Live Action Movie Thread

The S · Post by **The S** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:08 pm

...Didn't Marsters say Piccolo was going to be green?

Besides that, I think the reason why an albino Piccolo is so disappointing, is because they removed the character's key trait. That would be like declawing Wolverine or removing Spider-Man's webs.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:13 pm

SonEric84 wrote:You know, the best part is the pro-movie fanatics are going to be the people who get this thread closed down. People are allowed to dislike it, no one's telling you how to feel about it, so just deal with it.

I couldn't have said this any better myself.

SonEric84 · Post by **SonEric84** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:13 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:a whole bunch of stuff.

You say you can't take anymore whining, but aren't you whining about whining? And as far as "being proven right" that's your opinion and not everyone is going to agree with it. For someone so open-minded, you don't seem to be open to people disliking things about the movie. Granted, some complaints are small and stupid, but some people actually care about little things and don't want to see it stray far from what they know and love the way it is. Either way you look at it, these are just opinions and we can't really say any opinion is better than any other.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:15 pm

The S wrote:Besides that, I think the reason why an albino Piccolo is so disappointing, is because they removed the character's key trait. That would be like declawing Wolverine or removing Spider-Man's webs.

People were crying about the same kind of thing with Goku and Bulma's hair.

SonEric84 wrote:You say you can't take anymore whining, but aren't you whining about whining? And as far as "being proven right" that's your opinion and not everyone is going to agree with it. For someone so open-minded, you don't seem to be open to people disliking things about the movie. Granted, some complaints are small and stupid, but some people actually care about little things and don't want to see it stray far from what they know and love the way it is. Either way you look at it, these are just opinions and we can't really say any opinion is better than any other.

I realize "opinions are opinions" and I'm not as worried about that. It's the comments like "FOX is ruining my life/fandom" that are getting to me.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:19 pm

Look, you can like the Piccolo design or not. I don't really care. But to be blind enough to say that Live Action Piccolo, and Piccolo don't look at all similar is just ridiculous to me.
What I am complaining about is not that people dislike Piccolo's design, it that everyone is saying the same thing. "OMG Piccolo isn't the vampire!! He is the namekian!" When I have obviously proved that the two have similar characteristics. Do they look identical, NO, I didn't say that. But I can see the similarities and I don't understand why others can't.
See, Piccolo is a comic/cartoon character, when translating a character from a cartoon medium to a live action movie certain things need to be changed. So far the changes, in my opinion, have not been as drastic as some people are making it out be.
Honestly I hope Piccolo never dawns the huge cape and Turban cause that will look really dumb. Ok, maybe the cape could look alright, but his Turban would just look silly.

Edit: Damn this topic moves fast. Anyway, I am not telling anyone they can't have there own opinion, obviously, I know plenty of people will dislike this movie, and I am fine with that. I was only complaining about needless repeated comments. Personally I think Piccolo's facial design is far from inaccurate, especially compared to how drastically different some of the other characters look compared to there anime counter parts.

Post by **Herms** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:26 pm

The S wrote:...Didn't Marsters say Piccolo was going to be green?

I think I remember him saying that, which is why I believe that the Piccolo in those screenshots won't be the only form of Piccolo in the movie. Like maybe he's Daimao, and then over the course of the movie he'll undergo a transformation into a Ma Junior-type character, who will be green and generally resemble Piccolo more. But that might just be wishful thinking...

If they are going to have Piccolo be some color besides green, though, I think gray would be a much better choice than the yellow he seems to be. Toriyama colored Piccolo gray during all the color manga pages with limited color pallete, and he looks very cool like that.

rackhami · Post by **rackhami** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:27 pm

Haha, I love how my opinion is consistently and gradually sliding from "so bad it's good" to "well, maybe it really is just good!" The more I look at the stills, the more I like them. I'm finding that for a lot of the information released for the movie, my initial response is "haha, seriously?" then after a day or so, "well, hey, it could work."

And hey, again, worst case scenario, at least it'll be good for a kickin' midnight showing and tons of laughs. (Your mileage may vary, naturally.) It won't hit theatres for another six months, so it really is a bit early to make definitive judgments as to the quality of the film (though I completely understand how frustrating it can be to see something you love changed in ways you never wanted - hello, Ella Enchanted!).

