Looking for complete and accurate battle power list

[Herms]

For the record, the battle power chart in DragonBall Forever is basically the same as the one in Daizenshuu 7. It has all of the same numbers for all of the same people, no more or less, with the only exception being that instead of "1-1,307" for Raditz-era Gohan, they have simply "1". Also, the bit of text for the Raditz fight notes that Goku's Kamehameha is "close to 1,000". The text explaining everything is much shorter though, so for instance the whole bit about near-death power ups becoming small/infrequent and battle powers becoming unable to be measured numerically isn't in there, instead at the end it just says "after this, the growth of Goku's power doesn't stop". The whole things takes up only one page, as opposed to Daizenshuu 7's, which is two pages. So it looks kind of cramped and not quite as cool as Daizenshuu 7's, or at least I think so. The chart is included as part of the book's section on scouters, in the item guide portion. Speaking of which, Daizenshuu 7's battle power chart is somewhat oddly inserted into the middle of the character guide, right after the pages with the entries for Goku and the other "Son"s.

[johnboy1]

For the record, the battle power chart in DragonBall Forever is basically the same as the one in Daizenshuu 7. It has all of the same numbers for all of the same people, no more or less, with the only exception being that instead of "1-1,307" for Raditz-era Gohan, they have simply "1". Also, the bit of text for the Raditz fight notes that Goku's Kamehameha is "close to 1,000". The text explaining everything is much shorter though, so for instance the whole bit about near-death power ups becoming small/infrequent and battle powers becoming unable to be measured numerically isn't in there, instead at the end it just says "after this, the growth of Goku's power doesn't stop". The whole things takes up only one page, as opposed to Daizenshuu 7's, which is two pages. So it looks kind of cramped and not quite as cool as Daizenshuu 7's, or at least I think so. The chart is included as part of the book's section on scouters, in the item guide portion. Speaking of which, Daizenshuu 7's battle power chart is somewhat oddly inserted into the middle of the character guide, right after the pages with the entries for Goku and the other "Son"s.

Are those really the only differences? I can probably see why they made Goku's Kamehameha close to 1,000. That fits in better with Vegeta's line when we see him after Raditz's death ("Killed by power levels barely over a thousand…").

[Herms]

Well, his Kamehameha was 924 and still rising, which I think falls under "close to 1,000". I don't think they were trying to change it to go better with Vegeta's line or anything. And yeah, those are the only differences between the two lists. As opposed to the timeline explanation charts in Daizenshuu 7 and DragonBall Forver, which are really different (I've been meaning to make a thread on that...).

[ssjpilafreich]

My Favorite Power levels are those from a youtube member called venom9808. The one's on mfg are outdated. The concept of goku and Freeza being 12,000,000 and And 15,000,000 Have been completely torn apart.

[johnboy1]

Does anyone else think the concept of Goku going from a 90,000 base to a 3,000,000 base after the Ginyu battle is ridiculous? Anyway, since the topic where I collected the power levels has been dead for almost four years, I think I'll post a cleaned-up version here, for reference. Here's the codes I'm using (in order of importance):

[M] = Manga
[A] = Anime/Movies
[D] = Daizenshuus/Reference Guides
[G] = Video Games
[C] = Calculations based on given numbers

The power levels from the games should be taken with a HUGE grain of salt. While the most of the levels they give fall in line with the manga (since most of them are lifted wholesale), some of them are just plain wrong. Those that are incompatible with the story or contradict established levels from other sources have been discarded. Every power level listed here is accurate and attested in an official DB product.

Dragon Ball

Goku Saga
Goku:
-Base Form: 10 [D]
-Great Ape: 100 [D]

Tenshinhan Saga
Goku: 180 [D]
Kame-Sen'nin: 139 [D]
Tsuru-Sen'nin: 120 [D]
Tenshinhan: 180 [D]

Demon King Piccolo Saga
Goku (after drinking Super Water of the Gods): 260 [D]
Demon King Piccolo (after youth restored): 260 [D]

