Dragonball Movie Update! What is UP with this?

[Victator Supreme]

Why don't you guys just make your own movie then, if you think you know how to do it so much better than the professionals?

Why don't the professionals create their own characters and concepts? Now if they are making a Dragonball movie because it has name vaule with the public. Why not be faithful to the source material that gave it that value?

[Bardock the Mexican]

Why don't you guys just make your own movie then, if you think you know how to do it so much better than the professionals?

Why don't the professionals create their own characters and concepts? Now if they are making a Dragonball movie because it has name vaule with the public. Why not be faithful to the source material that gave it that value?

It's not worth answering this question as the answer is quite obvious. Not only are the pro-movie people ignoring the facts with their heads in the sand, they are also taking snipes at people who are against it. they don't find anything wrong with doing this, either. It's really like an ostrich sticking thier heads in the sand to avoid the danger of being wrong.

[SSJ2bardock]

Why don't you guys just make your own movie then, if you think you know how to do it so much better than the professionals?

Why don't the professionals create their own characters and concepts? Now if they are making a Dragonball movie because it has name vaule with the public. Why not be faithful to the source material that gave it that value?

It's not worth answering this question as the answer is quite obvious. Not only are the pro-movie people ignoring the facts with their heads in the sand, they are also taking snipes at people who are against it. they don't find anything wrong with doing this, either. It's really like an ostrich sticking thier heads in the sand to avoid the danger of being wrong.

Sorry for being an "ostrich with my head in the sand", but there isn't anything wrong with it. Just because it isn't a direct adaptation doesn't mean they're doing it "wrong". It doesn't say anywhere in the movie desciption that this is a direct, line for line, exact copy of the manga/anime into live action.

( Also, I realized half way through my post that when you said, "they don't find anything wrong with doing this" you were talking about the people who act like Naruto fans and get ultra-aggresive towards skeptics of the movie and not how they changed stuff in the movie from the original. )

[Onikage725]

Um fellow ostrich, I guess. I don't think I've sniped anybody though.

Really, we should just agree to disagree or something. For every time the anti people can cite a pro person "ignoring facts" and sniping at someone, I could show an anti going on a shit fit over the most minute things and insulting anyone who isn't against the movie.

It goes both ways.

And it really needs to stop.

It was cute back on page, like, 30. We're over 70 pages in now and the constant arguing is ridiculous.

And for the record, my official stance is EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP AND WAIT FOR A GODDAMN TRAILER.

This over-analysis of every single on-set picture or random interview is getting old.

[Kid Trunks]

For every time the anti people can cite a pro person "ignoring facts" and sniping at someone, I could show an anti going on a shit fit over the most minute things and insulting anyone who isn't against the movie.

When has that ever happened? From what I've seen, nobody has insulted anybody. What seems to happen is the "anti-movie fans" (myself included) see something about the movie (like the new book for example, or the posters) and express their dissatisfaction with it. Thats when the "pro-movie fans" split their posts apart and argue against every negative comment the person made, and then summarize with "how can you have an opinion until we at least see a trailer". But if we had a positive opinion, would we be getting told its too early for opinions? Its the "pro-movie fans" who are hounding the "anti-movie fans" to change their opinion.

[Pain]

Well, I have a feeling that when the teaser is released, it'll be pretty interesting. Even though I'm a little tired of waiting(Just ordered my Daizenshuu).

[Onikage725]

When has that ever happened? From what I've seen, nobody has insulted anybody. What seems to happen is the "anti-movie fans" (myself included) see something about the movie (like the new book for example, or the posters) and express their dissatisfaction with it. Thats when the "pro-movie fans" split their posts apart and argue against every negative comment the person made, and then summarize with "how can you have an opinion until we at least see a trailer". But if we had a positive opinion, would we be getting told its too early for opinions? Its the "pro-movie fans" who are hounding the "anti-movie fans" to change their opinion.

Trust me, it goes both ways. I'm not going to sit here and go through this whole thread or the ones before it, but it has happened plenty. Especially earlier on when next to noone was "pro." Even just above pro-movie people were, one and all, described as ostriches with their heads in the sand. A fairly wide-spreading comment for a dispute involving a handful of people. And have you forgotten back when any bit of news had guys like VegetaDTX ripping it a new asshole to the point that even most anti's were like "ok, we get it, that's enough?"

And you have to admit, a number of the complaints are stretching it. Seriously, I check this thread about once or twice a week now, and each time I think "what are we bitching about this week?"

We have stuff like "Chatwin isn't smiling in that picture!" I think that nonsense took up at least 5 pages in this thread alone. We have Piccolo complaints, even though Fox has basically kept him hidden so far. My favorites are gripes about things that HAVE to be in this movie in order for it to feel like Dragon Ball, yet they weren't even things that were in the Daimao arc to begin with. For example, a Budokai- and then when they show a Budokai arena anyway, the complaint switches to "well its inside, no good!"

