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Post by johnboy1 » Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:10 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:Just checked; it's actually 1507.
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Wow. That was stupid. Not as stupid as 1440 = 1485, but still. Well, I've made the necessary update. I think that's everything. The list should be complete, barring any new levels showing up in the new movie. Can you imagine actually getting some post-Buu power levels? That severely limit the amount of speculation involved with post-Trunks levels. The problem with those is that the sky is the limit, and there's no way to know how much a jump should be.
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Post by Rocketman » Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:29 pm

It was stated that Goku didn't really train with Kami, though. Goku got his training from Mr. Popo.

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Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:39 pm

Didn't the humans only train for six months with Kami? That makes the power boost even more incredible, though they were specifically training to take on the Saiyans, while Goku was training to take on Piccolo; two very different enemies in power.

Also; Rocketman, did Goku really only train with Popo? I might've overlooked that part, but I know it showed Goku meditating in front of him before they stopped showing the training.

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Post by Rocketman » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:02 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:Also; Rocketman, did Goku really only train with Popo? I might've overlooked that part, but I know it showed Goku meditating in front of him before they stopped showing the training.
Yeah. At the 23rd Budokai, Kami (as Shen) says that he left the majority of Goku's training up to Popo.

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Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:05 pm

You're exactly right. I just checked. I really overlooked that part.

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Post by gbpack2306 » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:54 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:Man power levels are just dumb when you think about it. So you're telling me Goku trained with Kami for 3 years and only had a power level of about 300 and then Yamcha trains with Kami for LESS than a year and ends up with a power level over 1000 ? Seriously !? Or Goku spends THREE years training for the artificial humans and only gets strong enough to fight kick 19 around but then he trains for a little LESS than 24 hours in the Room of Spirit and Time and then he finally ascends past the limits of a Super Saiyan ? Right. He spends 3 years training but if he had a few more months BAM he's a FPSSJ.
Wasn't the gravity in the ROSAT more than that on Earth though? So a year in there could be much more straining than three years in normal gravity.

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Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:56 pm

Yeah, it was 10x earth's gravity. That explains why Gotenks and Piccolo got so strong in a week or less.
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Post by Chrono Trigger » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:06 pm

It does ? As powerful as Gotenks is 10x gravity would actually cause him trouble ? The Room of Spirit and Time seems kinda silly to me in some ways. Yeah it has 10x the gravity of Earth but by the time they all used it the gravity shouldn't have effected any of them at all. The big advantage for them would be the years training in a day.
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Post by Onikage725 » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:58 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:It does ? As powerful as Gotenks is 10x gravity would actually cause him trouble ? The Room of Spirit and Time seems kinda silly to me in some ways. Yeah it has 10x the gravity of Earth but by the time they all used it the gravity shouldn't have effected any of them at all. The big advantage for them would be the years training in a day.
And doesn't Trunks train with Vegeta in the gravity chamber? I think the major factor for the RoSat with Gotenks was time (and a doubling of any gains made by the individual fusion component fighters once they merge).
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Post by loney123 » Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:09 pm

My list is pretty good. It's WELL THOUGHT OUT. I don't just randomly put down numbers, I add a small line why I put the numbers down, and also added on facts and quotes.

~~Arrival of Raditz~~

Raditz: 1,200+*

Farmer: 5

Piccolo: With Weighted Clothing - 322**
Piccolo: Without weighted Clothing - 408
Piccolo: Special Beam Cannon - 1330

Goku: With Weighted Clothing - 330***
Goku: Without Weighted Clothing - 416
Goku: Kamehameha - 924+

Gohan: Upset - 710
Gohan: Enraged - 1307
Gohan: Powered Down, Normal – 1

*(Nappa states: "Those Saibamen are over 1,200! Equal to Raditz, every one of them")

**(Piccolo has been training hard for 5 years, so his power level has increased since when he last fought Goku.)

***(Goku has been training hard for 5 years, so his power level has increased since when he last fought Piccolo.)

~~After Raditz ~~

Kame-Sen’nin (Master Roshi) - 139
Kuririn - 206
Tenshinhan - 250
Yamcha - 177
Piccolo: After Raditz battle – 329
Choazu: 165

~~Arrival of Vegeta and Nappa ~~

Earth Warriors, not powered up.
Gohan - 981
Krillin - 1083
Piccolo – 1220

~~Z Warriors vs Saibamen ~~

Tenshinhan: 1,400*

Yamcha: 1,250**
Yamcha: Kamehameha: 1,300

Kuririn: 1,300
Kuririn: enraged large blast: 5,000
Kuririn: blasts splits into 6 smaller blasts: 1,450

Piccolo: 1,500

Saibamen: 1,200***

*(One hit from Tenshinhan knocked out a Saibamen)

**(Yamcha was able to fight one Saibamen evenly)

***(Nappa stated that the Saibamen are equal to Raditz at over 1,200).

~~Z Warriors vs Nappa ~~

Tenshinhan: 1,400
Tenshinhan: Ki-Ko-Ho: 6,500

Kuririn: 1,300

Piccolo: 1,500

Gohan: 1,200
Gohan: enraged: 2,800*

Choazu: 1,000**
Choazu: self-destruction: 1,800

Nappa: 4,000
Nappa: powered up: 8,000
Nappa: power decreases slowly as the battle goes on: 8,000 – 6,000

Goku: approaching: 5,000

*(Piccolo stated: “If you put your mind to it, your power surpasses mine..”, and Vegeta also stated: “Power 2,800!”)