Dragon Ball Z

Saiyan Saga
Farmer: 5 [M]
Piccolo:
-weighted clothes on Raditz's arrival: 322 [M]
-without weighted clothes while fighting Raditz: 408 [M]
-1st Light of Death: 1,330 [M]
-2nd Light of Death: 1,485 [A]
-weighted clothes after Raditz's death: 329 [M]
-suppressed before Saiyan battle: 1,220 [M]
-maximum during Saiyan battle: 3,500 [D]
Gohan:
-upset in Raditz's pod: 710 [M]
-attacking Raditz: 1,307 [M]
-after attacking Raditz: 1 [M]
-Monkey-Monster after Raditz's death: 13,070 [C]
-suppressed before Saiyan battle: 981 [M]
-Masenkô: 2,800 [M]
-Great Ape while fighting Vegeta: >9,810 [C]
Goku:
-weighted clothes before fighting Raditz: 334 [M]
-without weighted clothes while fighting Raditz: 416 [M]
-Kamehameha while fighting Raditz: 1,000 [D]
-suppressed before fighting Saiyans: 5,000 [M]
-Base Form while fighting Saiyans: 8,000 [M]
-Kaiô-ken: 16,000 [C]
-Kaiô-ken x2: 16,000 (sic) [C]
-Kaiô-ken x3: 24,000 [C]
-Kaiô-ken x4: 32,000 [D]
Kuririn:
-after Raditz's death: 206 [M]
-suppressed before Saiyan battle: 1,083 [M]
-maximum during Saiyan battle: 1,770 [D]
Kame-Sen'nin: 139 [M]
Sea Turtle: 0.001 [A]
Raditz: 1,200 [M]
Tenshinhan:
-after Raditz's death: 250 [M]
-maximum during Nappa battle: 1,830 [D]
Yamcha:
-after Raditz's death: 177 [M]
-maximum during Saibamen battle: 1,480 [D]
Chaozu (during Nappa battle): 610 [D]
Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chaozu combined (during Brocco and Pumpkin battle): 1,507 [A]
Cultivars (each): 1,200 [M]
Nappa: 4,000 [D]
Vegeta:
-Base Form: 18,000 [M]
-Great Ape: <180,000 [C]

Namek Saga
Gohan:
-suppressed when battling Freeza's thugs: 1,500 [M]
-fighting Gurd and Reacoom: 14,000 [D]
-Masenkô against Reacoom: 20,000 [A]
Kuririn:
-suppressed when battling Freeza's thugs: 1,500 [M]
-fighting Gurd and Reacoom: 13,000 [D]
Vegeta:
-arriving on Namek: 24,000 [M]
-after 1st Zarbon fight: 30,000 [A]
Kiwi: 18,000 [M]
Dodoria: 22,000 [G]
Zarbon (1st Form): 23,000 [G]
Namekian Warriors:
-suppressed before fighting Freeza's goons: 1,000 [M]
-while fighting Frieza's goons: 3,000 [M]
Reacoom: 40,000 [G]
Butta: 40,000 [C]
Jheese: 40,000 [C]
Goku:
-suppressed while fighting Ginyu Force: 5,000 [M]
-Base Form while fighting Ginyu Force: 90,000 [C]

Captain Ginyu Saga
Goku (Kaiô-ken against Captain Ginyu): 180,000 [M]
Captain Ginyu:
-in his own body: 120,000 [M]
-in Goku's body: 23,000 [M]
Nail: 42,000 [M]
Freeza (1st Form): 530,000 [M]

Freeza Saga
Freeza:
-2nd Form: 1,000,000 [M]
-3rd Form: 1,500,000 [G]
-4th Form 50%: 60,000,000 [D]
-4th Form 75%: 90,000,000 [C]
-4th Form 100%: 120,000,000 [D]
Piccolo (after fusing with Nail): 1,000,000 [D]
Goku:
-Base Form after Ginyu battle: 3,000,000 [D]
-Kaiô-ken x10: 30,000,000 [C]
-Kaiô-ken x20: 60,000,000 [C]
-Super Saiyan: 150,000,000 [D]

Trunks Saga
Trunks:
-suppressed Base Form: 5 [M]
-Super Saiyan: 150,000,000 [C]

Burdock: Father of Goku
Burdock: 10,000 [A]
Goku: 2 [A]

Tree of Might
Gohan:
-Base Form: 10,000 [A]
-Monkey-Monster: 100,000 [A]
Piccolo: 18,000 [A]
Goku:
-Base Form: 30,000 [A]
-Kaiô-ken: 60,000 [C]
-Kaiô-ken x10: 300,000 [C]

Cooler's Revenge
Gohan (weakened by having his tail grabbed): 50 [A]

Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan
Broly (at birth): 10,000 [A]

Well, that's it. Have fun.

[Herms]

Does anyone else think the concept of Goku going from a 90,000 base to a 3,000,000 base after the Ginyu battle is ridiculous?

