Live-action movie trailer

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:03 pm

Nothing about that trailer is even remotely close to Power Rangers.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:04 pm

Dayspring wrote:Is it me, or did it give off the impression that it takes place on its own Earth? Kind of like how DB-Earth isn't our Earth. @Saiyan-Prof: Is becoming Raiden the result of the ending of the first Highlander movie?

Bah, do not get me started on why those idiots made a stupid decision in their choosing Adrian Paul over Lambert for the Highlander television series. Nevertheless, I guess a person has to eat especially when their primary source of income runs dry. Concerning the Dragonball movie, it has the same look as the Mortal Kombat motion picture or better yet a mix between that movie and the Matrix. I just hope that the actual film will be a lot better than what the trailer makes it out to be.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:20 pm

JulieYBM wrote: But the thing is DB is not set in the real world or even tries to look like it.

Our world doesn't have a Four Freedoms Plaza, or S.H.E.I.L.D floating over it, or Asgard settled in Oklahoma? I don't see a "Latveria" anywhere on the globe, either. Marvel's Earth may be more similar to ours than DragonBall's, but it's still not meant to be the same thing.

I wasn't even really referring to that, though. I was talking in terms of what's been changed/adapted and what hasn't. There's still plenty coming through to distinguish it as "DragonBall," but some changes are made for the update.

Like Piccolo and Green Goblin. Check this guy out. That's the Green Goblin in the Ultimate titles. He has no glider. He undergoes a physical transformation instead of donning green and purple tights and a mask. He generates fireballs from his hands instead of throwing pumpkin-shaped bombs. His origins are tweaked slightly to give him a closer and more personal connection to Ultimate Spidey.

All these differences, and I don't see anyone condemning him, or that series as a whole, for being "nothing like the original." What makes DragonBall so different, or deserving of such harsher standards?

As for Goku and Chi-Chi's romance... Something that's come to annoy me in these discussions is the idea that Goku is completely oblivious or ignorant to the concept of "love." Nothing could be farther from the truth. From the very beginning, it's what set him apart from other characters. He loves and cares for all his friends very deeply, and is willing to do just about anything, even allow his own death, to protect them. That's "love."

When it comes to love between a man and a woman, while it's different, it's still not like Goku is stupid or something and doesn't understand it. Until he ended up unexpectedly plopped into it with Chi-Chi, he had just never had been really exposed to that kind of love, the same way he had never seen a woman at all until he was 12. Obviously he cared greatly for Bulma from knowing and being close to her for several years, but they had always been more like a big sister and little brother than anything else.

When Chi-Chi came (back) into the picture, Goku didn't really "get" what she was trying to do and tell him. But only at first. Apparently, it didn't take long for her to "explain" it all to him, seeing as how barely five years later, we've got four-something-year-old Gohan. Goku was naive, but he's not stupid. He can come to understand things like love as easily as other people.

Both of them have their flaws and differing priorities, but it's obvious they came to love each other very much, even the initially clueless Goku. At least enough for us to have Goten sooner or later.

Chrono Trigger wrote:
SSJ Helldog said: Would you really want to see a live-action DB with talking animals? It works in manga, but it'd be lame on film.
No actually that's what everyone wants! See if this movie was made in Japan, Produced by Akira Toriyama, Co-Directed by Eiichiro Oda, Had an all Japanese cast that went and filmed the movie panel by panel like the manga, word for word, and had a soundtrack composed by Shunsuke Kikuchi, and then at the end had every voice actor from the anime go back and dub over every single real actors lines, then and ONLY then would this movie be everyone's bread and butter.

Then the other 95% of the human race would see it and say, "what the hell is this freaky stuff supposed to be?"

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:28 pm

SSJ Kaboom said: Then the other 95% of the human race would see it and say, "what the hell is this freaky stuff supposed to be?"

Yeah but then 95% of the people that hate the movie wouldn't hate it anymore either.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:29 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:
SSJ Kaboom said: Then the other 95% of the human race would see it and say, "what the hell is this freaky stuff supposed to be?"
Yeah but then 95% of the people that hate the movie wouldn't hate it anymore either.

So that means the movie would appeal to barely 5% of the population, instead of about 96% or 97%?

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:31 pm

Perhaps but the movie would be a "faithful" adaption and nobody couldn't complain because it would pretty much be Vol.1 and half of the manga. Just with real people.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:35 pm

Holy crap how did I not see this when I checked earlier, cool stuff although it didn't really show much.

At least now we all actually know this movie is being made and it's not just some elaborate hoax being put out by Fox

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:38 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:At least now we all actually know this movie is being made and it's not just some elaborate hoax being put out by Fox

Heh, that's not as funny as you think it is. You wouldn't believe some of the conspiracy theories I've heard in other places.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:38 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:Like Piccolo and Green Goblin. Check this guy out. That's the Green Goblin in the Ultimate titles. He has no glider. He undergoes a physical transformation instead of donning green and purple tights and a mask. He generates fireballs from his hands instead of throwing pumpkin-shaped bombs. His origins are tweaked slightly to give him a closer and more personal connection to Ultimate Spidey.

All these differences, and I don't see anyone condemning him, or that series as a whole, for being "nothing like the original." What makes DragonBall so different, or deserving of such harsher standards?

