The strength of the not-so-main fighters

[Wojak]

Seriously? I mean, fucking hell, I just DID prove to you that he sucks at it. You just fricken quoted it, for crying out loud. I'll dumb it down and explain it to you as simple as possible so that you'll have a chance to understand it.

You are not Toriyama's best friend, nor is anyone else, so cool down a little. If we knew it all it wouldn't be a debate here, right?

Not understanding something and not agreeing with something are different things.
Just because of that you give proof it doesn't mean that it's proof enough or maybe it's not proof at all.
Maybe it's proof enough for you, but not nessecarily proof enough for someone else.

What you are saying about Kaioshin is your interpretation of the story, your personal one, and others interpret the story differently, and thus, we can have a discussion.

[temujin]

Seriously? I mean, fucking hell, I just DID prove to you that he sucks at it. You just fricken quoted it, for crying out loud. I'll dumb it down and explain it to you as simple as possible so that you'll have a chance to understand it.

You are not Toriyama's best friend, nor is anyone else, so cool down a little. If we knew it all it wouldn't be a debate here, right?

Not understanding something and not agreeing with something are different things.
Just because of that you give proof it doesn't mean that it's proof enough or maybe it's not proof at all.
Maybe it's proof enough for you, but not nessecarily proof enough for someone else.

What you are saying about Kaioshin is your interpretation of the story, your personal one, and others interpret the story differently, and thus, we can have a discussion.

Wise answer.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I agree.
If kibito was close to a ssj and dabura killed him(dabura knew how strong was kibito)it makes sense that pui pui is stronger than freeza.
I wonder if dabura could see through their supressed pl's.
I mean when z-warriors faced nappa all of them were supressed and still piccolo had an higher pl so...dabura still claims that base sayajins were the stronger ones in potential which means he knew that all of them supressed their pl's.

They weren't suppressed against the Saiyans, just not battle ready. That was their ordinary power levels before they started to battle. Vegeta even said they could vary their powers in battle. It's also similiar to when Bulma scouts everyone. They proved they could suppress their power level down to zero in the namek saga, so a few sagas later, I'm sure they perfected it.

Does Babidi know how strong Kaioshin is? Babidi doesn't know how strong the "earthlings" are, but if he knows what Kaioshin can do, and that Kaioshin is a potential combatant, it would be weird for him to send a vastly inferior henchman in. I mean, if Pui Pui's power is where we basically agree it was, then the battle would have gone just as poorly if Kaioshin had stepped up to bat and thumped him once in the forehead, or if they had heeded his advice and attacked him all at once.

Well, they thought the base Saiyans would fill the other half of the tank, so I don't think Babi is the smartest guy. He knows Shin's power, and even stated he wouldn't be able to stop him like he stopped Bibidi, since he has more powerful magic, and Dabura there to stop him.

I always wondered why Shin wanted to battle Babi? He constantly called him weak, yet, he made it seem like it was going to be a difficult battle whenever he had his chance to take him on. We know his magic is stated ot overpower evil enemies, but does he have combat magic too? I never understood that part.

[Wojak]

I think Babibi's magic is kind of advanced. He managed to make a shield strong enough to protect himself from huge and powerful blasts.

I also think Kaioshin mentioned that Babibi's technique where he took over evil fighters was his most fearsome.
That may have made Kaioshin unsure about fighting Babibi as he could at any moment convert the other Z-senshi to fight alongside himself.
Kaioshin knew that Goku was purehearted, and probably also about Piccolo, but he didn't know the nature of Vegeta and Gohan's heart.
Babibi managed to make even Dabura his underling, and Dabura was the strongest in hell if I am right.

Kaioshin's reaction when Vegeta got "Majinized" was not "What the heck?". It was more like "Oh, no! I feared this!".

Also, remember, Babibi was the son of Bibidi, a magician that had made a Demon that killed/absorbed the other kaioshins and literally kicked his ass. To underestimate him would have been an unwise choice.

A fight against someone like Babidi can't have a certain outcome, which most certainly would put fear into someone that isn't Piccolo or a saiya-jin.

[temujin]

ccThey weren't suppressed against the Saiyans, just not battle ready. That was their ordinary power levels before they started to battle. Vegeta even said they could vary their powers in battle. It's also similiar to when Bulma scouts everyone. They proved they could suppress their power level down to zero in the namek saga, so a few sagas later, I'm sure they perfected it

Both scenarios are possible, still dabura claims that sayans have more potential than the others.