Live Action Movie Thread

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:16 am

Kunzait_83 wrote: Oh for the love of...

This MUCH BETTER photoshop touch up was posted not far back earlier in this very fucking thread;

Honestly, you bitches have such short term memories sometimes.

Hey, that's mine! I made that picture. Does any one else notice that if you look at his left shoulder there appears to be, dare I say, purple.

Amaranth Sparrow wrote:And if you don't think people would take Piccolo's design as being a racist attack against Middle Easterners, please refer to the critical response to 300. A movie based on a mid-90s comic, based on a black and white movie, based on a real event, was taken by numerous critics to be a pro-Bush, pro-America, anti-Islamic, anti-Arabic film, most often stating it to be an obvious parallel. Movie critics are idiots with no knowledge of source material, and, frankly, so are most movie-goers.

I also mentioned this a few pages back but no one seemed to notice.

disturbed001 · Post by **disturbed001** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:17 am

Seriously, I think piccolo looks like something from the Power Rangers movie. Maybe doing Dragon Ball live action was a bad idea...

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:19 am

I hate to burst your bubble, but most of the late DB and DBZ/GT villains do look like power ranger villains.

Here, is this what you people want, cause here you go.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:38 pm

Amaranth Sparrow wrote:
Chuquita wrote:I think he looks absolutely awful and atrociously insulting to Mr. Toriyama's original design.
I think you're taking it way too seriously. You think Toriyama would be insulted? That lazy bastard? The guy who essentially invented the Super Saiyan power up so he wouldn't have to keep filling in Goku's hair with black? The guy who made his villain designs into charicatures of his editors?

There really isn't anything wrong with taking some liberties. Some things just don't transition well into live action, or would be difficult to take seriously. As nice as it is to appeal to fans, the fact is, they have to appeal to a much wider audience, and the designs need to not be absurd-looking.

And if you don't think people would take Piccolo's design as being a racist attack against Middle Easterners, please refer to the critical response to 300. A movie based on a mid-90s comic, based on a black and white movie, based on a real event, was taken by numerous critics to be a pro-Bush, pro-America, anti-Islamic, anti-Arabic film, most often stating it to be an obvious parallel. Movie critics are idiots with no knowledge of source material, and, frankly, so are most movie-goers.

You nailed it.

SonEric84 · Post by **SonEric84** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:55 pm

Amaranth Sparrow wrote:Movie critics are idiots with no knowledge of source material, and, frankly, so are most movie-goers.

Which is exactly why they can get away with making a movie featuring a power rangers villain style Piccolo.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:02 pm

SonEric84 wrote:
Amaranth Sparrow wrote:Movie critics are idiots with no knowledge of source material, and, frankly, so are most movie-goers.

Which is exactly why they can get away with making a movie featuring a power rangers villain style Piccolo.

Um... in that case, Piccolo from the anime looks like a power rangers villain.

SonEric84 · Post by **SonEric84** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:07 pm

Yeaaaah....only not.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:25 pm

SonEric84 wrote:Yeaaaah....only not.

Right. Well you can compare any suitmation to look like Power Rangers, doesn't make it true.

SonEric84 · Post by **SonEric84** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:30 pm

It does when the picture is right there in front of you...but I'm going to stop now. My point was people are stupid in general and whatever is marketed as "cool" is usually viewed as such, even when in reality, it's pretty damn stupid. Which is why movies like "death race" are allowed to be made.

Post by **Herms** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:33 pm

omegacwa wrote:I hate to burst your bubble, but most of the late DB and DBZ/GT villains do look like power ranger villains.

Heck, the Ginyu Special-Squad are directly based off of the Power Rangers (or at least, the Japanese sentai shows that Power Rangers is adapted from).

SonEric84 · Post by **SonEric84** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:34 pm

Herms wrote:
omegacwa wrote:I hate to burst your bubble, but most of the late DB and DBZ/GT villains do look like power ranger villains.
Heck, the Ginyu Special-Squad are directly based off of the Power Rangers (or at least, the Japanese sentai shows that Power Rangers is adapted from).

That's true, but they were blatant parody of that kind of stuff.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:45 pm

SonEric84 wrote:It does when the picture is right there in front of you...but I'm going to stop now. My point was people are stupid in general and whatever is marketed as "cool" is usually viewed as such, even when in reality, it's pretty damn stupid. Which is why movies like "death race" are allowed to be made.

I hope you're not saying that I'm stupid because I think this new look happens to be cool. I'm no fan of "Death Race," even though everyone walking into that movie KNOWS it's stupid fun, but I AM a fan of James Wong and Stephen Chow. I'm also a fan of Dragonball, and I'm all for changes that make sense in live-action.

If you weren't a fan of Dragonball, and the villain was some cliche green alien with antenna wearing a TURBAN, you'd think it was pretty damn stupid and if you were middle-eastern possibly even offensive.