I really know so little about American comics, as I can't stand stories that refuse to end, but wasn't most of that stuff that was changed for the Ultimate series left in for the Spider-man movie?
I've already posted about why I'd hold a manga or book adaption to different standards than an American comic. Hell, the fact that you're bringing in both the standard and Ultimate edition to validate your argument kind of proves my point.

I'm sure you'll get to see Ultimate Dragonball soon if this movie doesn't bomb, but until then, there's only one storyline. That's why the adaption should be held to higher "standards".

People would've thrown a fit if they took the giants and trolls out of Harry Potter, left his parents alive until he was 18 and then involved some bullshit plot about planets aligning, eclipses and fighting Voldemort in a volcano.

It's not really "harsh standards", it's what a fan should expect from an adaption of their favorite novel, and I'd say the linear storyline format of a manga series is more akin to a book than an American comic.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:40 pm

So MisterFlashDude are you saying they should have made a Live Action Movie that started from Vol. 1 of the manga and hopefully from that point to Pilaf they could have made a 3 hour adaption? Giant talking bears with swords and all?

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:42 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:So MisterFlashDude are you saying they should have made a Live Action Movie that started from Vol. 1 of the manga and hopefully from that point to Pilaf they could have made a 3 hour adaption? Giant talking bears with swords and all?

No, you don't need to include every minute detail. You have to leave out the "Tom Bombadils" of Dragonball, but there really isn't any reason that the movie couldn't have started with Bulma stumbling on Goku alone in the mountains and going on from there.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:44 pm

MisterFlashDude said: No, you don't need to include every minute detail. You have to leave out the "Tom Bombadils" of Dragonball, but there really isn't any reason that the movie couldn't have started with Bulma stumbling on Goku alone in the mountains and going on from there.

I don't know I just don't see the Pilaf arc being very marketable. You know they're only in it for the money.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:46 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:Nothing about that trailer is even remotely close to Power Rangers.

OK, then.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:50 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:I don't know I just don't see the Pilaf arc being very marketable. You know they're only in it for the money.

It wouldn't have been that difficult to write a plot that blended the Pilaf, Red Ribbon, and Piccolo storylines together. Pilaf could've been involved exactly the way he was in the manga, by being the idiot who frees Piccolo. Instead of some eclipse.
And you can't look at Gollum and tell me they can't make a retarded little gremlin for the Dragonball movie.

But it doesn't really matter. It's all "could've been" now.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:54 pm

Oliver Hague said : OK, then.

It doesn't. If I could I'd look you right in the eyes and say that shit with a straight face!

MisterFlashDude said: It wouldn't have been that difficult to write a plot that blended the Pilaf, Red Ribbon, and Piccolo storylines together. Pilaf could've been involved exactly the way he was in the manga, by being the idiot who frees Piccolo. instead of some eclipse.
And you can't look at Gollum and tell me they can't make a retarded little gremlin for the Dragonball movie.

I think it would be a little hard to do something like that. I also think even if it was like that people would still find something to complain about. You can't please everybody. I don't believe they can take 153 episodes/ 16 volumes and make a movie out of it. Even if they did it would be way to busy and complicated for the average person. I think it would be cool if they did do it like that but still it wouldn't do each individual character justice.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:55 pm

Piccolo was chosen because he's recognizable.
Personally? I woulda gone the Path to Power route, with the Red Ribbon Army as Goku's first enemy.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:05 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:Like Piccolo and Green Goblin. Check this guy out. That's the Green Goblin in the Ultimate titles. He has no glider. He undergoes a physical transformation instead of donning green and purple tights and a mask. He generates fireballs from his hands instead of throwing pumpkin-shaped bombs. His origins are tweaked slightly to give him a closer and more personal connection to Ultimate Spidey.

All these differences, and I don't see anyone condemning him, or that series as a whole, for being "nothing like the original." What makes DragonBall so different, or deserving of such harsher standards?

Please don't drag Ultimate Marvel into this. Some of us Marvel geeks DO in fact think that it utterly blows, serves absolutely no point in existing whatsoever, and makes an art form out of completely and thoroughly missing the entire point of numerous classic characters on a regular, almost habitual basis.

Why and how it is that so many comic fans have come to dutifully line up to drink down that bit of Kool Aid, I’ll never know… but then that’s a WHOLE other topic not related to Dragon Ball in the least bit.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:07 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:You mean you think that it's a fake...?

Uh, no. The trailer that was shown at cons and for promos of spiderman 3 that got leaked on the net was not the final trailer, nor did it ever appear in theaters, I am pretty sure that's what I said.

Also, I am pretty sure they are trying to get to Z as fast as possible without completely ditching Dragon Ball, so they had to sacrifice most of Dragonball's story to do so. Maybe the Z adaptation will be more faithful, since that's what they probably wanted to do in the first place.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:09 pm

omegacwa said : Also, I am pretty sure they are trying to get to Z as fast as possible without completely ditching Dragon Ball, so they had to sacrifice most of Dragonball's story to do so. Maybe the Z adaptation will be more faithful, since that's what they probably wanted to do in the first place.

That's basically how it is. I bet you anything if this first movie is successful enough for them to green light a sequel, it will be much better than this one. They'll take their time filming it and take more chances as far as direction and story goes.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:10 pm

Well, this trailer's definitely real. Got pulled due to copyright.