So, who exactly are "Them"? Well, it's easier to show than to explain. I got this first one through PM on YouTube yesterday and the second about an hour ago as a response to my reply to them.
I'll give you forewarning now, this is a long and painful read, for more reasons than one. Those with weak stomachs or little time may want to just skim these two quote boxes.
And the second one, which is even longer and more painful:YouTube PM from one of THEM wrote:Your power level list sucks,lol,and your brainless assumptions are the biggest biased crap i've ever seen,lol,tenshinhan weaker than freeza,lol.
What a fucking dumbass,and piccolo in namek was stronger than nail
fucking retard; 6 fucking days=decades on king kai planet,daizenshuu states that Tenshinhan needed to have a pl way above 3 millions to perform shin kikoho.
And Ginyu wasn't the second-strongest being in the universe fucking retard..Are you fucking retarded??lol
Freeza's father,King Cold,Pui Pui,Yakon,etc ,all of them were stronger
than ginyu fucking retard.
Bhurta also said he was the fastest guy in the universe.But at the time goku, ginyu and freeza were faster than Bhurta.
Now, do you realize how stupid you are?lol
Do you have any idea how a script works?
Of course not,you are a fucking biased retard.
Ginyu powerlevel was great in namek,because
Toriyama was hyping ginyu force and ginyu to show how great goku was at the time,it is a regular basic script technique used by writers,specially in the japanese mangas.
What do you expect?
Toriyama saying"Ginyu and ginyu force are fucking weaklings
and goku the main character defeated a bunch of weaklings.
No,fucking retard,the creator has to show goku's greatness
in that moment.
In fact, ginyu force was great in Namek saga,But after freeza's battle,
all of them are old news except Freeza(former main villain).
If ginyu power level is so relevant, tell me why nobody
speaks about him?
No one talks about ginyu,because his pl in cell saga is ridiculous for a z-senshi.
ex:
When krillin is flying with gohan piccolo and goku,he says how worried he is with this battle,
because he isn't a ssj.
Why not, "i couldn't even surpass the all time great ginyu,lol,why do you think i'm worried dumbass?".
Ginyu is not mentioned for the rest of the story obviously, because his pl was ridiculous for everyone in the remaining sagas.
Ginyu isn't a reference for nothing,after namek,so if he isn't a reference in the fucking manga,
you can't use him as a reference fucking dumbass.
Simply their Power levels became obsolete,it is a basic script technique.I mean sayan saga has 3 major characters,raditz nappa and vegeta.
Z- senshi surpassed easily raditz in a couple months.Later in the next saga all of them surpassed nappa and vegeta powerlevel from the previous saga easily.So for the android saga Piccolo's improvement and tenshinhan's kikoho
among other things show us that the logic remains.
This usually happens in japanese manga to minor villains characters,ginyu is not an exception.
There is a reason Ginyu NEVER LOST???????????
OMFG are you fucking retarded,lol.
Ginyu lost before dumbass,Ginyu had a technique who allows him to switch bodies,and that wasn't his original body,because when ginyu decides to use
the body change,jeice recognizes the technique which means it isn't the first time ginyu used that technique,plus the daizenshuu tell us that ginyu's original body isn't the one presented in the manga.
Even if that isn't the case,are you saying that ginyu could defeat King Cold Yakon,Pui Pui,lol.As the characters progress their power grows higher, faster.Goku statement means nothing,because manga prove us that they progressed faster,piccolo became stronger than a sayajin in the earth.Tenshinhan progressed more in 6 months then goku in 8 years,but you are too biased and retarded to understand basic script techniques too bad for you,lol.
Do you like getting thoroughly humiliated with your brainless biased assumptions????
You just keep getting clapped down. Anything else you want me to destruct just tell me fucking idiot.