A lot of people do, and it basically has to do with when in the battle with Freeza you think he starts using Kaio-ken x10. The manga strongly implies that he only starts using it well into the fight, around when Freeza starts using 50% of his power. So if Goku is able to match Freeza at the start without using Kaio-ken, his base power must be well over a million, so 3 million makes sense. It is a pretty big jump, no doubt about it, but Goku does say it even makes him tremble.

Gohan:
-Monkey-Monster while fighting Vegeta: >10,530 [A]

What part is this from?

Vegeta:
-Monkey-Monster: 180,000 [A]

Does Vegeta flat-out say in the anime that his battle power as an Oozaru is 180,000, or are you just going by the x10 multiplier? If you're going by the x10 multiplier rule, then Vegeta does actually mention it in the manga, but Viz altered the line so that he says something else. And to be really nit-picky, Vegeta says that making the Power Ball causes his power to drop (and Goku notes that he gets weaker after making it), so his power as an Oozaru should be less than the full 180,000 that he'd get by looking at a real full moon.

Dodoria: 22,000 [G]
Zarbon (1st Form): 23,000 [G]

These two get mentioned in Daizenshuu 7 as well, under the character dictionary bios for Zarbon and Dodoria (though it does give them as approximations).

Nail: 42,000

You left out the [M] here.

Trunks:
-Super Saiyan: 150,000,000 [D]

I really don't think that Gohan saying Trunks' ki is the same as Goku's is supposed to mean that they're the same size. The way it's phrased in Japanese makes it seem that he's talking more about some quality to the ki than to the amount of ki.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Gurd: 13,500 [G]

His power is nowhere near any 10,000. Gohan & Krillin were stated to be "over 10,000" after Guldo uses Telekinesis, and he was stated to be very weak.

Reacoom: 65,000 [G]
Butta: 62,500 [G]
Jheese: 64,000 [G]

All three were stated to have "the same chi", which means they have about the same battle power. Ginyu also estimated Goku's true power to be 60,000 which Jeice can't understand. That means all of them were much weaker then that level of power. All of them would likely be around 40-46,000 at the most.

2nd Form: 1,000,000 [M]
-3rd Form: 1,500,000 [G]

Freeza was stated to be "over a million" upon his transformation, and he powered-up twice after that; once after Gohan thrashed him, and in the battle against Piccolo. It wasn't a visible power-up, but everyone acknowledged his power was more then they thought. So his third form is much above that level, and likely around 2 million, if not above that.

[Kunzait_83]

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[Herms]

Gurd: 13,500 [G]

His power is nowhere near any 10,000. Gohan & Krillin were stated to be "over 10,000" after Guldo uses Telekinesis, and he was stated to be very weak.

Reacoom: 65,000 [G]
Butta: 62,500 [G]
Jheese: 64,000 [G]

All three were stated to have "the same chi", which means they have about the same battle power. Ginyu also estimated Goku's true power to be 60,000 which Jeice can't understand. That means all of them were much weaker then that level of power. All of them would likely be around 40-46,000 at the most.

Those numbers are all from Legend of the Super Saiyan though, and he already said that they should be taken with "a HUGE grain of salt".

[johnboy1]

Several of your corrections have been made to the list. As soon as I get home, I'll check my manga for the line about Reacoom, Butta, and Jheese all having the same chi. As for Gurd's power level, I thought it was relatively high, myself, but figured that since he was up against someone only slightly weaker than himself and someone else even stronger, it made sense. Now that I think about it, though, he was getting his ass kicked all the way through the battle, wasn't he?

[Kunzait_83]

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[Herms]

Vegeta:
-after 1st Zarbon fight: 30,000 [A]

This one's got an interesting history. In the original release of the manga, Jheeze gives Vegeta's battle power as 20,000, but the anime gave it as 30,000. Then Daizenshuu 7 gave it as 30,000 as well, and finally in the kanzenban edition of the manga it was changed to 30,000.

Anyway, I agree with Kunzait that your list is a great idea, and very well done.

[Rocketman]

This one's got an interesting history. In the original release of the manga, Jheeze gives Vegeta's battle power as 20,000, but the anime gave it as 30,000. Then Daizenshuu 7 gave it as 30,000 as well, and finally in the kanzenban edition of the manga it was changed to 30,000.

That had to have been a typo or something, then, since he was 24,000 back when he killed Kwi...

[JulieYBM]

Vegeta:
-after 1st Zarbon fight: 30,000 [A]

This one's got an interesting history. In the original release of the manga, Jheeze gives Vegeta's battle power as 20,000, but the anime gave it as 30,000. Then Daizenshuu 7 gave it as 30,000 as well, and finally in the kanzenban edition of the manga it was changed to 30,000.

