Live-action movie trailer

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:14 pm

Seems a bit sexist that you guys only want the female characters in this movie to do nothing (like in the anime).

LOL.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:16 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:Also, note that she's freaking out the entire time she's holding her little pea-shooter and drops it immediately afterwards.

She's freaking because Goku just picked up her car and threw it, and she dropped it because he just stood up from getting shot in the forehead.

(Note: has not watched that clip, is going off the manga)

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:19 pm

JAPPO wrote:Seems a bit sexist

Dragon Ball? Yes, kinda.
But hey, I'm not worried: I'm sure the movie version will be sexist in its own way.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:20 pm

Bulma kicking some ass is an improvement, if you ask me.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:23 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:Bulma kicking some ass is an improvement, if you ask me.

Looking like Lara Croft though, twin guns blazing? I could do without that...

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:32 pm

As long as there's some boobage I could care less if it's sexist, it's only a movie.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:35 pm

JAPPO wrote:Seems a bit sexist that you guys only want the female characters in this movie to do nothing (like in the anime).

LOL.

Every character? I want Bulma to not look like a Bond-girl reject.

Let Chi-chi kick ass. Let Mai attempt to kick ass and fall on her face.

I think you're over compensating in an attempt at avoiding accusations of sexism by making every leading woman into a fighter at the expense of the character.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:39 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:Bulma kicking some ass is an improvement, if you ask me.
Looking like Lara Croft though...

Hmm...

Yeah, I'm not seeing the problem. Bulma keeps her original character of being shallow and slutty, but she also gets to kick some ass.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:42 pm

Rocketman wrote:I'm not seeing the problem.

I think giant boobs are obstructing your view.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:43 pm

Hey, I happen to like Bulma being all Agent-ish. She was freaking out because Goku survived when she shot him, that's why. I'd love to see that in the movie, but that's so unlikely.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:47 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:
Rocketman wrote:I'm not seeing the problem.
I think giant boobs are obstructing your view.

I still don't see the problem. XD

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:48 pm

Why exactly is physical attractiveness an excuse for poor character design again? Are we in 5th grade here?

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:50 pm

All I know is that the females in this movie look hot and actually DO something as opposed to being there just to be annoying (like Bulma dub).

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:08 pm

Acid_Reign wrote:Why exactly is physical attractiveness an excuse for poor character design again? Are we in 5th grade here?

Why is it poor character design?

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:14 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:Every character? I want Bulma to not look like a Bond-girl reject.

Let Chi-chi kick ass. Let Mai attempt to kick ass and fall on her face.

I think you're over compensating in an attempt at avoiding accusations of sexism by making every leading woman into a fighter at the expense of the character.

My response to your first reply to me is this: my point is that she carried a side arm, and that she traveled a dangerous landscape full of bandits, monsters, and dinosaurs without protection prior to meeting Goku. The sheer notion of her having a gun and knowing how to aim it is not, in and of itself, a ruination of Toriyama's sacred bible.

Unless I missed something crucial, which is possible given how fast these fucking threads grow every time I take a second to live life, I think you're overreacting.

Bulma holding a gun and not freaking out =/= fighter. I agree with Rocketman. They can toughen her up a bit (she was whiny as hell in the Pilaf Saga) without destroying her character. Do we know the context of that picture you posted for me? If she's holding that gun on Piccolo with that bad ass expression, then yes- I 100% agree with you. When the big bad shows up, Bulma gets out of Goku's way (as she basically should, what with his super powers and all). But that could be her first meeting/misunderstanding with Goku, a bad run in with Yamcha, or just some random thugs/bandits for all I can tell.

Acid_Reign wrote:Why exactly is physical attractiveness an excuse for poor character design again? Are we in 5th grade here?

That's a matter of opinion. I think the ladies look better than Chatku (I'm sorry, I just look at him and see the god-awful movie "The Invisible"), Blondie-bear Yamcha and Palecollo.

Ok, Mai looks a little silly. But she's got a goofy jetpack and a silly, inpractical, cleavage-showing top, making her possibly the most "light-hearted shonen manga"-looking character in the bunch.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:24 pm

Onikage725 wrote:Unless I missed something crucial, which is possible given how fast these fucking threads grow every time I take a second to live life, I think you're overreacting.

Am I really? I said I don't like Agent Bulma and that I don't believe I'm sexist for having that opinion.

Now, if I were to, say, post a video on youtube, ranting about... uh...

Onikage725 wrote:The sheer notion of her having a gun and knowing how to aim it is not, in and of itself, a ruination of Toriyama's sacred bible.

Yeah, that... Then I'd be over reacting.

Fortunately, I'm not one of the people who think this movie will ruin Dragonball as a whole, only that I personally don't find it, or Agent Bulma, appealing.

Q.E.D, I think you're over reacting to my reaction.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:47 pm

Rocketman wrote:Why is it poor character design?

It’s just that, anytime anyone points out a perceived deficit with a female character, everyone who disagrees basically responds with “lol eyecandy,” as if that somehow absolves any given flaws they might have.

Onikage725 wrote:That's a matter of opinion. I think the ladies look better than Chatku (I'm sorry, I just look at him and see the god-awful movie "The Invisible"), Blondie-bear Yamcha and Palecollo.

Ok, Mai looks a little silly. But she's got a goofy jetpack and a silly, inpractical, cleavage-showing top, making her possibly the most "light-hearted shonen manga"-looking character in the bunch.

I find the cleavage-showing to be more exploitative than “silly.” Not that I particularly mind cleavage in its own right, but it’s an obvious cop-out on who the character really is so that the movie can cash in on sex appeal. In the series, Mai probably dresses the least suggestively of any other character. I mean really, is this supposed to be the same person we see in the trailer?

Furthermore, the whole mood of the movie seems to be overly serious, not at all the “light-hearted shōnen” style which I would otherwise expect.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:04 pm

Acid_Reign wrote:It’s just that, anytime anyone points out a perceived deficit with a female character, everyone who disagrees basically responds with “lol eyecandy,” as if that somehow absolves any given flaws they might have.

In large part, I do it because whatever their 'flaws', the women in Dragonball The Movie have way, way, waaaaaaaaaaaaay more role than the women in original Dragonball.

Normally, I'm not the kinda guy to bitch about that sort of thing, aside from lamenting ChiChi being brushed aside as rapidly as she showed up. What's done is done, hell, I think the manga is older than I am. But in a new adaption of the series... honestly, if they make Bulma less of a whiny useless bitch and more of an action girl, that's a freaking improvement.

Furthermore, the whole mood of the movie seems to be overly serious, not at all the “light-hearted shōnen” style which I would otherwise expect.

I'm not sure which King Piccolo Saga you were watching, but I don't recall a lot of ROFL-worthy moments.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:17 pm

I for one can't wait until we see the CGI. Notice no CGI was in that trailer. They are saving it.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:18 pm

JAPPO wrote:I for one can't wait until we see the CGI. Notice no CGI was in that trailer. They are saving it.

The Fireball was CGI, the Kamehameha was definitely CGI.

If it was a Kamehameha, I mean, c'mon, Roshi shooting a blue energy wave...?

It happens just before "ROSHI" appears on the screen, after "MAI".