Well, there they are. To be honest, I've not even read all of the second one. I got through about a quarter of it, maybe, but stopped because my sides were starting to hurt from lauging. Yes, I was actually physically laughing. I chuckled a little at the first but the second was just so poorly done (so much of the infromation, including 'quotes' from my reply, was blatantly wrong) I couldn't help it.YouTube PM from one of THEM wrote:Look at your ugly face in the mirror and you will find out that you are
the dumbest person on Earth,lol.What a fuck is wow fucking angle,someone is fucking your ass,lol
It is stated that Piccolo is stronger than Nail,buy a fucking brain fucking dumbass.
After the training during 6 days(decades) with kaioh or king kai piccolo achieved a power level around 70.000,but it is safe to assume piccolo's power level was bigger than 42.000(Nail's power level.
Why?
1-Nail wouldn't be impressed with piccolo's power if he was a weakling, and he wouldn't go to help Gohan and Krillin to battle Frieza if he was weaker than them
2-It is a plot requirement.
Everytime Z-heroes train to fight they gain huge boosts.
Ex:goku trained 8 years under kami training system and in dragon ball he only managed to come from 260 to 416 even after 1 month in the hiperbolic chamber,however,in a few months tenshinhan piccolo and others came from the low hundreds,206;350;408 to near 2.000.
This is stated in the manga 158 days on Kaiô-sama's planet=thousands years of training on Earth.
excellent the fucking anglo answered ahahahahah.
You are a fucking loser and a brainless retard.
Please dumbass do not use your fucking brainless assumption
about average namek had 3.000,you were the one who believed goku ssj 15 millions you are a fucking joke.
Your pl do not count daizenshuu are the real ones fucking dumbass.Some fucking dumbasses like you
will say "goku a sayajin only managed to achieve 8.000 before.
Yes,but the same goku after 8 years on earth and 1 month in the hiperbolic chamber only managed to improve a few hundreds(260 to 416),so if you apply the same principle,
6 days in king kai planet correspond to several decades on earth which means that if they improved more than 1 thousand units in a few months, now in more time(6 days on king kai planet correspond to decades),the Z- heroes will improve in thousands,that's why z-warriors
achieved power levels above Nail.Get it.In dbz power levels grow faster and faster for everyone regardless how they train.
This is stated in Daizenshuu 4 written by Toriyama's staff under his supervision and orders.
Your fucking brainless statement-What exactly is Nail going to say? You're weak, don't go to the battle?
Answer:Yes fucking dumbass,nobody is going to say wow how powerfull you are with a stupid 10.000 power level
Your fucking brainless statement:But he made it clear he would've been no match for Freeza. Piccolo was weaker then 10,000 when he arrived, and he's not going to get above that by a lot with six days of training in 10x gravity. It's not like Piccolo's just going to be wished back then not go to the battle. That defeats the purpose of being wished back kind of.
Answer:Of course piccolo would've been no match for Freeza fucking dumbass,Piccolo had a power level around 70.000 and base Freeza 530.000 so how is he going to be able to defeat Freeza.
Besides,Piccolo was training in 1g and then in 6 days mastered 10g, and Goku was training in 10g and then in 6 days mastered 100g. Plus, you can't relay on gravity since Akira is shown to suck when it comes to it ex: in dragon ball kid goku could lift a car easily,in the training for the 25 Tenkaichi Budokai goku had to transform in super sayajin to lift 40 tons,worse kid trunks training under gravity was slightly stronger than kid goten 1 year younger and goten never trained under gravity. The plot is what matters.
Goku got that stronger, not because of 100g, but because of the plot.
Actually it would be better for Nail to say that Piccolo was a weakling, then he would give better reason to Piccolo to fuse with him. Nail's statment tells us that Piccolo is around his or even higher power level.
Plus Piccolo's needed for dragonballs, so he wouldn't just go in there if he's weaker than Gohan and Krillin.And Akira has to keep the ranking power level between the Z- warriors which means
everyone in king kai planet got a boost to keep the previous ranking,
So in that moment Piccolo and Tenshinhan were again stronger than krillin,
otherwise it would be mentioned in the manga.
What's the point of going in the battle if you'll only be a burden for others since you can't do anything.