It's amazing how everyone is so quick to hate Piccolo when we know James Marsters is so devoted and we know how much work went into Piccolo each and every day. But, what am I saying, I'm on the most hardcore Dragonball purist fanboy site on the net. You hate change. Even IF it's for the better. Some things don't make any sense in the manga or anime, and good for them for trying to make sense of it, thus making audiences take it seriously.

I would say wait for the trailer (or even the movie! gasp!) but there's no changing your mind. You will hate this movie to the day you die, even if it's a masterpiece.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:51 pm

Amaranth Sparrow wrote:The guy who essentially invented the Super Saiyan power up so he wouldn't have to keep filling in Goku's hair with black?

Yeah, not coloring in hair after doing so for 318 chapters is a real sign of laziness. Nevermind the fact that Goku wasn't always in Super Saiyan form, or how Toriyama had to sometimes do colored pages.

Amaranth Sparrow wrote:The guy who made his villain designs into charicatures of his editors?

So instead of going with generic cookie-cutter villains at the time, Toriyama went with transforming his editors into monsters and enemies of different shapes and sizes with several different personalities.

Yeah, REAL laziness there!

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:51 pm

Amaranth Sparrow wrote:There really isn't anything wrong with taking some liberties. Some things just don't transition well into live action, or would be difficult to take seriously. As nice as it is to appeal to fans, the fact is, they have to appeal to a much wider audience, and the designs need to not be absurd-looking.

I… agree with the overall sentiment of this paragraph. Really I do. Wholeheartedly.

But green skin for Piccolo I’m sorry, just wouldn’t have been all THAT big a deal for the filmmakers to pull off. As omegacwa’s bit of photoshop work helps demonstrate, he’d have looked perfectly fine that way and not at ALL “ludicrous” in the least bit, any more than Alan Cumming did with deep blue skin as Nightcrawler in X-Men 2.

Is this sort of aesthetic detail in any way enough to sink the movie as a whole all by itself? Of course not. Could the movie still be very good/entertaining? Very much so. But regardless of that, the change in this specific instance in and of itself is just DUMB. It serves absolutely NO practical purpose whatsoever in making this story click in lvie action except to draw out bitching from fanboys & girls and start inane bickering on forums like this one. Petty shit like this could’ve been easily sidestepped by just giving the fucker green skin. It wouldn’t hurt the movie in any manner, AND it would appease the fanbase. Win/win.

There ARE changes that are indeed wholly necessary for this completely whacked out manga/anime to make the transition to live action smoothly. Of course. It’d be awfully naïve to think otherwise. Changing a character’s skin color when his overall character design is the most striking, distinctive, and most instantly recognizable aesthetic feature about him however is NOT in any way one of them.

It’d be the equivalent of Hugh Jackman not having Wolverine’s signature mutton chops, or Storm not having white hair, or Nightcrawler not being blue and having a tail in the X-Men movies. Like these outlandish physical attributes for those characters, Piccolo’s alien green skin is a well known and instantly recognizable visual cue that’s a long standing trademark of the character. Not having it won’t HURT the movie in and of itself, but it won’t in any way HELP it either. General audiences simply will not give a shit either way. So all it really accomplishes in the end is instigating the fanbase to go to war with itself and nothing more.

Am I furiously upset that he doesn’t have it? No.

Am I at least mildly disappointed? A little bit yeah.

Do I think it will just flat out ruin the whole movie irrevocably even if everything else is somehow a masterpiece of storytelling? Of course not.

Do I think that it’s a completely necessary alteration, as critical to the movie’s success as say, properly condensing about several volumes and years worth of manga storyline into an economic hour and a half/2 hour running time? Not in the least.

Is it dumb? Oh most definitely.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:53 pm

Just another thought:

We haven't seen a single official shot of Piccolo yet, except the one in black and white which doesn't reveal his color.

It's not hard for someone to use photoshop and change the color. You're also forgetting the trailer isn't even DONE yet, these were certainly leaks.

A studio source informed IGN that, while Oct. 17 is Fox’s “target date,” nothing is guaranteed until the special effects and requisite approvals are in place.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:58 pm

Kunzait pretty much summed up my stance.

Him apparently not being green is kind of dumb. Other aspects are probably better off changed, such as the armor-like battle suit instead of gi, or making the antennae a little more subtle, and I can even understand (even if I stillthink it's stupid) the decision to do away with the turban. But green skin... yeah, that could have been kept. I still don't hate the look of the character, in fact, I really like it. Nor do I think it's going to severely affect the quality of the movie. But it's still kinda dumb.

...And part of me is still hoping that he gets his green back with a youth wish, too.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:01 pm

Would I like Piccolo to be green? Sure.
Will it ruin Piccolo if he isn't? Hell no.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:29 pm

It could have been worse I guess. He could have been purple.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:31 pm

Snail wrote:It could have been worse I guess. He could have been purple.

He could have looked like this-
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... llains.png

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:35 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:He could have looked like this-
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... llains.png

At least that movie had dancing Roshi. :p