Live-action movie trailer

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:45 am

Chrono Trigger wrote:Well if they made a bad trailer I guess we can assume that the movie will be much better because logically... >_>

I can think of plenty of films with bad trailers that wound up being good. And vice versa- plenty of movies I was psyched to see based on pre-release advertisement, only to be let down.

MorningBreeze wrote:Do you all reckon the producers and actors realize how outraged the fandom is? Like... I wonder if Chatwin realizes how bad a verbal beating he's getting across the net. Sometimes I feel kinda bad for the guy.

If you really think about it, if actors knew how much dissaproval the whole thing is earning they'd probably be struck with embarrasment. Poor people, didn't know what they were agreeing to.

I don't think they care too much. At least not the Hollywood crowd.
Our concept of "the fans," as defined by the few dozen people we post with on certain forums and/or talk to IRL is a very small percentage of what's out there. We may be more vocal than casual-types, and our views are immortalized on the net, but when it comes time to count tickets or take a ratings poll we're just a drop in the bucket.

Captain Awesome wrote:It's a well established fact now that people here who dislike the live action movie are just bitching because they have nothing better to do. It doesn't matter how many well thought out posts are made that show their reasonings for their dislike, the pro movie crowd and their flawless argument of "You're all just a bunch of negative nancies!" will always be correct.

Like how people were pissy about the characters names in the trailer, and completely ignored when I pointed out that Sin City did the same thing? Yeah, that door doesn't swing both ways or anything.

And is anyone really playing that card anymore? It seems like people are basically just debating. This is a forum, last time I checked. Offering point and counterpoint is somewhat expected.

Olivier Hague wrote: If you can't stay entirely faithful to the original material, you have to come up with an original story! There's just no other way! Did Peter Jackson keep the "One Ring" plot? I don't think so!

Y'know, it's the strangest thing! My friend was all "we should watch some Dragon Ball" and he put in these DVDs, right? And I was expecting like Goku to be all grins and jokes all over the place, you know? But there were these monsters killing people, and this demon guy named Piccolo trying to take over, and Goku didn't look too happy about it. I'm not sure what crazy fan-parody my friend had his hands on, but it blew my mind!

>.>

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:10 am

Victator Supreme wrote:2. If it were going by its original title of High School Musical 4: Bloodsport 7.

Comments like this are not only clichéd at this point, but also blatantly ignorant and inappropriate. Such a title would suggest the entire story is set in or focused around a high school, which is completely untrue. Ten minutes in a high school does not somehow negate the vast amount of other plot elements that are right at home in the world and mythos of DragonBall.

Remix · Post by **Remix** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:20 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
Victator Supreme wrote:2. If it were going by its original title of High School Musical 4: Bloodsport 7.
Comments like this are not only clichéd at this point, but also blatantly ignorant and inappropriate. Such a title would suggest the entire story is set in or focused around a high school, which is completely untrue. Ten minutes in a high school does not somehow negate the vast amount of other plot elements that are right at home in the world and mythos of DragonBall.

Well, it is somewhat appropriate. The title suggests the movie will be bad.

ZING!

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:39 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
Victator Supreme wrote:2. If it were going by its original title of High School Musical 4: Bloodsport 7.
Comments like this are not only clichéd at this point, but also blatantly ignorant and inappropriate. Such a title would suggest the entire story is set in or focused around a high school, which is completely untrue. Ten minutes in a high school does not somehow negate the vast amount of other plot elements that are right at home in the world and mythos of DragonBall.

Does not change the fact it has the production values if a direct to dvd Bloodsport sequal. Its pretty obvious at this point this movie will have as much to do with Dragonball as Kickboxer 5 does with Kickboxer.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:34 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:Does not change the fact it has the production values if a direct to dvd Bloodsport sequal. Its pretty obvious at this point this movie will have as much to do with Dragonball as Kickboxer 5 does with Kickboxer.

