Probably the worst drawing in the Dragon Ball series ever...

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Post by Usingnero » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:13 pm

Tweaker wrote:Yeah, to try and respond to the initial post in the topic, I've noticed a lot of poorly drawn bits and pieces in the series, particularly in the early episodes. I think it's just part of the natural progression that occurs when a cartoon is on the air for so long--the more you draw something, the easier it gets, and the faster you'll be able to draw it.

I mean, look at the Simpsons--the initial animation was, quite frankly, horrible. But all the years that it's been on the air has given the animators valuable experience, and they were able to shell out high quality drawings in a very short period of time. You can really do the same thing with the Dragonball series. Take the first episode of DBZ and compare it to the last; you'll find a drastic improvement when it comes to overall style and quality.

And while I'm rather new to this community, it seems Gohan looking particularly stylish in that screenshot is a bit of a meme. I'll be sure to catch on soon enough. =P
I've noticed that as well, the most when it came to the first Super Saiya-jin transfromation compared to later ones. At times, Goku's hair was compleatly out of whack that I would just find myself laughing like no tomorrow :lol: .
BTW, you wouldnt happen to be the same Tweaker from Sonic 2 Beta/Sonic Retro would ya? I ask only because its not a common account name.
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Post by Tweaker » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:31 pm

Usingnero wrote:BTW, you wouldnt happen to be the same Tweaker from Sonic 2 Beta/Sonic Retro would ya? I ask only because its not a common account name.
That'd be me! I didn't really expect my "reputation" (or whatever) to follow me here, but I guess it's nice to see some people recognize me. :P

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Post by LeprikanGT » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:42 pm

the one of turles keeping gohans eyes open reminds me of kid goku when he attacked muscle tower when he was all bundled up in 'winter clothes'

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Post by Usingnero » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:55 pm

Tweaker wrote:
Usingnero wrote:BTW, you wouldnt happen to be the same Tweaker from Sonic 2 Beta/Sonic Retro would ya? I ask only because its not a common account name.
That'd be me! I didn't really expect my "reputation" (or whatever) to follow me here, but I guess it's nice to see some people recognize me. :P
I was never a part of that community, but I go visit it on a daily basis, I was on Cult/SCARZ for awhile though, under the name InsaneShadow331. Good to see ya hear though 8) .
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Post by backthen » Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:38 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote:[
Yep, Saban made tons of visual edits to the series (I know a hilarious video that features most of the best ones if you are interested) that were really unnecessary.

Oh my goodness, send me the link please.

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Post by Metalwario64 » Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:57 pm

Tweaker wrote:
Usingnero wrote:BTW, you wouldnt happen to be the same Tweaker from Sonic 2 Beta/Sonic Retro would ya? I ask only because its not a common account name.
That'd be me! I didn't really expect my "reputation" (or whatever) to follow me here, but I guess it's nice to see some people recognize me. :P
Heh, I didn't know you were a Dragon Ball Z fan!

Anyways, the I'm sure that shot looks bad because it was not meant to be zoomed in like it was. Cels usually look like that when they are meant to be farther away from the screen.
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Post by Rocketman » Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:58 pm

Tweaker wrote:I mean, look at the Simpsons--the initial animation was, quite frankly, horrible. But all the years that it's been on the air has given the animators valuable experience, and they were able to shell out high quality drawings in a very short period of time. You can really do the same thing with the Dragonball series. Take the first episode of DBZ and compare it to the last; you'll find a drastic improvement when it comes to overall style and quality.
Except they'd already been drawing these characters since the first episode of Dragonball. Some of the artists just outright suck. :P

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Post by Kunzait_83 » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:18 pm

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Come to naught at last he surely will!
Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
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Post by Tweaker » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:28 pm

Rocketman wrote:Except they'd already been drawing these characters since the first episode of Dragonball. Some of the artists just outright suck. :P
Well, I can't personally speak when it comes to how many different animators there were, or if there was anything specific to cause the quality shift from, say, the Cell Saga to the late Buu Saga, but what I do know is that it started looking a lot better. To me, anyway.
Don’t get me wrong when it was on, it was on and then some. But when it was off… even the worst Saiya-jin saga (or hell, even Ma Junior saga) animation looks like fucking Walt Disney next to a shitastically animated Cell saga ep, and I’m not even saying that in light of the frame that started this topic (which I’ve never noticed in over 15 years until this thread).
Well, when I said the end of the series, I meant the end of the series, not the Cell Saga. =P

But yeah, if you ask me, the Buu Saga is when things really started looking clean and defined. You compare that to the first episode of Dragonball and there's a tremendous difference, both in style and in execution. I don't consider myself an animation major, though, so my opinions are based solely on observation.