Also it would be extremely stupid of Piccolo to think that he can beat Frieza who's said to be A LOT stronger than Vegeta was on Earth.
Using logic Goku should be far weaker than 90,000, but the plot needed him to be that strong. Goku trained in same gravity difference for months and got only 20 times stronger, and then after 6 days he gets 11.2 times stronger. Where is the logic there???
Its illogical that you get your power increased more than 33 times after an hour but it happens if the plot asks for it.
Piccolo felt Freeza' s power at the moment he arrived on Namek, which equals power Frieza used to mangle Nail. Piccolo can evaluate ki easily.
Even though he sensed his power, he thought he could fight him, until Nail said that the only way to beat him is fusion with Kami(or later him), since Frieza only used small portion of his power against Nail, and Nail knew about Frieza's true power, and how much Frieza is stronger than him(530,000, compared to Nail's 42,000).
Piccolo thought that he could fight Frieza until Nail said otherwise. Frieza certainly was much much over 9,000 at that moment fucking dumbass.
Goku got his power increased more than 33 times after an hour. IMPOSSIBLE according with you!!!Don't come with your fucking nonsense about zenkai.
It isn't stated that he got zenkais so fuck you loser
Goku got his power increased 20x after mastering king kai's planet. The only difference is that Piccolo did it in 6 days(decades
in the earth where he increased around 700% in a few months and goku almost nothing before in 8 years under namek training system learn some math idiot)
no matter how it may seem impossible, Piccolo isn't a moron like you. As Gohan said he knows his opponents strength. He wouldn't think that he can fight Frieza if he was more than 1.15x weaker than his present power, and there is the fact that Nail was impressed and said that Piccolo cant do anything, not coz of Frieza's present, but because of his full power, the one Frieza only showed to Nail.
Piccolo is shown to gain very high increases on small gravity. He gained MUCH bigger increase in android saga than Vegeta who was pushing himself to his limit and beyond, trained in 300g(maybe even had zenkais), while Piccolo was training in 1g and fought like a super sayajin stated by krillin in the fucking manga fucking dumbass
which means piccolo was around 150.000.000 under gravity 1 dumbass.
So the logic that Piccolo couldn't be at 70,000, because of training is WRONG. We don't know nothing about his training after all, except all Z fighters on King Kai's planet said to Goku that they are going to train harder than him.
I stick to his and Nail's conversation where we see that:
Piccolo increased his power like 1.2x over 5 years before Raditz so his increase in android saga is 1.12x
your retarded assumption: Do you believe 1/5 of that increase while training by himself in only 10x gravity in six days?
Answer:Fucking dumbass,are you fucking retarded?
Decades not days asshole
Why the fuck do you compare those trainings. I just used one to prove that high increases on low gravity are possible if the plot calls for it. Goku got like 11x increase after 6days at 100g. So by you Vegeta should have got 2007,5x stronger after 1095 days(even higher since he was on 300g ). See how dumb is to compare those times?
The plot did ask for it, since Piccolo thought he could fight Frieza and he felt his chi until Nail said opposite, since Piccolo didn't have a clue about Frieza's true power, and Nail knew about it, since Frieza told him about his 530,000.
Question:How could piccolo improve so much from a whopping 6 days meditation?
not 6 days asshole decades,lol,i hope you can put this information in your brainless head
Just because he was meditating for brief moment, doesn't mean that he was meditating all time. He probably just mentally started to prepare for real stuff.
In the original manga Piccolo is shown meditating,tenshinhan is throwing punches and Yamcha is shown chasing Bubbles which means Piccolo and Tenshinhan already caught bubbles and gregory and increased their speed and power .
Piccolo was surprised and shocked when Nail told him that he couldn't fight Frieza without fusion?
Frieza against Nail was over 42,000, and when he started powering up his power increased even further, but Piccolo still thought that he can fight him, until Nail said that Frieza was in fact using small portion of his power. it's not serious to put Piccolo less than 70,000 unless you are a fucking moron.
well you are a fucking moron,lol
why would a guy with 5,000 had any sort of confidence of beating
Frieza, before and after seeing his power.
again you take shit out of your ass like saying that piccolo wants to fight in every situation
Answer:Fucking dumbass Piccolo seemed fine with not bothering 17 and 18 until he fused with Kami.