Not exactly. You know, stating an opinion is one thing. Stating one as fact is another. And this is unnecessary. A crappy sequal to a series of films =/= a movie adaptation of a manga story arc that maintains some aspects of the original and deviates in other aspects.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:45 pm

I don't see how anyone can dis the special effects. Even aside from the fact that those we saw in the promo might not be the final versions, those waves of ki looked pretty damn good. Explosions looked a little cheesy, but not nearly "Power Rangers"-level.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:39 pm

tinlunlau wrote:
omegacwa wrote:
tinlunlau wrote:No, no, no, no, no!!!!!
This movie is going to bomb. Curse Hollywood for not letting Asian filmakers make a live action Dragonball the way it's meant to be made. I can't believe Chow Yun-Fat skipped out on John Woo's Red Cliff films (which was actually pretty good, by the way) for this piece of shit!
I hate to say the same thing AGAIN, but please reserve comments like this until you have, you know, seen the movie. Comments like that are fine if they are your honest opinion based on actually seeing the movie, and even then they are immature.

I liked Spiderman3, even though it wasn't all that great. But I knew tons of people who were like "man that movie fucking sucked" but when I asked them why they felt that way they had no explanation. Even I, who liked the movie, could point out more flaws then they could.
I've been doing work for the Hong Kong film industry for a few years now. I know my movies well. But it goes to show that to have a film adaptation deviate so much from its source material is pretty much offending to loyal fans of the franchise. Chow Yun-Fat is not fit for the role. He's too "handsome" to portray Kame-sennin. (Although I do admit that lewd and perverted characters is nothing new to Chow Yun-Fat. Refer to his older films with Wong Jing on that one.) In fact, he has even openly stated that he has never read or seen any of the Dragonball series at all. I can't exactly show you the source of that statement but he has confirmed it to Hong Kong press.

As much as John Woo's Red Cliff was enjoyable, even that film had some inconsistencies with the real history of the 3 kingdoms era battle. But at least, John Woo had spent the time to do his research and keep many aspects as faithful as possible. But this Dragonball film? Doesn't seem like they bothered to do the research at all. I am not impressed and my opinions shall remain the same. Chow Yun-Fat shoulda done Red Cliff instead of stooping low enough for this B flick.

See, was that so hard?

Anyway. I am still looking forward to this movie, a couple nights ago I was having insomnia, so I was just sitting up thinking about a lot of stuff, and I was thinking about how this movie could end up being really cool, even if it deviates a lot. This is also when I came up with my idea for a Dragonball movie, which I am going to start working on soon, once my schedule is freed up a bit.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:46 pm

Has everyone here seen the movie already or something?

Give a more detailed review, if so! Not just "this movie has bad production values." Too vague.

Oh... but if you haven't seen the movie, then basing it on a teaser trailer is kinda fucking retarded.

Cypher · Post by **Cypher** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:55 pm

As 'fucking retarded' as saying that the animated feature from the other thread, Kosuke-sama and Rikimaru-sama, 'looks like ass' based on a VHS cover...? Or as 'fucking retarded' as saying that the villains in the new DragonBall special look like 'recycled crap' based on a few shots...? Just wondering.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:59 pm

Cypher wrote:As 'fucking retarded' as saying that the animated feature from the other thread, Kosuke-sama and Rikimaru-sama, 'looks like ass' based on a VHS cover...? Or as 'fucking retarded' as saying that the villains in the new DragonBall special look like 'recycled crap' based on a few shots...? Just wondering.

They don't look recycled to you? Looks like a cross between Dodoria and Majin Buu.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:03 pm

Jappo, please. I understand this whole subject's probably got you really stressed out, since you do manage a whole site about it, which has exploded in popularity and traffic since it was created.

But please try to discuss it in a more polite and less personal manner. The constant insults and harshness from both "sides" is getting tiring. Even if "they" started it, two wrongs don't make a right. Answering anger and foul language with more anger and foul language doesn't get anyone anywhere.