**(Nappa stated when he arrived on Earth: “There are readings over a 1,000! More than one of them!” so I put Choazu at 1,000 exactly).

I've got the whole list, I've only added the first part.

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Post by Toriyama Boss » Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:58 pm

Herms wrote:I actually did a translation of Daizenshuu 7's battle power chart, so I might as well post it here:

First Appearance: 10
He already has twice the power of an ordinary person. What’s more, his body is tough enough to repel a gun’s bullet.
Oozaru: 100
His battle power becoming ten times its usual, he can even pulverize a 30 cm thick steel wall. His has the destructive power of a battleship’s main gun.
Ya see how the Daizenshuu 7 gave good comparisons/examples about how powerful these characters are. I was wondering does the Daizenshuu ever give examples like that for other characters and other aspects of fighting?

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Post by Bussani » Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:02 pm

I heard that the gravity becomes stronger in the Room of Spirit and Time the further you go from the center. I think it was Trunks who mentioned it in one episode, where he ventured out to where Vegeta was.

Of course, that could have been filler, bad translation or just me remembering wrong.

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Post by Super Ghost Kamikaze » Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:42 am

So a human good enough to go to the Olympics would be, say, 5 and a half? 6?

My list, I think, is the best:

Goku: A whole lot.

Everyone else: Less than Goku, and/or soon to be superceded by and/or killed by Goku

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Post by Onikage725 » Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:23 pm

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:So a human good enough to go to the Olympics would be, say, 5 and a half? 6?

My list, I think, is the best:

Goku: A whole lot.

Everyone else: Less than Goku, and/or soon to be superceded by and/or killed by Goku
Looks like a GT list.
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Post by Wojak » Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:13 pm

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:So a human good enough to go to the Olympics would be, say, 5 and a half? 6?

My list, I think, is the best:

Goku: A whole lot.

Everyone else: Less than Goku, and/or soon to be superceded by and/or killed by Goku
Farmer w/shotgun (May he rest eternally in peace, oh, our savior and blesser. Amen) had a powerlevel of 5 and I guess he wasn't in that great of a shape (actually he was, as ge easily defeated Radditz with his Godlike power) .
A human good enough to go to the olympics should be at 6-8 at least, as Goku was a bit stronger than 10 (as he was at the beginning of Dragonball) when he defeated King Chapa and Panputt, both World Class fighters, one of the best actually.
I guess the World Class ones lie at least, around 10 or so (twice as strong than a regular, unfit, human).
Of course, with World Class, I mean the best of the best, the untouchable.
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Post by Rocketman » Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:36 pm

Wojak wrote:A human good enough to go to the olympics should be at 6-8 at least, as Goku was a bit stronger than 10 (as he was at the beginning of Dragonball) when he defeated King Chapa and Panputt, both World Class fighters, one of the best actually.
I guess the World Class ones lie at least, around 10 or so (twice as strong than a regular, unfit, human).
Of course, with World Class, I mean the best of the best, the untouchable.
Goku was near 100 at the 21st Budokai, since he went head-to-head with Roshi. King Chappa's probably over 50.

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Post by Herms » Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:38 pm

Wojak wrote:A human good enough to go to the olympics should be at 6-8 at least, as Goku was a bit stronger than 10 (as he was at the beginning of Dragonball) when he defeated King Chapa and Panputt
Goku actually defeated those two at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai, when he would have been at 180.
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Post by Wojak » Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:54 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Wojak wrote:A human good enough to go to the olympics should be at 6-8 at least, as Goku was a bit stronger than 10 (as he was at the beginning of Dragonball) when he defeated King Chapa and Panputt, both World Class fighters, one of the best actually.
I guess the World Class ones lie at least, around 10 or so (twice as strong than a regular, unfit, human).
Of course, with World Class, I mean the best of the best, the untouchable.
Goku was near 100 at the 21st Budokai, since he went head-to-head with Roshi. King Chappa's probably over 50.
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Wojak wrote:A human good enough to go to the olympics should be at 6-8 at least, as Goku was a bit stronger than 10 (as he was at the beginning of Dragonball) when he defeated King Chapa and Panputt
Goku actually defeated those two at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai, when he would have been at 180.
Oops, didn't think of that. Of course that's true. Memorized and noted.

The conclusion nevertheless (which my post stemmed from) is that an Olympic athlete should be around 6-8, as the strength of Panputt and King Chapa are not really real in our world.
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Post by JulieYBM » Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:28 pm

Which makes me wonder, are we led to believe that 23rd TB Son and Piccolo the same level as Raditz Son and Piccolo?
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