There is a huge difference between going to a fight (like against Cell post rosat), and thinking you can actually fight him. Piccolo didn't think he can do anything against Cell as he said so.
Piccolo knew that he doesn't stand a chance against Cell, and he went to the Cell games, but he NEVER said that he could do anything to Cell(that he could fight him). As a matter of fact he said himself that he cant do anything.
If Piccolo was weaker than Frieza, then he would think in similar way as he did in Cell games(Even though I've powered much from King Kai's I still cant do anything). However, we know that he actually thought that he CAN fight him, until Nail told him that he doesn't know his true power, and the only solution is fusion.
The logic makes perfectly sense. Piccolo would have to be a total idiot to think he can fight someone who's not around his level.
This was Toei animation interpretation and that is the reason why tenshinhan and the others defeat ginyu force in king kai planet.
Nail also said to Piccolo "what kind of discipline did you follow?
You are so powerfull"
A guy with 42.000 is not going to say you are so powerfull with 10.000 what kind of training did you do,lol.Finally everytime someone said what kind of training did you do?You are so powerfull,the result was always an impressive huge increase who allowed the other person to achieve a greater power,others characters said similar things when goku came to save them after a training and krillin said exactly the same thing when piccolo fought against c-20. Krillin:"Wow he's(Piccolo) strong, and he's not even a Super Saiyan"
Ginyu *is* the second strongest is a fucking hype fucking retard.
You write ahahahahhhhahhahahahahahahah,you are a fucking joke a retarded fanboy.
I saw your brainless fanfics what a piece of shit,lol.
Wake up you are a fucking loser neon z humiliated you before you are a fucking joke.
Yes,ginyu lost dumbass it is stated in daizenshu 7 but you are a fucking angle and you don't have it.
I love your pl for pui pui fucking dumbass 2 million ahahahahahahha
you are a fucking joke kaiohshin a god who could kill freeza with a fucking blow (and he also said freeza wasnn't nothing )was
scared with pui pui power.
wake up son of a bitch your brainless pl are only valid in your sick retarded mind,lol.
freeza said king cold gave him serious trouble in a fight(stated in the fucking daizenshuu owned again fucking ignorant) and
why do you think he came to the earth with freeza dumbass coz he was very powerfull.
At the time no one could defeat king cold asshole and vegeta and piccolo were stronger than ginyu.
I love it owned again fucking dumbass,lol.
Burter was the fastest around *for his powerlevel*.ahahahahaha
again where his the part for his powerlevel???In your fucking fag ass,lol.
No the situation is exactly the same for ginyu.
a fucking basic script technique to hype the character at that moment but you are too brainless to understand.
after all in your pathetic pl list goku ssj 15 millions,lol.
objectively,lol,you don't know what is that fucking biased loser,lol.
Your brainless excuses are always stupid
Only a delusional fucking retard would say that they wouldn't use ginyu to compare isntead of freeza. exactly freeza was the reference to overcome, piccolo used freeza not ginyu dumbass,humiliated again,lol,this is a blood bath,you aren't even a challenge,piccolo warned them that they should have a decent pl and piccolo surpassed freeza and it is stated fucking dumbass,krllin said "he fights like a super saya jin."
Can you read fucking illiterate?????lol Owned again you are a joke,lol
I knew you would come with the story about fucking kikoho dumbass.Destructo Disc is like a knife can cut you but doesn't have any power dumbass.
A technique introduced without any fanfare or special explanation must have the biggest power multiplier in the entirety of DB (I'm talking about the Shin Kikoho).
If his power never surpassed one million, you're talking about a single technique multiplying his power more than 10000 times (or even 10000000, if you believe that Goku didn't use Kaioken against Freeza since the beginning of the battle) to push back Cell's 2nd form against his own will.lol you are a fucking joke
Shin-kikoho is a stronger version from kikoho like super kamehameha is a stronger version from
kamehameha.
