An observation on Dragon Ball's English-speaking fanbases.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:47 am

VegettoEX wrote:I kinda have a problem with the self-invented hierarchy people have about this forum. You're not any more special or awesome just because you post here. We're all the same. Every single fan is just as awesome as the next fan. This board is no "better" or "worse" than any other board out there, and I don't for a minute forget that everyone could just up and go anywhere else if they wanted to.

Mister EX, I think you are either misunderstanding what is being said, or underestimating what you've made here on this website and on this board.

Yes, posting on the board itself does not make you a better person. But I also don't think that "All fans are created equal", either.

The fact is, some people will continue to be jerks for the sake of it. Some people would rather not use punctuation or capitalization. Some people simply do not follow common-sense internet etiquette.

The idea is not that posting here makes you better. Rather, the idea is that we have a lot of great folks here that employ proper internet etiquette.

And most, if not all of it, is very much thanks to you.

Your work on the forums helps to keep out those that mean to be rude for the sake of it.

Your work on the site attracts Dragonball fans looking for good, reliable information.

The Podcast keeps people coming back. And it makes people want to discuss the property they love.

I *do* think that these boards are different. Not because the boards themselves make you great, but because there is a pretty nice community here. We aren't made better by posting here. But we are some of the best-informed fans. And we are some of the least volatile amongst each other....normally.

The fact isn't "This board's members are inherently better than that board's members by virtue of posting here". Rather, the statement refers to the generally polite atmosphere here as opposed to in other places.

You can't just start up a community and have it succeed. You've done a lot of things that make this forum work that other forums do not.

The Daizenshuu EX boards are better.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:09 am

SSJ2bardock wrote:Exactly, if this were a perfect world both sides would respect each other's version (yes, I'm looking at you Japanese fan) and we would both live in peace.

"Both sides"? There are tons of dubs of the series out there, and I can't really seem to remember the last time anyone showed any kind of respect for, say, the Malaysian dub. Why is it okay to you to laugh at how bad that particular bastardisation is, yet when the subject of the FUNi bastardisation is brought up, it's supposed to be treated with respect?

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:30 am

Adamant wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:Exactly, if this were a perfect world both sides would respect each other's version (yes, I'm looking at you Japanese fan) and we would both live in peace.
"Both sides"? There are tons of dubs of the series out there, and I can't really seem to remember the last time anyone showed any kind of respect for, say, the Malaysian dub. Why is it okay to you to laugh at how bad that particular bastardisation is, yet when the subject of the FUNi bastardisation is brought up, it's supposed to be treated with respect?

When has the Malaysian dub ever been discussed here?

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:37 am

Here, here, here, here, and somewhat more "respectfully" here.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:44 pm

Adamant wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:Exactly, if this were a perfect world both sides would respect each other's version (yes, I'm looking at you Japanese fan) and we would both live in peace.
"Both sides"? There are tons of dubs of the series out there, and I can't really seem to remember the last time anyone showed any kind of respect for, say, the Malaysian dub. Why is it okay to you to laugh at how bad that particular bastardisation is, yet when the subject of the FUNi bastardisation is brought up, it's supposed to be treated with respect?

We were only talking about the English and Japanese versions.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:34 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:Exactly, if this were a perfect world both sides would respect each other's version (yes, I'm looking at you Japanese fan) and we would both live in peace.

The majority of FUNimation dub fans are too busy disliking the original version and other versions to realise what a departure from the original source material the dub is.

I think it's ridiculous to call fans of the original Japanese version "disrespectful" just because they're in a position to point out the myriad of fuck ups in the FUNimation dub.

I can respect a fan's preference, but I can't really "respect" something I find completely unwatchable.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:04 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:
I can respect a fan's preference, but I can't really "respect" something I find completely unwatchable.

Captain Awesome wrote: I can respect a fan's preference

Captain Awesome wrote: I can respect a fan's preference

We have a winner folks! We finally have a winner!

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:27 pm

You'll find here that people do respect personal preference, I'm yet to see anyone hassled just for enjoying the dub.

