived. But there's no mention of Baba. If Baba's dead can a day back even be arranged? Would a day back even be approved if the intent of it was divine intervention outside someone's jurisdiction? They didn't bring Mutaito back to fight Piccolo.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:52 am

I think Baba, Korin, and Popo all went to Other World. Or they could have been killed. Being as Earth's population is in the ten thousands, them surviving doesn't seem likely though.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:23 pm

Kroni_Hunter wrote:Baba could have gotten Goku to return for a day and he could Instant Transmission to Namek and make the wish to revive everyone.

He can't sense New Namek from Earth. The Goku who trained for the Cell Games (thus way more powerful) had to teleport to King Kai's, be told which direction New Namek was in, then concentrate for quite some time before he could make the teleport.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 2:23 pm

Some people need to get that the whole point of this timelines is to be as bleak as possible. No Dragonballs, No Goku saving the day. Just death and a feeling of no hope at all.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 2:37 pm

Raki wrote:I think Baba, Korin, and Popo all went to Other World. Or they could have been killed. Being as Earth's population is in the ten thousands, them surviving doesn't seem likely though.

Korin must be dead(I'm agreeing with you)! We know the senzu plant dead out, extinct, for unknown reasons. A reason could be Korin died thus no one had the knowledge of how to care for the plant.

My final thoughts on Goku. We know he could have possibly come back, but that is a maybe. Only because in that point of the story we didn't know of that possibility. But if he did come back, for 24hours, would he be strong enough? Say Goku could come back and he knew about that option. Knowing Goku, he would have trained until he knew could have won against the androids. But he never took his visit. Maybe Goku knew he couldn't win?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:01 pm

Forgotten Hero wrote:My final thoughts on Goku. We know he could have possibly come back, but that is a maybe. Only because in that point of the story we didn't know of that possibility. But if he did come back, for 24hours, would he be strong enough? Say Goku could come back and he knew about that option. Knowing Goku, he would have trained until he knew could have won against the androids. But he never took his visit. Maybe Goku knew he couldn't win?

If Baba was dead, he may not have been able to go back. That 24-hours-back seems to be linked to her.

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:07 pm

Goku would have no way to knowin if he was powerful enough to battle the Androids or not. All he would know, is that they're more powerful then any SSJ at that point, and he's not going to be nearly enough at that point.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:14 pm

If Baba was dead, he may not have been able to go back. That 24-hours-back seems to be linked to her.

That is a great point, who knows? That could be. Baba is like guide of the after life. I believe some of the oni, in the after life, work for her. Without her, maybe the after life lose some of their working ability.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:17 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:Goku would have no way to knowin if he was powerful enough to battle the Androids or not. All he would know, is that they're more powerful then any SSJ at that point, and he's not going to be nearly enough at that point.

That is very true, but I can safely bank on that Goku would train and take any opportunity to fight the androids.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:33 am

As for Mirai Namek... ... ... Movie6. Never mind the fact that movie6 doesn't make a shred of sense...

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:37 am

caejones wrote:As for Mirai Namek... ... ... Movie6. Never mind the fact that movie6 doesn't make a shred of sense...

Pretty much

Kroni_Hunter · Post by **Kroni_Hunter** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:45 am

Speaking of Baba, why didn't she see this coming in her crystal ball? At the very least, she should have anticipated an Android attack on herself I'm pretty sure that once she realized that the Androids were killing everyone she would have high tailed it to King Yemma's office and survived.

I think it's also debatable whether or not the Kais would consider Goku returning to be "divine intervention". People seem to come and go from the other world all the time. Granted, Old Kai didn't approve of using Dragon Balls, but he reluctantly allowed it anyway. Just like Goku was still allowed to stay on Earth for 24 hours even though he was clearly trying to destroy babidi and his ship.

I'm not saying Goku coming back means he could beat the Androids, he would just be killed again. but if he used Porunga he could 1. Revive the fallen warriors. 2. Wish for another hyperbolic time chamber or something and 3. Give Piccolo immortality so that the dragonballs don't disappear again.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:09 pm

Kroni_Hunter wrote:Speaking of Baba, why didn't she see this coming in her crystal ball? At the very least, she should have anticipated an Android attack on herself I'm pretty sure that once she realized that the Androids were killing everyone she would have high tailed it to King Yemma's office and survived.