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Post by Kunzait_83 » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:48 pm

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Journey to the West, chapter 26 wrote:The strong man will meet someone stronger still:
Come to naught at last he surely will!
Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:It grinds my gears that people get "outraged" over any of this stuff. It's a fucking cartoon. If you are that determined to be angry about something, get off the internet and make a stand for something that actually matters.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.

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Post by fps_anth » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:49 pm

Oh man I saw the episode today XD

This just reminds me that some of the animation in the Cell Games episodes were fucking horrible...

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Post by Big Momma » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:41 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote: Don’t get me wrong when it was on, it was on and then some. But when it was off… even the worst Saiya-jin saga (or hell, even Ma Junior saga) animation looks like fucking Walt Disney next to a shitastically animated Cell saga ep, and I’m not even saying that in light of the frame that started this topic (which I’ve never noticed in over 15 years until this thread).
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If I'm not mistaken, some bad Cell arc animation even spawned an internet meme. "Imma chargin meh lazerz" anyone?
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Re: Probley the worst drawing in the DragonBall series ever.

Post by Castor Troy » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:07 am

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I am SO sigging this on another forum. :lol:

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Post by Velasa » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:56 pm

Big Momma wrote:If I'm not mistaken, some bad Cell arc animation even spawned an internet meme.
The horrifying art through so much of the Cell games is what killed the whole saga for me. God, I'm an animator- it makes my eyes bleed.
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Post by VegettoEX » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:01 pm

I actually picked up one of those little frames pictures from Suncoast maybe six or seven years ago. It's a shot (I think) of Goku, Kuririn, Piccolo, and Gohan after the Genki-Dama on Freeza just hanging out.

Except it's one of those similar in-between frames. And it looks gorgeously terrible. And they actually sold the stupid thing. For realz.

I have absolutely no idea where it is. It's probably packed in a box somewhere down at my parents' place. Next time I'm there I'll have to dig it up.
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Post by Velasa » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:10 pm

We have the exact same thing hanging on the wall in the basement. Somebody gave my older brotherm them years ago- Piccolo looks especially horrible, like they forgot to do half his lines.

Id take you a picture but our camera died < < we're getting a new one.
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Journey to the West, chapter 26 wrote:The strong man will meet someone stronger still:
Come to naught at last he surely will!
Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:It grinds my gears that people get "outraged" over any of this stuff. It's a fucking cartoon. If you are that determined to be angry about something, get off the internet and make a stand for something that actually matters.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.

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Post by omegacwa » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:26 pm

There are actually two art styles that come up during the Cell Games that I don't like at all. The "Jewel eyes" art style, and the "Overly Cartoony and Disproportionate" style.
An example of each is:
Jewel Eyes: The episode were Cell is powering up his kamehameha the entire episodes with flashbacks, it's the episode right before the episode were cell dies.
Cartoony Horrid Style: The episode where Goku gives up and picks Gohan to go next.

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Post by Velasa » Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:37 am

Kunzait_83 wrote: Really? The Cell Game?
Specifically Gohan vs Cell. There are two or three parts (Son dies, Gohan goes SSJ2, one point during the beam struggle) that are gorgeous, but instead of dropping down to the middle ground animation after those it immediately shifts back to utter crap. I'd pull up examples but I don't know how to screencap my dvds. Printscreen leaves me with a black void.

Cell seriously just needed to end when Son ported him. The logic that brings him back is such complete bullshit, and so much of the animation drags out and drops into shit.... it ruined it. The only redeeming thing at all in thart last part of the fight was when the others ran in to help him and Gohan started freaking the hell out.
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