So, er. Yes.

SSj Kaboom wrote:Would Piccolo being completely green with slug-like antennae work any better or look any less ridiculous than Bulma having blue hair?

The thing I need to remember (though I should know it by heart by now) is this: live action film is (obviously) a very different form of media from comic books, be they American, Japanese, French or what have you. Visual gags and character designs that look fantastic in a comic book or animated media won't necessarily play out the same way in a live action setting. Bulma's lavender/blue hair is very effective in print media (and the various animated adaptations) because it's bright and colorful, because it functions as a sort of shorthand for distinguishing the character (at a glance), and - well, it looks good. And as much as I would love it if Emmy Rossum were to sport blue or lavender hair for the live action film, I imagine it would be very difficult to pull off in such a way that it wouldn't appear tacky or garish. The color palette just doesn't work.

I'm thinking now of the live action Sailor Moon jdrama from a few years back, which did grant the Senshi their bright, colorful hair when they transformed, but otherwise retained a more realistic hair color when they were out of uniform (e.g., Sailor Moon is a blonde, but Tsukino Usagi has black hair). And what of the X-Men films, which dropped the longstanding and recognizable multicolored spandex of the comics in favor of the black uniforms used in the films? I'm sure there are loads of fans who disliked those decisions (and I don't begrudge them their opinions at all), but it's fairly easy to tell that going with 24-hour neon wigs and bright yellow spandex doesn't really fly very well outside the comic book/animated mediums.

I'm sure it's the same thing with Piccolo. His character design in the manga and the anime is very distinctive, from the antennae to his green skin, but there's no guarantee it would have worked on film. Again, I'm sure Marsters would have acted the hell out of it ('cause he's Marsters and he's a solid, dedicated actor), but I can't imagine it would have been an easy sell to the studio - and I can't imagine it would have worked out as well as many (including myself!) would hope. I looked at the images Wojax posted and totally cringed. That first image is excellent, don't get me wrong! But as excellent as it is, that image has also convinced me that a 100% true-to-the-manga visual adaptation of Piccolo simply wouldn't work in a live action setting.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:36 pm

rackhami wrote: I'm sure it's the same thing with Piccolo. His character design in the manga and the anime is very distinctive, from the antennae to his green skin, but there's no guarantee it would have worked on film. Again, I'm sure Marsters would have acted the hell out of it ('cause he's Marsters and he's a solid, dedicated actor), but I can't imagine it would have been an easy sell to the studio - and I can't imagine it would have worked out as well as many (including myself!) would hope. I looked at the images Wojax posted and totally cringed. That first image is excellent, don't get me wrong! But as excellent as it is, that image has also convinced me that a 100% true-to-the-manga visual adaptation of Piccolo simply wouldn't work in a live action setting.

Exactly what I have been saying. Those images he posted, which have been circling the net for a while look awful to me. Not that they were poorly made, no no, just that that would look completely dumb in a movie that wasn't made for four year olds.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:50 pm

rackhami wrote:But as excellent as it is, that image has also convinced me that a 100% true-to-the-manga visual adaptation of Piccolo simply wouldn't work in a live action setting.

I not so sure about that. I think it could work. Spiderman worked. They didn't scrap his brightly colored suit for something they considered more slick and presentable. Or what about Fantastic 4? They looked just fine to me.

The trend nowadays seems to be to make all the superheroes (which is what Goku "basically" is) look very slick and dark, but ultimately generic and boring. Giving the characters their original designs would be a nice change. After all, this is a fantasy movie. Not to mention the technology today makes it easier to pass these designs off as acceptable to even the most skeptic people.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:58 pm

Kid Trunks wrote:Spiderman worked. They didn't scrap his brightly colored suit for something they considered more slick and presentable.

But they DID make the wise choice to have the Green Goblin in battle armor instead of purple tights.

rackhami · Post by **rackhami** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:08 pm

I hated how the Fantastic Four looked on-screen, actually. *g* Something about the cloth they used for the costumes? It's kind of how I feel about Piccolo's vaguely Batman and Robin-esque suit. I'm definitely starting to like his actual physical design, but ... that chest plating. Eek.