Anyway, I agree with Kunzait that your list is a great idea, and very well done.

Yeah, that's...odd. 30,000 would make far more sense as when Vegeta first arrived on Namek 20,000 was the big "Shaking in my boots."

[johnboy1]

Well, after looking at my copies of the manga, I decided to remove the Ginyu Force power levels from the game. Lines in the manga suggests that Gurd must have been peeing himself facing two warriors with power levels over 10,000. This implies that his must be less than 10,000. Hence, not 13,500. And Ginyu estimated Goku's power level at 60,000 knowing full well he beat the snot out of Jheese and company, implying that all their levels (being the same) are less than 60,000. Hence, not 62,500-65,000. So, the only game power levels that made it through are Dodoria and Form 1 Zarbon, which are in the Daizenshuu, anyway, and Form 3 Freeza, which is doubtful, but lacks direct evidence against it like the Ginyu levels.

Are there any other power levels given in characters biographies? Not knowing Japanese, I wouldn't be able to report those even if I had the Daizenshuu. I remember reading about it reporting Piccolo's power level as 1,000,000 after fusing with Nail, so I added that. That's all I remember, though. It makes sense, too, as Piccolo and Form 2 Freeza go at it pretty much blow for blow, and even after Freeza delivers a beating, Piccolo gets right up, battered but still ready to go.

Also, I removed that brief area of speculation about the Fake Saiyan battle. I figure I can let the combined level stand on its own. Come to think of it, I only remember that from the original dub. Could someone with the Season One orange brick tell me if a level is given there in the original Japanese and if it's 1,500 like in the English version?

[Herms]

Are there any other power levels given in characters biographies? Not knowing Japanese, I wouldn't be able to report those even if I had the Daizenshuu. I remember reading about it reporting Piccolo's power level as 1,000,000 after fusing with Nail, so I added that. That's all I remember, though. It makes sense, too, as Piccolo and Form 2 Freeza go at it pretty much blow for blow, and even after Freeza delivers a beating, Piccolo gets right up, battered but still ready to go.

Piccolo's bio says that his battle power "surpasses one million" after merging with Nail. The only other actual number given that I can think of is for those two Freeza mooks Gohan and Kuririn kill. It says that as loweset-level warriors, their battle powers are "below 1,500". Appule's bio notes that his battle power is below that of some of the Namekians, though it doesn't give any actual numbers.

An interesting thing, though not really too relevent to the list, is that in the item guide entry for the Saibaiman-growing set, it says that their battle powers vary based on the soil of the planet that they're grown in (it says this in both Daizenshuu 4 and 7). Earth has very good soil, so the Saibaimen grown there have battle powers of 1,200, like it says in the manga, but they'd be weaker in a planet with poorer soil.

[Kunzait_83]

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[SSJ2bardock]

BAH! To hell with power levels, they make my head hurt.

[Chrono Trigger]

Man power levels are just dumb when you think about it. So you're telling me Goku trained with Kami for 3 years and only had a power level of about 300 and then Yamcha trains with Kami for LESS than a year and ends up with a power level over 1000 ? Seriously !? Or Goku spends THREE years training for the artificial humans and only gets strong enough to fight kick 19 around but then he trains for a little LESS than 24 hours in the Room of Spirit and Time and then he finally ascends past the limits of a Super Saiyan ? Right. He spends 3 years training but if he had a few more months BAM he's a FPSSJ.

[Herms]

Just checked; it's actually 1507.

I love how absurdly specific all the battle powers are when they're first introduced. They should have kept it like that:

2nd-form Freeza: "If any device could read my power, it would probably be one million and three!"

Ginyu: "W-what?! Your battle power has risen to 183,429!"

Nappa: "What's his battle power, Vegeta?"
Vegeta: "8,263.92745025-ah crap, Nappa's already dead..."

Man power levels are just dumb when you think about it. So you're telling me Goku trained with Kami for 3 years and only had a power level of about 300 and then Yamcha trains with Kami for LESS than a year and ends up with a power level over 1000 ?

That has nothing to do with the numbers though. Raditz beat the crap out of post-Kami training Goku, the Saibaimen are on par with Raditz (going only by power), but post-Kami training Yamcha is able to overpower a Saibaiman. So leaving any numbers out of it, it's still clear Yamcha get much stronger through his training with Kami than Goku did. It bugs me too that everyone gets so strong after just a year training with Kami, while Goku spend three years there and got far worse results, but that's just how the story is. It's the same for Goku's training in the Room of Spirit and Time.