However just because I think people should be able to like what they like doesn't mean I have a shred of respect for the FUNimation dub, I think it's an absolute joke.

Honestly though, dub fans aren't a minority, so please stop acting like one.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:28 pm

They aren't on these forums ? (A minority I mean.)

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:47 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:You'll find here that people do respect personal preference, I'm yet to see anyone hassled just for enjoying the dub.

However just because I think people should be able to like what they like doesn't mean I have a shred of respect for the FUNimation dub, I think it's an absolute joke.

Honestly though, dub fans aren't a minority, so please stop acting like one.

And that's the beauty of it, you hate the dub and I totally respect that you have your own opinion. Also, for this argument I'm talking about the DaizenshuuEX forum and only the DaizenshuuEX forum, and at this forum the dub fans are the minority.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:49 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:
We were only talking about the English and Japanese versions.

Apart from the fact that the Malaysian version is in English as well, that's exactly what I was asking. WHY are you only talking about those two versions? Why is it only that particular dub it's demanded everyone treat with respect, while it's completely okay to laugh at how bad the Malaysian dub is?

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:55 pm

Adamant wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:
We were only talking about the English and Japanese versions.
Apart from the fact that the Malaysian version is in English as well, that's exactly what I was asking. WHY are you only talking about those two versions? Why is it only that particular dub it's demanded everyone treat with respect, while it's completely okay to laugh at how bad the Malaysian dub is?

Because nobody was saying anything about the Malaysion dub. And I've stated numerous times that I don't care if you respect the dub itself, simply that you respect that some people may like a different dub than you do.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:55 pm

Please don't make me have to bring up the the horrible Portugese dub just to prevent another dub argument.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:58 pm

Isn't this forum itself a testament to the fact that there's a hierarchy of fans? Old VegEx always slaps someone with the rules if they don't follow its particular brand. There's a reason for that.

Now, that doesn't mean they're better... but different, yes.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:50 am

Adamant wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:
We were only talking about the English and Japanese versions.
Apart from the fact that the Malaysian version is in English as well, that's exactly what I was asking. WHY are you only talking about those two versions? Why is it only that particular dub it's demanded everyone treat with respect, while it's completely okay to laugh at how bad the Malaysian dub is?

Because the Malaysian dub isn't their dub of choice or the one they prefer.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:11 am

I know, but why do the FUNi dub fans here "demand" the people who see the FUNi dub as the mockery of the series it is treat that dub with respect, while the Malaysian dub is free to be mocked by everyone? That's just plain double standards.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:15 am

Adamant wrote:I know, but why do the FUNi dub fans here "demand" the people who see the FUNi dub as the mockery of the series it is treat that dub with respect, while the Malaysian dub is free to be mocked by everyone? That's just plain double standards.

I'll tell you again, I don't care what people think of the dub itself, only that they respect the fact that people may like a different dub than they do.[/b]

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:16 am

Some dub's are just more important than others and have more supporters. I've never heard anyone support the Malaysian dub. Most people probably don't even know that a Malaysian dub even exists. Nobody cares. For years it's always been English dub vs Original. Autobots and Decepticons.

Post by **Herms** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:08 am

Chrono Trigger wrote:Some dub's are just more important than others and have more supporters. I've never heard anyone support the Malaysian dub. Most people probably don't even know that a Malaysian dub even exists. Nobody cares. For years it's always been English dub vs Original. Autobots and Decepticons.

Didn't one of the old threads on the Malaysian dub have one or two Malaysian fans talking about how they had nostalgic memories of that dub? Or am I thinking of another thread on some obscure dub?

Anyway, it's not true that it's been just English dub vs. Original. For one thing, there's about eighty zillion English dubs. And the majority of DragonBall fans are from non English-speaking countries and could care less about the various English dubs.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:41 am

Chrono Trigger wrote:For years it's always been English dub vs Original. Go bots vs. the Transformers.

Fixed.

Yup, I just compared the FUNimation dub to the Go-bots, they both try so hard to be cool, and they both fail miserably.