Why does Dragonball attract so many of... "Them"?

[Herms]

Also, how did you guys manage to drag Funimation into this, I didn't even think it was possible but you guys are getting creative with your Funimation hate. I think you've actually ascended to Super Hater 2. :lol:

Seriously though, Funimation isn't the anti-christ and we can't blame all the problems on them.

Well, I think Onikage and Kunzait explained pretty clearly their views on how the way DragonBall was released in English affected the fandom, so do you have anything specific to say to that?

[Forgotten Hero]

The best thing to do is to pop open a bottle of tab, and enjoy the circus of idiocy.

I would be able to enjoy the circus if these idiots didn't represent the fanbase.

I think I said something similar in my post. That's where the problem comes with these people, they aren't the minority, these people are
representing our fanbase! and that is a huge problem.

Also, how did you guys manage to drag Funimation into this, I didn't even think it was possible but you guys are getting creative with your Funimation hate. I think you've actually ascended to Super Hater 2.

Seriously though, Funimation isn't the anti-christ and we can't blame all the problems on them.

They represent the dub, we do not. But you are right, people mistake us for them and thus we get the bad end of the stick...

Plus, Funimation isn't that bad. Most of us wouldn't have gotten into, or in my case back into, DBZ if it wasn't for Funimation. We all have issues with them, but it isn't like they re-release DBZ five times like EVA.

[SSJ2bardock]

Also, how did you guys manage to drag Funimation into this, I didn't even think it was possible but you guys are getting creative with your Funimation hate. I think you've actually ascended to Super Hater 2.

Seriously though, Funimation isn't the anti-christ and we can't blame all the problems on them.

Well, I think Onikage and Kunzait explained pretty clearly their views on how the way DragonBall was released in English affected the fandom, so do you have anything specific to say to that?

I could have worded my post better. I knew from past posts that neither of them like Funimation and I was just kind of getting a laugh out of the skill they have when it comes to ripping on Funimation. So, I wasn't disagreeing with what they said, on the contrary, they made some very good point and I think Funimation has contributed to the fanboys being around in such large numbers. Sorry for any confusion, but I was only making a joke.

[Onikage725]

The best thing to do is to pop open a bottle of tab, and enjoy the circus of idiocy.

I would be able to enjoy the circus if these idiots didn't represent the fanbase.

I think I said something similar in my post. That's where the problem comes with these people, they aren't the minority, these people are
representing our fanbase! and that is a huge problem.

Also, how did you guys manage to drag Funimation into this, I didn't even think it was possible but you guys are getting creative with your Funimation hate. I think you've actually ascended to Super Hater 2.

Seriously though, Funimation isn't the anti-christ and we can't blame all the problems on them.

Well, just to clarify, I'm referring to the manner in which the series was released. I'm not taking a moral position against the company that released it. Outside of most DB products, I have nothing but love for them. My point is that Dragon Ball has an erratic history over here, and that aside from an obscure run of the Pilaf Saga, US fans had to jump in with Z- missing an entire series beforehand. It's kinda like picking up the 90's X-Men reboot with no prior knowledge of Uncanny X-Men. The whole part where Magneto is thinking about how he isn't trying to be a bad guy but he knows why Cyclops won't believe him, yet he's surprised that Wolverine tried to kill him, is lost on you. All you're likely to focus on is the cool fighting- you miss the story going on around it, and the backstory that is fueling it.

[Raki]

The best thing to do is to pop open a bottle of tab, and enjoy the circus of idiocy.

I would be able to enjoy the circus if these idiots didn't represent the fanbase.

I think I said something similar in my post. That's where the problem comes with these people, they aren't the minority, these people are
representing our fanbase! and that is a huge problem.

Also, how did you guys manage to drag Funimation into this, I didn't even think it was possible but you guys are getting creative with your Funimation hate. I think you've actually ascended to Super Hater 2.

Seriously though, Funimation isn't the anti-christ and we can't blame all the problems on them.

These idiots identify and cite Funimation's dub as "proof" for their wild as fuck claims. Funimation made the dub, so they kinda are part to blame. Had Funimation marketed Dragonball(Z) correctly, these idiots wouldn't be who people outside the fandom recognize as Dragonball fans.

They represent the dub, we do not. But you are right, people mistake us for them and thus we get the bad end of the stick...

Plus, Funimation isn't that bad. Most of us wouldn't have gotten into, or in my case back into, DBZ if it wasn't for Funimation. We all have issues with them, but it isn't like they re-release DBZ five times like EVA.

Every time ADV re-released Eva, there was something different in each re-release. They even got the Japanese remastered footage for the Platinium collection. Funimation decided to not to do anything special.

[Forgotten Hero]

All the re-release sucked except for the Platinum. They also suffered some film issues like the DBZ remasters.

