Corniest Dub Lines

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:27 pm

Tsukento wrote:Yeah, I've noticed that Brice Armstrong has a helluva voice for an old man. His Ginyu is pretty damn good.

That's what I like, he's 72 but is so flippin' awesome. As much as I like Kyle Hebert I wish Armstrong was the narrator for all three series.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:59 pm

I know that even in the original material King Kaio was constantly cracking jokes to Goku, but in the Japanese verion were the jokes as corny as they are in the dub? I know that Goku obviously wasn't amused by them, but were they real jokes and Goku is just clueless or were they really corny like in the dub?

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:12 pm

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:53 pm

I used to think the "Super Saiyan Bargain Sale" line was corny in the dub when Chibi Trunks goes SSJ while training with Vegeta in the Buu saga, but it's exactly the same line in the japanese version spoken with a bit of engrish.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:21 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:
Captain Awesome wrote:
Castor Troy wrote:Come to think of it, did Sabat actually redub the YES YES Piccolo lines on the Season sets?
I don't think so, he did acknowledge the line in an interview, even going so far as to admit "none of us could write back then" funny how they didn't at least attempt to fix it.
It's even more funny how they were trying to "write" a show that had already been written just fine nearly a decade prior to begin with.

Well, the thing is it's still called writing when you have to rework the dialogue to sound both accurate, matching the flaps, and natural. Plenty of dubs--from what I hear--are so word-for-word the acting suffers: case in point YGO and SK uncut.

Not to mention the bulk of Z was written before dubbing became a serious business.

EDIT: Can somebody provide a link to that Sabat interview???

Musume · Post by **Musume** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:27 pm

I'm going to have to say that Goku saying that Instant Transmission allows him to travel as light at 186,000 mph takes the cake. By definition, it couldn't be "Instant" Transmission. Considering that it takes 8 minutes for the light of the sun to reach the earth alone, I'd hate to imagine how long it'd take for him to get from, say, earth to new Namek during the Cell saga... =/

SonEric84 · Post by **SonEric84** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:33 pm

Castor Troy wrote:I used to think the "Super Saiyan Bargain Sale" line was corny in the dub when Chibi Trunks goes SSJ while training with Vegeta in the Buu saga, but it's exactly the same line in the japanese version spoken with a bit of engrish.

Isn't it something to the effect of "since when did the legendary power of the super saiyan become a child's plaything"?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:51 pm

SonEric84 wrote:Isn't it something to the effect of "since when did the legendary power of the super saiyan become a child's plaything"?

That's earlier, and in the dub.

Volume 20, page 123:

*Trunks transforms*
V: ... Wh- When did he... *Trunks bounces around* This is ridiculous. Super Saiyans were legendary warriors! How did it get this easy? Trunks...
T: Yes, dad?
V: Can Son Gohan's brother turn Super Saiyan, too?
T: Yes.
V: ... ...it's a bargain sale on Super Saiyans...

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:14 pm

Semi-corny, but I still love it and it makes me laugh still was the fish jumping line.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:36 pm

Onikage725 wrote:Basically the whole scene where everyone meets before Freeza lands on Earth was dub failure to me.

And "you know who just joined the Super Saiyan Club!"

You know what pissed me off even more about this line is the fact that I re dubbed this scene, I did all the voices and it came out quite good, was that you can easily dub "Vegeta, turned into a super saiyan!?" over the mouth flaps. That super saiyan club line practically ruins one of Sabat's best moments. His scream in that scene was awesome.

Oh, and for the record, the "You won't escape my wrath line" only sounds awesome because the ocean team obviously used echoing and other effects. I like Brian Drummond, it's just that wasn't all him. I don't think Funi ever used any type of echoing on any scream, which really made some scenes less cool.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:03 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote:I know that even in the original material King Kaio was constantly cracking jokes to Goku, but in the Japanese verion were the jokes as corny as they are in the dub? I know that Goku obviously wasn't amused by them, but were they real jokes and Goku is just clueless or were they really corny like in the dub?

Yes, they both were very lame and unfunny. Dub Kaio does more "knock knock" jokes while the original does a lot of word puns.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:06 pm

On line of the Kaioh's-jokes thing though, I always loved the REO Speedwagon reference.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:53 pm

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:41 pm

The Yu-Gi-Oh uncut dvds, showed that many Yugi fans are hypocritical in what they say. I still note about how things used to be different, and am too old to care at times though concerning DBZ's dub mistakes and whatnot.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 2:50 am

Wow, I haven't been here for a day or so, but this thread is still here! Sweet!
Thanks guys!