There is a relationship between kikoho and tenshinhan's power level or else he could kill nappa.
Plus Tenshinhan fired Shin-kikoho 4 times against cell.How many lifes has Tenshinhan?
4 lifes like in a videogame fucking dumbass,lol.
I repeat again,the Kikoho has also something to do with the power-levels of the user, in this case Ten Shin Han,the attack become's more powerfull during the series and tenshinhan's kikoho against cell
it's just a more powerfull Kikoho, just like the Super Kamehameha is just a stronger version of the normal Kamehameha.
To give more examples, the Kikoho that Ten Shin Han uses against Nappa when he's almost dead is stronger than the ones that he did before because he had now a higher power-level
Ten Shin Han fires 4 Shin Kikoho's in total against Cell. Kikoho's who must have a considerable power and are stronger than before. Does this mean that he has now more lifes ( like if he was in a video-game) than before? No.
It's also power-level wise.
Well, tenshinhan stopped one of Gotenks Buu attacks (and it was suppose to kill gohan) so it was not one of his weaker blasts which means the Kikoho has also something to do with the power-levels of the user, in this case Ten Shin Han.
In The Buu Saga, Buu Gotenks also mentions that tenshinhan lwas very strong and look what I did to him. This is after he beats Ten Shin Han in one single kick (and yes he survives). Tenshinhan is referred as strong by Buu.
Daizenshuu 7's battle power chart, where the figure of SSJ Goku at 150 million comes from, says that it is impossible to calculate the battle powers of Goku and all the Z-warriors after the battle with Freeza.
What daizenshuu and manga tell us about Shin kikoho?
Well,during the fight against Freeza Tenshinhan says:
"No need to worry goku wil win"
Yamcha-"what?"
Tenshinhan-"We forgot about Kaioh ken.Seeing Goku's actual strenght he can endure the use of the maximum kaioh ken:
20 times"
daizenshuu 7 tell us that goku to use kaioh ken x 20 needs a power level of 3.000.000 and also says that tenshinhan needs to have a pl above 3 millions fucking loser.
eeven if you only use the manga Tenshinhan knows the
amount of necessary ki to use kaioh ken x 20 corresponds to 3 millions and if he uses Shin Kikoho who is stronger,obviously
Tenshinhan needs to have a power level above 3 millions.
Meaning that if kaioh ken can kill you like kikoho if you don't have
a specific power level it means your body can't sustain that kind of power if you don't have a power level in the millions.
For the morons who say kikoho has no limits during the fight against buutenksccolo
Tenshinhan states that Boo's blast is too strong even for the Shin Ki-ko-ho. There is a limit to it, which kills the arguement that it multiplies his power by 7,000, lol. All the facts show that
Tenshinhan reached the millions, but the fact there's a limit to the attack (ki-ko-ho) says he was at that level.
Conclusion,Daizenshuu 7 and manga tell us that you need a minimal power level to perform
Techniques like kaioh ken or Kikoho/Shin Kikoho,
for the Kikoho...when it's introduced, Chaozu yells out he's about to use the Kikoho, and then Roshi calls it the "chi cannon" and since the universal term for the energy in the viz manga is "chi" not "ki" means that technique uses the same energy as every other attack.
And why wouldn't it? They would state something saying that he has some secret form of energy, but no such thing is stated. There's only two differences between the kikoho and the shin kikoho, it's not a new move, only a improved version in which he's able to release more than one blast before he falls, and he's able to control how much energy he puts into it. He basically took the technique and changed the rules of it. Yeah, he's that good. As the enemies got stronger, the heroes had to get stronger, thus why Tenshinhan and the others got way better results at the same training.
Super Buu (Gotenks absorbed) must be weaker than Freeza's final form.