Cypher · Post by **Cypher** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:04 pm

I'm not saying I can't see your point at all (although I do think the designs for Abo and Kado reflect Toriyama's more recent art style which just about makes it a bit original in my opinion), it's just that for all the 'looking on the bright side' you're doing with regard to this movie (and I'm not challenging your right to do so) couldn't you give the same benefit of the doubt to animated productions which are actually more closely based on Toriyama's works? I just thought your comments that I mentioned in my previous post seemed rather defensive, as if to say 'well, the live-action movie may not be all that, but look at THIS shit!'; sort of strengthening the live-action movie's case by undermining other legitimate productions. That was just my impression on reading your posts in those topics, sorry if it's off the mark.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:04 pm

Cypher wrote:As 'fucking retarded' as saying that the animated feature from the other thread, Kosuke-sama and Rikimaru-sama, 'looks like ass' based on a VHS cover...? Or as 'fucking retarded' as saying that the villains in the new DragonBall special look like 'recycled crap' based on a few shots...? Just wondering.

I believe if this were a Yo Moma contest the response to this would be

"AAAAWWWW SNAP! NO YOU DII'IN"

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:07 pm

Cypher wrote:I'm not saying I can't see your point at all (although I do think the designs for Abo and Kado do reflect Toriyama's more recent art style which just about makes it a bit original in my opinion), it's just that for all the 'looking on the bright side' you're doing with regard to this movie (and I'm not challenging your right to do so) couldn't you give the same benefit of the doubt to animated productions which are actually more closely based on Toriyama's works? I just thought your comments that I mentioned in my previous post seemed rather defensive, as if to say 'well, the live-action movie may not be all that, but look at THIS shit!'; sort of strengthening the live-action movie's case by undermining other legitimate productions...that's just my opinion.

I just dislike the idea of continuing the anime. I thought it should have ended with dignity but it doesn't seem to want to.

DragonBall is far superior to DBZ in my opinion, and the series stopped being great after Freeza.

The live-action movie is telling the earlier stories with a unique, fresh twist on it. Which I can live with.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:13 pm

JAPPO wrote:I just dislike the idea of continuing the anime. I thought it should have ended with dignity but it doesn't seem to want to.

Except the anime is not being “continued”. It’s just a one off special, almost like a ten year reunion or something to that effect like a lot of other long running shows sometimes do for a lark many years after ending. It’s not like this is a brand new series or anything like that. It seems like something simply made to be harmless fun and classic Toriyama gag shenanigans, nothing more. You make it sound like it’s the next GT or something.

And frankly, if that trailer for the live action movie did anything for me, it only made me look forward to the new special that much more instead.

Cypher · Post by **Cypher** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:13 pm

JAPPO- I do see your point, and your opinion is fair enough. Personally I think a new animated production could be decent, but I don't think this special will be as good as it could have been (e.g. I don't really want to see Gotenks fighting over Goku and/or Vegeta- cue people saying 'but they always fight'- yeah, but it's just my personal thoughts). I'm reserving judgement on the live-action movie; I'll probably either see it in the cinema or buy the DVD, if only to be able to form an opinion either way.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:15 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:
JAPPO wrote:I just dislike the idea of continuing the anime. I thought it should have ended with dignity but it doesn't seem to want to.
Except the anime is not being “continued”. It’s just a one off special, almost like a ten year reunion or something to that effect like a lot of other long running shows sometimes do for a lark many years after ending. It’s not like this is a brand new series or anything like that. It seems like something simply made to be harmless fun and classic Toriyama gag shenanigans, nothing more. You make it sound like it’s the next GT or something.

And frankly, if that trailer did anything for me, it only made me look forward to the new special that much more instead.

Yeah, GT is unforgivable. I lost all interest in the series for about a year or two after I saw GT.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:29 pm

If the original as is ain't broken, why fix it?

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:42 pm

JulieYBM wrote:If the original as is ain't broken, why fix it?
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I'm going to assume you're talking about the film.

Well, for the sake of debate, I'll say that we've SEEN the original already. Why are we excited about the new special? Because it IS new.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:13 pm

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:If the original as is ain't broken, why fix it?
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I'm going to assume you're talking about the film.

Well, for the sake of debate, I'll say that we've SEEN the original already. Why are we excited about the new special? Because it IS new.

Yeah, I'm talking about changes the LA film made to the characters and world. Heck, as a whole the original universe wasn't broken.

If people want more DB that's what the special was for.

Anyhow, is Shueisha listed in the credits of the trailer or anything at all?