I still can't really see them pulling off a straight adaptation of Piccolo in a live action film, BUT given we don't actually know what it would look like if Marsters were in full-blown manga-style Piccolo make-up - well, ultimately, my opinion isn't fully informed. It could work, I just don't think it would.

(At the risk of going total nerd, I would argue that the color palette utilized for Spider-man's costume is both more dynamic and more acceptable in a live action setting than, say, the yellow spandex of the X-Men.)

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:15 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
Kid Trunks wrote:Spiderman worked. They didn't scrap his brightly colored suit for something they considered more slick and presentable.
But they DID make the wise choice to have the Green Goblin in battle armor instead of purple tights.

True. But he was green

Lets see: Green Goblin = green
The Hulk = green
Piccolo = ...pale yellow

rackhami wrote:I hated how the Fantastic Four looked on-screen, actually. *g* Something about the cloth they used for the costumes?

Well I dunno, I like em'. And what was that rock guys name. The big orange guy. He looke exactly like the comic, and he looked ok.

Also, what about Hell Boy. That seemd to work.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:17 pm

SonEric84 wrote:You know, the best part is the pro-movie fanatics are going to be the people who get this thread closed down. People are allowed to dislike it, no one's telling you how to feel about it, so just deal with it.

You just won this, and all past and future movie threads.

Every time one of these threads spirals out of control, it's because the "positive" crowd, wont let people state their legitimate criticisms and opinions, without taking it as a personal affront.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:19 pm

rackhami wrote:(At the risk of going total nerd, I would argue that the color palette utilized for Spider-man's costume is both more dynamic and more acceptable in a live action setting than, say, the yellow spandex of the X-Men.)

Even Spidey's outfit was adjusted to look better in live-action. The colors were a little toned down, the suit had more texture to it, with the raised web-patterns and all, and the glass eyepieces were a more realistic and practical shape and size, and they didn't include the webbing under the arms.

Kind of like Goku's costume in this film. It's been a bit adjusted from its bright, campy original design, in order to look better and more interesting on a real person. And in both cases, the villains have been in need of the most adjustment, more so than the heroes.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:47 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote: The colors were a little toned down, the suit had more texture to it, with the raised web-patterns and all, and the glass eyepieces were a more realistic and practical shape and size, and they didn't include the webbing under the arms.

If they only did something to that effect with Piccolo I'd have no problem. The changes to Spidey are pretty unnoticeable.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:11 pm

SonEric84 said: You know, the best part is the pro-movie fanatics are going to be the people who get this thread closed down. People are allowed to dislike it, no one's telling you how to feel about it, so just deal with it.

Why in the hell would any of you guys care if the thread got closed down or not ? I'm mean seriously !? That's like me saying "I'm not going to that party." Then someone else says "Oh they aren't having a closed bar at the party." Why would I care if I'm not going to the damn party anyway!?

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:21 pm

I am honestly interested in what they might do with the "Saiyan Battle Armor" in future sequels, well, if there are sequels. Hey, at least the Saiyan arc shouldn't be altered too much as Saiyans look like humans.

If you think they changed Piccolo, get ready for what Freeza, and the entire Ginyu force and so on will look like.

disturbed001 · Post by **disturbed001** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:22 pm

I think the problem is the last official movie thread was closed because of this bickering. Mike definately predicted it happening with this thread still.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:26 pm

omegacwa wrote:I am fine with how piccolo looks, and he is green, just not dark green.

You must be color blind, as there isn't an ounce of green shade in that pic. o__O;

Good god, it's the closer we get to the release of this movie, FOX keeps trolling us harder and harder.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:27 pm

The reason this thread is going to get closed is because there are too many sore winners who just like to rub shit in. Ok, Piccolo looks ridiculous and things aren't looking to good for the movie. We get it. Still that would be just to easy right ? So we gotta have page after page of the same people repeating themselves over and over again and then a pro-movie person will be like ''Alright we get it! You don't like it! Get over yourself!" then the haters will be like "Man FUCK YOU I have my own opinion and we can hate the movie if we want and if the thread gets closed it's your fault cause all we're doing is giving our opinion!" When in actuality we all know your fucking opinions already. You've made you thoughts very clear. Over and over and over again.