And we have gripes about things that were done in other Japanese-produced Dragon Ball films that you hardly ever see anyone bring up when talking about those, but here it is the highest sacrilege to the series. These are mainly about things like character omissions or costume shuffling. Goku belongs in a school about as much as Chaozu deserves to be an emperor or Kuririn belongs in Piccolo cospay. And where WAS Vegeta in movies 10 and 11, or Piccolo in 12 while his disciples were fending off zombie Nazis and the entire DBZ rogue's gallery?

It just gets old, and people get nasty on both sides. And I'm sorry if it offends you, but yeah I think we should hold out for something concrete, like a trailer, before further complaining. Aside from that, what else constructive can anti's add? We literally get people randomly jumping into the thread just to say things along the lines of "it's confirmed this movie will 100% suck." How many times do we need to read the same opinion over and over and over?

And I'm coming at it like this mainly because of the Transformers movie. I'm not trying to start a TM debate, but I personally enjoyed that movie. It was far from perfect, but it was MUCH better than I thought it would be. I followed that movie during it's early days. I complained about the director (hoping for less Pearl Harbor and more Bad Boys), I griped about some castings, I bitched about the early script, I stewed about the "realistic" designs for the robots. I held misgivings right up until the theater, where I said aloud "if this blows chunks, at least I can put on the 80's movie when I get home to wash the stink off."

And I wound up liking the film.

And most of the things I have "issue" with on DB so far is very similar to what I was worried about with TF. I dunno if that story will end the same way, but I'm willing to admit that at this early stage we don't have much to go on, and the constant negativity is just silly.

Maybe we should do like on Gateworld's forums, and split the threads. To keep fights like this from happening, they have Pro threads for general discussion and Anti threads for complaints and misgivings.

[Herms]

Goku belongs in a school about as much as Chaozu deserves to be an emperor or Kuririn belongs in Piccolo cospay.

Changing the background of a secondary character like Chaozu is a bit different than changing the background of the main character.

[Pain]

I wonder how they'll make up for not having Tenshinhan, Kuririn and Chaozu in the movie. Maybe in the second?

[Onikage725]

Goku belongs in a school about as much as Chaozu deserves to be an emperor or Kuririn belongs in Piccolo cospay.

Changing the background of a secondary character like Chaozu is a bit different than changing the background of the main character.

Young Goku and young Kuririn are training for a Budôkai to be held in the country of Mifan. The Emperor of Mifan, Chiao-tzu, is trying to find his lost "Ran Ran." "Minister" Tsuru-Sen'nin has Pilaf work on a Dragon Rader takes it from him, and is using it to locate the Dragon Balls. Minister Tsuru-Sen'nin and T'ao Pai-pai claim that they'll use the wish from Shenlong to locate Ran Ran, but are actually planning, with Tenshinhan's help, to kill Chiao-tzu and take over the country.

Yes I totally see your point.

Seriously, this movie sounds more "faithful" than that one, but I raely ever hear an unkind word bout the old retellings.

[SSJ2bardock]

EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP AND WAIT FOR A GODDAMN TRAILER.

Fellow ostriches unite! No but really, he makes a good point.

[Herms]

Young Goku and young Kuririn are training for a Budôkai to be held in the country of Mifan. The Emperor of Mifan, Chiao-tzu, is trying to find his lost "Ran Ran." "Minister" Tsuru-Sen'nin has Pilaf work on a Dragon Rader takes it from him, and is using it to locate the Dragon Balls. Minister Tsuru-Sen'nin and T'ao Pai-pai claim that they'll use the wish from Shenlong to locate Ran Ran, but are actually planning, with Tenshinhan's help, to kill Chiao-tzu and take over the country.

Yes I totally see your point.

Seriously, this movie sounds more "faithful" than that one, but I raely ever hear an unkind word bout the old retellings.

Um, so you are saying that changing Chaozu's (and Tao Pai Pai's, and Tsuru-sennin's) is equally as big a change to the story as changing Goku's past? I like those characters and all, but they're not the central characters of DragonBall. DB movie 3 is more or less part of a series with DB movies 1 and 2, and DB movie 1 starts out with Goku living in the mountains like the original series. So in my book that makes those movies the more faithful adaptations.

And aside from that, saying "well DB movie 3 did it!" is ignoring that a large part of the problem people, including me, have with the "Goku as high school student" scenario isn't merely that it's different from the original series, but that the whole thing sounds, well, rather dumb. Chaozu as emperor of Miphan at least gave us some nifty new character designs and scenery.

[Pain]

It'd be a bummer if April 10th came and everyone walked into the first screening and the first words we see are "APRIL FOOLS!".

[SSJ2bardock]

It'd be a bummer if April 10th came and everyone walked into the first screening and the first words we see are "APRIL FOOLS!".

...9 days late!

[Xyex]

*Grand Post of Awesomeness*

Thank-you. That's basically the point I've been trying to get across since, like, page 10.