Both noticed Dende could cure and decided to kill him with a finger beam, performing basically identical actions. Piccolo (fused with Nail) was unable to do anything to stop Freeza's blast, but Tenshinhan stopped Buu's, so, considering how Piccolo had a power level around one million at the time and Tenshinhan's must be lower, Super Buu must be weaker than Freeza,lol. Plus,buutenks call tenshinhan pretty strong.Buutenks aimed to dende but gohan was scared with the energy blast
because the energy blast was powerfull.
Question: Dende created the current set of Dragonballs. The population of Earth was currently dead. Dead Dende = no more Dragonballs. No more Dragonballs = Earth population stays dead. (It's not like Gohan would have had any way of getting to Namek, you know.) So, yeah, he's going to be scared. He want's to be able to bring everyone back after Buu's defeated.
Answer:Are you fucking retarded????Gohan is not going to be scared with a weak blast,because he could avoid the blast easily which means he is not going to be scared with an insignificant blast.And buutenks knew gohan could avoid a weak blast,fucking retard.
dum retarded assumption by stupid xyex:Buu didn't know Tenshinhan was there and Buu didn't necessarily fire a very strong or very fast attack at Dende.
what makes you think Dende had any chance at all of avoiding that attack. He had NO CHANCE IN HELL.
It's like saying Mr. Satan could dodge Freeza's Death Beam or something, it just wouldn't happen, as the beam would travel so fast he couldn't even see it
.
Answer:Fucking retard, the speed of the attack wouldn't change due to Tenshinhan's position.
The energy blast had to be strong/fast enough to not be easily stopped by Gohan from a bad position,dumbass. There's no reason he'd randomly hold back. He wasn't just randomly killing two weaklings, he was doing it to stop Gohan from recovering energy yet again.
Piccolo didn't see Freeza's attack but Tenshinhan was able to see Buu's, that's the difference dumbass.
But we can see other facts too:
-Even if you use math tenshinhan would have several millions easily.
-Daizenhuu 7 tell us you need to have a power level above 3 millions to perform Shin Kikoho
-A fighter bellow 1 million is not going to survive a kick from buutensksccolo
Nappa almost killed krillin with a single kick and the difference was only in a few thousands.The result should be instant death.Remember what kaioshin said about freeza.
Kaiohshin said he could kill freeza with a single blow without effort,super moron.
I know you will come with the crap.
tenshinhan is human.
Wrong fucking retard,tenshinhan is a fucking mitsume jin stated in daizenshuu 7
And don't come with the brainless bullshit buu called him pretty strong because most of the humans were at pls of around 5-7. If some human at 100,000 comes along, obviously you're going to be pretty surprised.
Answer:Reeccom said he should control himself more then that means he put some power behind the kick,but not full power.
About buutenks,sorry but at the time buutenks=piccolo knowledge about z-senshi power so that retarded assumption doesn´t work.
Why do you insist about that 100.000 bullshit,fucking fanatic
when that power level isn't mentioned ever in the fucking manga or Daizenshuu as something amazing,after namek saga.
Are you fucking retarded??????lol
i can predict your dimb assumptions just watch,lol
your Dumb statement:Just because he absorbed Piccolo, doesn't give him all of his knowledge
Answer:
Yes,it gives him all of his knowledge and brilliant mind(one of the reasons why super buu absorbed Piccolo was due to his brilliant mind).
During the fight against mystic gohan buutenksccolo tells us several details about piccolo techniques and how piccolo taught gohan in the past.
Again it is stated.
Buutenks is surprised when tenshinhan deflects the energy blast due to the fact that he has piccolo knowledge about tenshinhan power level and that shows how much he improved in those 7 years..
Anyway a guy with piccolo's brains is not going to call a guy bellow i million,pretty strong and even a weak blast made by someone like buutenks is very powerfull.
But we already know the blast was strong,because gohan was there.
And after that buutenks says even a kick given to a guy like tenshinhan was enough to ko him easily.
Ginyu pl isn't even a consideration in buu's saga or any other after namek,so give up with that dumb theories.
