Tenshinhan is not a human?

Yamcha_krillin · Post by **Yamcha_krillin** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:40 am

Is this true?

I saw a video online where it says that in the Daizenshu it's was stated that Tien is not a human.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:53 am

He's human. Even the Saiyans are human.
He descends from three-eyed aliens, that's all.

Zuhalter2000 · Post by **Zuhalter2000** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:06 am

Olivier Hague wrote:He's human. Even the Saiyans are human.
He descends from three-eyed aliens, that's all.

How does that even make sense? They are all humanoid but not human.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:25 am

It makes sense in the context of Dragon Ball, where humans can be found on other planets.
Humans/ningen != Earthlings/Chikyûjin

Post by **Herms** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:29 am

Basically, in DragonBall ningen, the Japanese word for "human", is used to describe all humanoid, mortal beings. So for instance the Saiyans are described as ningen by the themselves and others. It has nothing to do with what planet anyone is from. Then chikyuujin/Earthling is used to describe people from Earth. Daizenshuu 4 and 7 say Tenshinhan is descended from aliens, but still classify him as an Earthling, presumably because he's so distantly descended that he's mostly an Earthling.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:59 pm

Herms wrote:Basically, in DragonBall ningen, the Japanese word for "human", is used to describe all humanoid, mortal beings. So for instance the Saiyans are described as ningen by the themselves and others. It has nothing to do with what planet anyone is from. Then chikyuujin/Earthling is used to describe people from Earth. Daizenshuu 4 and 7 say Tenshinhan is descended from aliens, but still classify him as an Earthling, presumably because he's so distantly descended that he's mostly an Earthling.

I wonder what their reason for that was. Would it not make more sense to at least imply he's descended from the monster clan of DB-Earth Humans?

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:44 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:He descends from three-eyed aliens, that's all.

You got that from the Season booklet right? The one that calls him Tien...

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:49 pm

The Time Traveller wrote:
Olivier Hague wrote:He descends from three-eyed aliens, that's all.
You got that from the Season booklet right? The one that calls him Tien...

Actually, it's from one of the Daizenshuu. The Season Set booklet(s) may have listed it as well.

Yamcha_krillin · Post by **Yamcha_krillin** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:37 pm

So it was not contradcited by the manga.

Wow i never knew that he is a descendat from an alien race,that's kinda cool.

Sprite Satan · Post by **Sprite Satan** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:45 pm

One of the Sparking!/Budokai Tenkaichi games also mentions it.

It's a weird tidbit to have floating out there. I'm not particularly fond of it, but there you go.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:06 pm

Sprite Satan wrote:One of the Sparking!/Budokai Tenkaichi games also mentions it.

It's a weird tidbit to have floating out there. I'm not particularly fond of it, but there you go.

I wonder if it was mentioned in a Weekly Jump article or something.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:23 pm

If we're gonna talk about Tennshinhan not being human, we should bring up his partner in crime Chaozu. What does the Daizenshuu say about him and his origins?

DBHighDefinition · Post by **DBHighDefinition** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:30 pm

Forgotten Hero wrote:If we're gonna talk about Tennshinhan not being human, we should bring up his partner in crime Chaozu. What does the Daizenshuu say about him and his origins?

That he's a circus reject. And have you ever wondered what him and Tenshinhan do together? Well, that's why Chaozu is white...

Sorry, i couldn't resist.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:32 pm

Forgotten Hero wrote:If we're gonna talk about Tennshinhan not being human, we should bring up his partner in crime Chaozu. What does the Daizenshuu say about him and his origins?

Nothing that we don't already know (for daizenshuu 7, at least). I really wish the daizenshuu explained that they were monsters (as the breakdown of people on Earth is animals, humans and monsters). Then everything would be simple instead of random.

Or, in Chaozu's case, creepy as all fuck. I swear, he's like the collectible Chinese doll equivalent of Chucky!

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:05 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
The Time Traveller wrote:
Olivier Hague wrote:He descends from three-eyed aliens, that's all.
You got that from the Season booklet right? The one that calls him Tien...
Actually, it's from one of the Daizenshuu. The Season Set booklet(s) may have listed it as well.

Yeah, it says it in the Season Set booklet.

But oddly enough they took it from the Daizenshuu.

Anyway, Tenshinhan is indeed human. The only thing in question is his ancestry. To this I say, why not? Tenshinhan having three eyed alien ancestors isn't much of a stretch of internal logic.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:24 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:Actually, it's from one of the Daizenshuu. The Season Set booklet(s) may have listed it as well.

Yep, the season set booklets say that too, and that is probably the thing I am most impressed about regarding the season sets as a whole.

Yamcha_krillin wrote:So it was not contradcited by the manga.

Nope! I think it's cool that gave us that little bit, but it only makes us wonder more about Chaozu and everyone else's heritage. I guess it's saying something when they can come up with an ancestry for a three eyed guy who can grow extra limbs but they can't come up with anything for Chaozu.

And here's a cool little pagethat I just had to link to. It is about Tenshinhan's race and heritage and uses completely canonical sources and information! It is a part of the coolest Tien shrine ever: Three's the Charm.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:36 pm

I guess they "assumed" it was obvious enough that Chaozu might have been based off a Kyonshi.

Dark Vegeta-Sama · Post by **Dark Vegeta-Sama** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:54 pm

DBHighDefinition wrote:
Forgotten Hero wrote:If we're gonna talk about Tennshinhan not being human, we should bring up his partner in crime Chaozu. What does the Daizenshuu say about him and his origins?
That he's a circus reject. And have you ever wondered what him and Tenshinhan do together? Well, that's why Chaozu is white...

Sorry, i couldn't resist.

Which would make Tenshinhan a child molester, since for some fucked up reason Chaozu never grew up.

Yowch. Adds a whole new dimension to the show now. Keep that guy the hell away from Gohan.

kinoko · Post by **kinoko** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:27 pm

Dark Vegeta-Sama wrote:
DBHighDefinition wrote:
Forgotten Hero wrote:If we're gonna talk about Tennshinhan not being human, we should bring up his partner in crime Chaozu. What does the Daizenshuu say about him and his origins?
That he's a circus reject. And have you ever wondered what him and Tenshinhan do together? Well, that's why Chaozu is white...

Sorry, i couldn't resist.
Which would make Tenshinhan a child molester, since for some fucked up reason Chaozu never grew up.

Yowch. Adds a whole new dimension to the show now. Keep that guy the hell away from Gohan.

Yes..... um, let's please try to stay away from comments of this nature, as they are neither funny nor canon. Kthnx.

Dark Vegeta-Sama · Post by **Dark Vegeta-Sama** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:21 pm

kinoko wrote:
Dark Vegeta-Sama wrote:
DBHighDefinition wrote: That he's a circus reject. And have you ever wondered what him and Tenshinhan do together? Well, that's why Chaozu is white...

Sorry, i couldn't resist.
Which would make Tenshinhan a child molester, since for some fucked up reason Chaozu never grew up.

Yowch. Adds a whole new dimension to the show now. Keep that guy the hell away from Gohan.
Yes..... um, let's please try to stay away from comments of this nature, as they are neither funny nor canon. Kthnx.

Admit it, I said something about your favorite character that you didn't like. I get it.

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