What I find really annoying, though, are things like Bardock the Mexican's post and the other 'anti-movie' people acting like the 'pro-movie' people are the ones causing the biggest fuss in the thread. Based on what I've seen, it's all quite the opposite, infact. I have not seen one person in this thread who has seriously said: "This movie will be awesome, that's a fact, anyone who disagrees is an idiot." But I have seen plenty of "This move will suck, that's 100% fact. You're stupid to think otherwise."

Really, it boils down to 4 groups. There's the "This movie has potential" group, the "Meh, I don't care" group, the "This movie doesn't appeal to me" group, and the most vocal one, the "This movie will absolutely suck without fail because it's not exactly like the series and anyone who disagrees is a retard" group.

And that's because there are 3 types of people on these boards:

1) Those open to seeing something new done with material they love because they know that it can not and will not in anyway damage the original and in fact merely offers another take and view on something that is, in itself, another take and view on something.

2) Those who don't really give a shit one way or the other because they're they also know the above but are perfectly fine with what we've already got.

3) Those who take personal offense to any changes to something they enjoy as though the movie studio just came over to their house and smacked their mother in the face.

I wonder how they'll make up for not having Tenshinhan, Kuririn and Chaozu in the movie. Maybe in the second?

I'm sure Krillin will show up in the next movie. And then he and Goku will be shown forging their friendship throughout that movie and the 3rd. Tien and Chaotzu, on the other hand, may get cut from the series as a whole. Tien's story arc is the 22nd Budokai and early King Piccolo stuff. Following that he's simply cannon foder in terms of plot progress. Chaotzu's just along for the ride. So for the sake of keeping the cast size down they could likely not make the movies. Sad, but understandable. It's the same reason other major characters from X-Men didn't make it into those movies (like Gambit).

EDIT: I really need to re-read stuff before I hit post. x.x

[Pain]

It'd be a bummer if April 10th came and everyone walked into the first screening and the first words we see are "APRIL FOOLS!".

...9 days late!

That's the irony of it all.

[MyVisionity]

I mean, if they wanna be all "hip to today's teens"; that whole arc has what their "jones'n" for.

-boy in high school (with secret powers, OoooOOooh ) (Gohan)
-the love interest (Videl)
-the mutual female friend (Erasa)
-the rival for the love interest's affections (Sharpner)


So, why...why pick Goku instead if they clearly want Gohan?

Because Goku is the lead character in the series. Gohan's high school story has a convenient concept the movie can put to use, so they did. It doesn't mean that Goku can't be Goku, or that it isn't a Dragon Ball movie. Again this isn't something like Superman or Batman, where the origins are iconic. Also, remember that Gohan was living in the mountains at the time he started school. Sure he wasn't uneducated like Goku, but it's something they can work with.

[Chuquita]

I mean, if they wanna be all "hip to today's teens"; that whole arc has what their "jones'n" for.

-boy in high school (with secret powers, OoooOOooh ) (Gohan)
-the love interest (Videl)
-the mutual female friend (Erasa)
-the rival for the love interest's affections (Sharpner)


So, why...why pick Goku instead if they clearly want Gohan?

Because Goku is the lead character in the series. Gohan's high school story has a convenient concept the movie can put to use, so they did. It doesn't mean that Goku can't be Goku, or that it isn't a Dragon Ball movie. Again this isn't something like Superman or Batman, where the origins are iconic. Also, remember that Gohan was living in the mountains at the time he started school. Sure he wasn't uneducated like Goku, but it's something they can work with.

I hear ya, I do; but it's the whole "nurture vs nature" thing. Logically, if you alter someone's upbringing, a part of their personality will change. Not all their aspects of course, but unless they ignore that (and I hope they do) and keep Goku's personality in tact regardless, he won't be Goku.


It's like....take the whole first half of the saiyajin arc. We have Goku's brother, who, like Goku, loves to fight and has a drive to do so. BUT, because Raditz was raised differently and didn't grow up on earth around people who cared for him but under Freeza's rule, he's obviously going to be a more ruthless person.
If Raditz had been raised under Goku's conditions, his personality would be different.
Just as Goku, if in Raditz's or Vegeta's upbringing, would be different as well. His genetic personality traits would be the same, but that's about it. But his morals will change.


I don't want to see a Goku who wants to "fit in" or is "whiny" or "romantic". Because that's just not who he is.

[Chrono Trigger]

Chuquita said: I don't want to see a Goku who wants to "fit in" or is "whiny" or "romantic". Because that's just not who he is.

Is that how they are trying to portray him in the film ? Or is that how you think they're gonna portray him because of the High School setting ? The very same High School setting that isn't the focus of the whole story ?

[Victator Supreme]

We have Piccolo complaints, even though Fox has basically kept him hidden so far.

Thats what you call a reall huge warning sign. Just like a movie not being screened for critics. The last time I remember a main character in a movie being kept so secret was the 98 Godzilla.