Her crystal ball isn't perfect. She couldn't predict the outcome of the fight against the Saiyans.

I think it's also debatable whether or not the Kais would consider Goku returning to be "divine intervention". People seem to come and go from the other world all the time. Granted, Old Kai didn't approve of using Dragon Balls, but he reluctantly allowed it anyway. Just like Goku was still allowed to stay on Earth for 24 hours even though he was clearly trying to destroy babidi and his ship.

Goku was working with the Supreme Kai to fight a universal threat.

I'm not saying Goku coming back means he could beat the Androids, he would just be killed again. but if he used Porunga he could 1. Revive the fallen warriors. 2. Wish for another hyperbolic time chamber or something and 3. Give Piccolo immortality so that the dragonballs don't disappear again.

As I said earlier, he can't reach New Namek.

Kroni_Hunter · Post by **Kroni_Hunter** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:51 pm

Uh, yes he can.

He knows Instant Transmission, he can do EXACTLY what he did in the main timeline (Instand Transmission to King Kai's, then have him show him where the planet is) to find New Namek.

And hey Frieza was trying to get IMMORTALITY. That is a universal threat as well but did you see the Kais get worked up about that?
Look at how they manipulated the system in the Saiyan Saga. They pretty much told Yemma "Hey, we're gonna leave Goku dead for a year, so can he train with one of the Gods and then get wished back to life with our taboo dragon balls to alter the fate of a planet."

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 1:56 pm

After Goku teleported Cell to Kaio's, Kaio yelled at Goku about using his planet just to save one planet, and how it wasn't necessary. That tell's me that Kaio wouldn't do everything to make sure the earth is protected. He also wouldn't even know anything about the Androids.

Kroni_Hunter · Post by **Kroni_Hunter** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:05 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:After Goku teleported Cell to Kaio's, Kaio yelled at Goku about using his planet just to save one planet, and how it wasn't necessary. That tell's me that Kaio wouldn't do everything to make sure the earth is protected. He also wouldn't even know anything about the Androids.

Kaio yelled at Goku for blowing up his planet, not for using it. He didn't get mad at Goku at all for showing up to ask about New Namek. Nor did he get mad when he came to train for his return to Earth.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:46 pm

Kroni_Hunter wrote:Uh, yes he can.

He knows Instant Transmission, he can do EXACTLY what he did in the main timeline (Instand Transmission to King Kai's, then have him show him where the planet is) to find New Namek.

King Kai's world is in the Afterlife. Could Goku leave again if he goes back to the Afterlife?

And hey Freeza was trying to get IMMORTALITY. That is a universal threat as well but did you see the Kais get worked up about that?

No, because Freeza couldn't get his wish. Porunga only responds to wishes said in Namekian, and Freeza doesn't know Namekian.

Look at how they manipulated the system in the Saiyan Saga. They pretty much told Yemma "Hey, we're gonna leave Goku dead for a year, so can he train with one of the Gods and then get wished back to life with our taboo dragon balls to alter the fate of a planet."

They didn't tell Yemma anything. Yemma allowed Goku to go without even knowing of the Saiyans.

Kroni_Hunter · Post by **Kroni_Hunter** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:16 pm

Rocketman wrote: King Kai's world is in the Afterlife. Could Goku leave again if he goes back to the Afterlife?

Probably, but even if can't, he could go to visit King Kai before he goes back, he only needed to find it once, after he got dende he was able to teleport back to earth directly so it stands to reason he could go back to New Namek directly.

Rocketman wrote: They didn't tell Yemma anything. Yemma allowed Goku to go without even knowing of the Saiyans.

Kami explained the whole thing to Yemma, and they asked permission for him to travel to snake way. When Goku gets back fully trained, Yemma even says "Maybe the Earth does stand a chance.

Post by **Herms** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:31 pm

Kroni_Hunter wrote:Kami explained the whole thing to Yemma, and they asked permission for him to travel to snake way. When Goku gets back fully trained, Yemma even says "Maybe the Earth does stand a chance.

I'm pretty sure that's a dub line, or at least just in the anime. In the manga Enma just remarks on the fact that Goku successfully returned from Kaio's. Kami did explain at least part of the situation to Enma, but we don't really know how much. Enma didn't seem aware of the connection between both Goku and Raditz being dead, at least.