[Xyex]

Super Buu (Gotenks absorbed) must be weaker than Freeza's final form.

Huh?

He was making a point towards Tien's power, I think. Basically a "Piccolo was weaker than Freeza and didn't see the Death Beam that killed Dende. Tien saw and deflected Super Buu2's blast that almost killed Dende so I guess if Tien's weaker than Freeza then so is Super Buu2" type deal. In otherwords, since Tien deflected Super Buu2's blast he must be at least as close in power to Super Buu2 as Vegeta was to 4th Form Freeza, by that statment.

Of course, this idea blatantly ignores the fact that Tien would then have to be around Mystic Gohan's level of power.

This is actually a pretty good point that I wish more fans would keep in mind. DragonBall wasn't made as some sort of elaborate RPG.

Oh, it's true, but there is still some level of internal consistancy with the story. I mean, aside from Goku and Vegeta's uber Zenkais post Ginyu, Piccolo's apparent post King Kai gain, and Piccolo's post Freeza gain, the gains in power made throughout the series are all fairly reasonable. Those are just instances of "Crap, they need more power. Well, fine, here I'll give them more." And in all three cases, while they're a bit out of line with other gains seen, they're not entirely 'rule breaking'.

As you'd probably guess, none of the above statements are true.

Haha, I'd figured as much.

This illustrates one of those things I don't get. Those statements and the 70,000 PL number he gave for Piccolo post King Kai. Why do people try to make up information and present it as fact on things like this? I mean, I know why they come up with ideas for some things, it's just the way fandoms go. But when they start presenting it as fact and even offer 'sources' for this information is when I have trouble following the thought processes involved.

Especially for statements like those ones. With the "Initial Daizenshuu" nonsense there's at least the matter of them being in denial about having been wrong for so long and thus wanting to reinvent the fundamentals of the series so as to still be right. But just making up random information simply for the hell of it?

[Kid Trunks]

These idiots identify and cite Funimation's dub as "proof" for their wild as fuck claims. Funimation made the dub, so they kinda are part to blame. Had Funimation marketed Dragonball(Z) correctly, these idiots wouldn't be who people outside the fandom recognize as Dragonball fans.

No. Funi aren't to blame. Maybe their dub sucks. But you can't blame them when idiots take it and run with. Not that the Funi dub is even that bad (but thats whole other debate).

[Raki]

All the re-release sucked except for the Platinum. They also suffered some film issues like the DBZ remasters.

Eva had 3 releases if I recall correctly. The first was the VHS release, then the DVD single release. The VHS and DVD singles both saw boxsets. The Platinum is last I believe. From what I understand the older releases were so so visually, and the Platinium release was a step up.

My Platinum Eva sets don't have missing lines,bleached out colors, or a cropped widescreen picture. So no, they don't suffer from the same film issues as the DBZ sets do.

[Forgotten Hero]

Super Buu (Gotenks absorbed) must be weaker than Freeza's final form.

Huh?

He was making a point towards Tenshinhan's power, I think. Basically a "Piccolo was weaker than Freeza and didn't see the Death Beam that killed Dende. Tenshinhan saw and deflected Super Buu2's blast that almost killed Dende so I guess if Tenshinhan's weaker than Freeza then so is Super Buu2" type deal. In otherwords, since Tenshinhan deflected Super Buu2's blast he must be at least as close in power to Super Buu2 as Vegeta was to 4th Form Freeza, by that statment.

This kid really has a funny grip on reality.

[SSJ2bardock]

Fanboy- "gokus powur levul on namek was 400000000 after he went supur sayin lol"

Sensible DB fan- "How did you come up with that number?"

Fanboy- "In a chart that I just made up for this conversation lol"

[JulieYBM]

Yeah, blame the idiots, not FUNimation. They're just making a English version, not telling them "Do this and this!"

[Forgotten Hero]

All the re-release sucked except for the Platinum. They also suffered some film issues like the DBZ remasters.

Eva had 3 releases if I recall correctly. The first was the VHS release, then the DVD single release. The VHS and DVD singles both saw boxsets. The Platinum is last I believe. From what I understand the older releases were so so visually, and the Platinium release was a step up.

My Platinum Eva sets don't have missing lines,bleached out colors, or a cropped widescreen picture. So no, they don't suffer from the same film issues as the DBZ sets do.

I know, Platinum is the best we can get for Evangelion.

No. Funi aren't to blame. Maybe their dub sucks. But you can't blame them when idiots take it and run with. Not that the Funi dub is even that bad (but thats whole other debate).

Yeah, exactly!

Fanboy- "gokus powur levul on namek was 400000000 after he went supur sayin lol"

Sensible DB fan- "How did you come up with that number?"

Fanboy- "In a chart that I just made up for this conversation lol"

lol, wow!!! Why do people make up shit that isn't close to the truth? The world will never know!