More:
- Goku was willing to fusion with Tenshinhan
Goku would have refused to fusion with him unless he was in his millions, if not Goku would have douted the idea like he did with Mr. Satan.
Owned like a bitch again,lol,what a bloodbath
-No one is going to invite a fighter to train in the rosat(hyperbolic chamber)
if you are bellow millions.
Dumb statement:Tenshinhan + Tri-beam = helpful. Current situation = bad. Helpful = good. Besides, they had 10 days. It's not like there wouldn't be leftover time where none of the more useful fighters could enter the RoSaT anymore. May as well send in as many as possible, cross your fingers, and hope for a miracle.
Answer:Do you like getting thoroughly humiliated with your brainless biased assumptions????
It is a shame that at the time tenshinhan didn't say something like"sorry piccolo but my shin kikouhou will not be useful. Cross your fingers???What kind of bullshit is this?
You are claiming Tenshinhan has 50.000,there is no miracle who can help Tenshinhan.
Actually, Tenshinhan refused the invitation,because he couldn't surpass Perfect Cell,
(Perfect Cell not ginyu dumbass) in 2
days or 2years-stated in the manga.
Why not a line like"are you crazy what i'm going to do with a pl. of 50.000 or i couldnt' surpass freeza first from why the hell did you invite me to train.
It makes more sense and it is the only possibility here.
Why did he use cell's name?Why not the great ginyu,dumbass.
The only thing eventually unattainable for Tenshinhan was Perfect Cell power.
That's why Tenshinhan says in the fucking manga..."I won't be ready to beat Cell".
You see, the only power level who can be unattainable for Tenshinhan is Cell's power.
Again you show your fucking ignorance about dragon ball part 1 the basis to understand dragon ball Z.
Training with a master under special conditions and then following with their own regiment to improve even more was a standard repeated several times through Dragonball fucking dumbass.
Roshi tells Goku that traveling around the world was the best training he could get, Goku does the same after training an undetermined amount of time with Kamisama, the earthlings do the same with Karin and later Kamisama too... There's no reason to assume that Kaio's training was suddenly an unreachable peak that couldn't be improved through a personal regiment, unlike every other training in the series up to that point.In the end they all started training on their own because they already learnt what they have to do from their different masters.The official information
says that tenshinhan was way above 3 millions fucking loser you
are a fucking joke.
just follows the same logic used in the previous trainings made by Z-heroes with Kame Sennin Karin or Kami,all of them are amazing,but after some time the heroes improve even more by themselves.
Their trainings are great until they can teach them something new,when they
can't teach them more new things those trainings aren't so effective anymore
ex:When kami taught them everything he said..."Now you can go and train by yourselves,it is the best thing to do...".
Again,following with their own regiment to improve even more what they already learnt was a standard repeated several times through Dragonball.
That is the rule we must apply for the rest of the show and not random brainless theories.
Plus,Goku and Vegeta did better with their gravity training, and we don't really know what kind of training ten shin han did. Obviously, whatever kind of training he did, was good if he could stop second form cell like that even when Piccolo fused with kami couldn't stop 1st form cell.s there a quote somewhere in the manga,daizenshuu or anime that Gravity training is the only way to increase your power once you hit the 10,000's?
10x gravity is good training, Tenshinhan got a huge boost from that, bigger than Goku's, just like he got a WAY bigger boost than Goku from his training with Kami. Anyhow, training under anything less then times gravity would be ineffective correct? That's common sense, BUT common sense is thrown out the window when Goku and the others train for the androids on Earth under normal gravity, and get MUCH stronger by the time the androids come,
everyone increases faster and faster regardless how they train,that is the logic in dragon ball proved by what happened in the training for the sayans.Plus Vegeta training in 300 gravity for 3 years and then in just a few months in the ROSAT(hyperbolic chamber) he got an even greater boost....
Toriyama didn't care about that. He just put the characters at certain levels when he needed them.
Anyway,everyone knows about gravity,these guys are smart enough to train in different ways.
They always trained in the earth before and the gains were always amazing,besides their progression changes.