Castor Troy wrote:I used to think the "Super Saiyan Bargain Sale" line was corny in the dub when Chibi Trunks goes SSJ while training with Vegeta in the Buu saga, but it's exactly the same line in the japanese version spoken with a bit of engrish.

I always found that line really funny, but it has always made sense to me.
Goten and Trunks just randomly become Super Saiyajin, like that magnificent transformation has just become a common Yu-Gi-Oh card or something. It is kinda profound.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 3:13 am

I'm going to go out on a limb here...I'm not trying to defend all corny Dub dialogue...HOWEVER, some of the more mild ones I find to be something I could see Toriyama himself writing. Take a look at the "SSJ Bargain Sale" line...But I digress.

I'd more rather direct my attention to the discussion of Kaio-sama...I actually think that a lot of the Dub's writing kind of went along the original's intentions. Yes there were some Knock-Knock Jokes...But there's also some word play. Now that may not be puns exactly...But I think going into English word play is a decent enough adaption...Like Tenshinhan's...

"You can tune a Piano...But you can't...TUNA FISH!!!"

Or Piccolo's "Monkey Business" line...I can easily see Toriyama writing stuff like that if he were an English Native.

Of course there was some odder stuff like Goku's

"Knock Knock...Who's there? KRILLIN...No..."

FUNi shouldn’t be given any sort of a free pass for following the crowd with DBZ any more than any other of the countless hatchet job dubs from that era.

I disagree...Given the time when it started (1996) I don't believe DBZ would have been as successful if they didn't do some of that Saturday Morning Cartoon stuff. I believe that DBZ & Pokemon are the ones that opened the floodgates for Anime in America. Without DBZ being a huge commercial success, I think the American Anime market would be much different right now.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 3:18 am

I like the monkey business line, it's actually funny!

Oh, who could forgot!?
"Dragonballs?!?! Ouch!" - Goku

Kodoshin · Post by **Kodoshin** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:43 am

Gozar wrote:
I disagree...Given the time when it started (1996) I don't believe DBZ would have been as successful if they didn't do some of that Saturday Morning Cartoon stuff. I believe that DBZ & Pokemon are the ones that opened the floodgates for Anime in America. Without DBZ being a huge commercial success, I think the American Anime market would be much different right now.

This line of excuses is used by Funi themselves in various interviews from the period and is just as ridiculous now as it was then. DBZ succeeded in spite of the changes because of the strength of the core material, not because of their moronic alterations.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:05 am

Kodoshin wrote: This line of excuses is used by Funi themselves in various interviews from the period and is just as ridiculous now as it was then. DBZ succeeded in spite of the changes because of the strength of the core material, not because of their moronic alterations.

I couldn't agree more.

The reason Dragonball resonated with such a large audience, is because of the inherent qualities of the series itself, it speaks volumes of the strength of the franchise that it was successful, despite FUNimation's numerous fuck ups.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:32 am

Kodoshin wrote:
Gozar wrote:
I disagree...Given the time when it started (1996) I don't believe DBZ would have been as successful if they didn't do some of that Saturday Morning Cartoon stuff. I believe that DBZ & Pokemon are the ones that opened the floodgates for Anime in America. Without DBZ being a huge commercial success, I think the American Anime market would be much different right now.
This line of excuses is used by Funi themselves in various interviews from the period and is just as ridiculous now as it was then. DBZ succeeded in spite of the changes because of the strength of the core material, not because of their moronic alterations.

And frankly, I think I'd PREFER an anime market based off a more underground respect for the core material by people that aren't...well, idiots.

The only caveat with this scenario is this: I might not have found it. I only really got INTO anime in the way that I got into it today by experiencing the "real" DBZ second-hand through Psaros and first-hand through terrible fansubs.

There are some episodes of the original material that I've either never seen, or might as well not have seen thanks to subs that re-wrote the original far worse than Funimation ever did.

....or, at least, just as bad as Funimation did on a particularly bad day.

.......or, .as bad as Funimation did during a normal day at the office.

I dunno. I think I prefer "Candy-ass faggot" over "IFYOUWEREADOGI'DGIVEYOUSOMEMILKBUTYOU'RENOTHEEEHEEHEEEHEEEHEE GOOD JOB."