[Onikage725]

Actually I'll say one thing about the dub- the inconsistent treatment of the figures. Sometimes a number isn't given when it should be, sometimes it is rounded to the nearest whole number, sometimes changed. The series originally attempted to have some form of consistency.

Quick example- the Kaio-ken doubles it's users power as we know.

Japanese version presents us with Goku having a base of "over 8,000" during his fight with Vegeta. Vegeta, on the other hand, we are eventually told has a power of 18k. His filler scuffle on Arlia wasn't that hardcore that we should be fanwanking an extra near-death boost to try to make him more badass.

Goku doubles his power, he would be between 16k and 17k. Close enough to survive combat with a fully charged Vegeta, but not enough to launch an effective offensive.

He triples his power, shoots up to something around 24k, and he hands Vegeta his ass on a platter.

Now let's say you're watching the dub, and you accept and embrace dub data as being close enough and totally relevant.

Goku's power level is now over 9k.

He doubles his power, and he is now STRONGER than we are told Vegeta is.

So now, in order to reconcile this with the actual details of the fight, we have to start with the fan theory of how Vegeta attained an unaccounted for power boost, or how the Kaio-ken works differently than it should.

So now everyone has their own in-depth theories. And the aggressive ones are going to explain to you, in incredibly annoying terms, how much of a douchebag you are for not agreeing with them.

[Captain Awesome]

Yeah, blame the idiots, not FUNimation. They're just making a English version, not telling them "Do this and this!"

But thats the thing, they aren't just making an English version, they essentially made an entirely new show, if we had a faithful English dub, half our problems would disappear.

The fact that people have to wade through the extra bullshit caused by FUNimation's half assed "reversioning" makes it that much harder to be a Dragonball fan.

[Kid Trunks]

But thats the thing, they aren't just making an English version, they essentially made an entirely new show, if we had a faithful English dub, half our problems would disappear.

The fact that people have to wade through the extra bullshit caused by FUNimation's half assed "reversioning" makes it that much harder to be a Dragonball fan.

Thats not what we're disputing. Like we said, Funi has problems. Maybe they have left a trail of BS for people to wade through. And maybe they haven't. But either way Funi shouldn't be held accountable for the actions (such as those youtube posts for example) of assholes/idiots or whatever. And that is we're talking about here, right?

Edit: Btw, I'm not actually targeting you (Captain Awesome) or anything here just people in general.

[NeptuneKai]

I blame Funimation's "GAAAAR IF YOU WATCH THIS YOU ARE X-TREAME WWF WRESTLING MATCH ZEEEEEEE" attitude, it seems to give these assholes big heads and a "I don't watch no kiddie cartoons mother fuckers I watch the Dragonball,Don't mess with me because I'm X-treame!" mentality.

[Kid Trunks]

But if you have to be an asshole to begin with, then how can it be Funi's fault? Like if some asshole punched you because he thought you looked annoying. Does that mean thats its your fault for looking annoying? Should you be blamed for provoking the idiot?

[NeptuneKai]

But if you have to be an asshole to begin with, then how can it be Funi's fault? Like if some asshole punched you because he thought you looked annoying. Does that mean thats its your fault for looking annoying? Should you be blamed for provoking the idiot?

To be fair I don't think these kids are assholes to begin with,(despite what I had just said, it was a poor choice of words) they are just latching on to something that makes their ego grow. It's like the whole AXE body spray commercials teenagers buy that awful smelling shit so they get the ladies but it obviously doesn't work. When a zit faced dork hears Dragonball is the most "X-TREAME" cartoon ever he latches onto that notion because he thinks in turn he will become "X-treame" and walks around with that kind of attitude. Tell most dubbies Dragonball is a cartoon for 8 year olds and they will act like you just ate their first born son. WWF and the dub of Dragonball both have this kind of prominent uneducated vocal fanbase and I think this is the explanation for both fandoms.

[Kid Trunks]

To be fair I don't think these kids are assholes to begin with,(despite what I had just said, it was a poor choice of words) they are just latching on to something that makes their ego grow. It's like the whole AXE body spray commercials teenagers buy that awful smelling shit so they get the ladies but it obviously doesn't work. When a zit faced dork hears Dragonball is the most "X-TREAME" cartoon ever he latches onto that notion because he thinks in turn he will become "X-treame" and walks around with that kind of attitude. Tell most dubbies Dragonball is a cartoon for 8 year olds and they will act like you just ate their first born son. WWF and the dub of Dragonball both have this kind of prominent uneducated vocal fanbase and I think this is the explanation for both fandoms.

Oh, ok. So you think the in a way the dub and its marketing nurtures this behavior? Just checking. I'm of the opinion that you'd have to be an asshole or an idiot to begin with in order to talk the crap these people come out with.