In dbz the power increase becomes faster and faster regardless how they train.
Goten was close to trunks without gravity.
Goku ignored gravity after namek.And goku is a smart fighter.
Fanboys who use the gravity as an excuse are fucking retarded,let's add the fact that goku didn't use gravity anymore after namek or that goten was close to trunks and trunks trained on gravity.
The Piccolo improvement for the android saga disproves that Gravity is the main influence on Power Gain.
Actually in the past against sayans all the Z-warriors managed to made such incredible progresses,the same happens
for the android saga,because everytime,Z-warriors train to a big battle,their pl's increase a lot.
Just so no one uses that excuse about gravity. Tien can split form, and train against himself. Don't underestimate Training against an equal partner.
About the gravity chamber It is the same gravity chamber who didn't help much trunks to beat goten or helped vegeta to surpass goku?
I guess not dumbass.-No one is going to invite a fighter to train in the rosat(hyperbolic chamber)
if you are bellow millions.
Dumb statement:Tenshinhan + Tri-beam = helpful. Current situation = bad. Helpful = good. Besides, they had 10 days. It's not like there wouldn't be leftover time where none of the more useful fighters could enter the RoSaT anymore. May as well send in as many as possible, cross your fingers, and hope for a miracle.
Answer:Do you like getting thoroughly humiliated with your brainless biased assumptions????
It is a shame that at the time tenshinhan didn't say something like"sorry piccolo but my shin kikouhou will not be useful. Cross your fingers???What kind of bullshit is this?
You are claiming Tenshinhan has 50.000,there is no miracle who can help Tenshinhan.
Actually, Tenshinhan refused the invitation,because he couldn't surpass Perfect Cell,
(Perfect Cell not ginyu dumbass) in 2
days or 2years-stated in the manga.
Why not a line like"are you crazy what i'm going to do with a pl. of 50.000 or i couldnt' surpass freeza first from why the hell did you invite me to train.
It makes more sense and it is the only possibility here.
Why did he use cell's name?Why not the great ginyu,dumbass.
The only thing eventually unattainable for Tenshinhan was Perfect Cell power.
That's why Tenshinhan says in the fucking manga..."I won't be ready to beat Cell".
You see, the only power level who can be unattainable for Tenshinhan is Cell's power.
you are not a writer,lol you are a fucking fanboy a fucking loser who spends his time speaking about dragon ball in dbz forums,lol.
People are tired to read your nonsense.My englis is great for a 3 language i'm not a fucking angle i don't need to speak englis retard,my main language is french and i speak spanish too.
You are just a fucking illiterate angle who speaks your native language.
You don't use logic but retarde logic now run like a scared bitch,lol
You just keep getting clapped down. Anything else you want me to destruct fucking asshole ignorant dumb lretard???
keep digging your grave deeper!!!!!!! After getting bludgeoned for the umpteenth time this is all you have?????
you aren't even a fucking challenge.
Keep coming and i will destroy you even more asshole,lol
But enough of that, I didn't post these to make fun of or bash the person in question. I wanted examples. Detailed and in depth examples of what I'm talking about. It's just everything in the above. The made-up information, the horrible grammar, the constant use of "lol" and the constant swearing (Ok, even I fall into that on occasion. And I swore in my replies to him/her a few times because... well, let's not go there, don't want this thread to devolve into that sort of thing before the end of the first post).
So yeah, what is it about the series or the fandom or whatever it is that draws these kinds of people that, you know, draws these kinds of peope? Why are there so many people in the DB fandom? This is just the most recent example. There's that initial Daizenshuu buisness too. I really don't get it. I don't get why there's so many of them in the general DB fandom and I don't get why they exist at all.
So this isn't so just 'why are there so many that are fans of DB' thread, it's also a 'Why do they exist at all?' thread. What is it about the series that brings so many of them in and why the hell would someone feel the need to write out such long messages (that second one had to take quite a while to type out) full of fake information, E-dick waving, and so on?
I think the perfect response to a post like those is the following:
