Tenshinhan is not a human?

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:17 pm

Well the site says it's from Daiz 7. I don't know though. I think it's a part of "Goku's rivals" or something.

Herms wrote: Crap, it does say that, even in the Japanese. Sorry then.

Na, it was my bad, I posted the wrong link and wrong scan the first time.

Post by **Herms** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:42 pm

Drunken Master wrote:Well the site says it's from Daiz 7. I don't know though. I think it's a part of "Goku's rivals" or something.

Hmm...well, there's no section dedicated to Goku's rivals in Daizenshuu 7, or any other daizenshuu. There is however a section like that in DragonBall Landmark.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:56 pm

But...hasn't the Daizenshuu had stuff written into it that's contradictory or sometimes incorrect with what we've seen and read? Battle powers being one of them.

I thought Tenshinhan's third eye was a symbol of him having reached enlightenment through his training. o_O

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:55 pm

Tsukento wrote:But...hasn't the Daizenshuu had stuff written into it that's contradictory or sometimes incorrect with what we've seen and read? Battle powers being one of them.

I thought Tenshinhan's third eye was a symbol of him having reached enlightenment through his training. o_O

Yeah... though someone posted earlier in this thread that they doubted 22nd budokai Tenshinhan was 'enlightened'... which makes sense, I suppose, since at that point he was still hoping to follow in the footsteps of Taopaipai...

It seems like Tenshinhan's abilities involve a lot of body modification and being able to tell quite a lot with his third eye; I wonder if maybe his ancestors weren't human at all, but some brutally adaptive shapeshifters who eventually became compatable with humans while hanging out with them...
... Meh, but such is a subject for fanfiction.

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:08 am

Tsukento wrote:But...hasn't the Daizenshuu had stuff written into it that's contradictory or sometimes incorrect with what we've seen and read? Battle powers being one of them.

Well, I've only come across the Raditz power level, which honestly just seems like a typo. It could be a general error, or something to do with a number pad, seeing as how 5 and 2 are right next to each other. It puts him at 1,500. But also, in the manga Nappa says that the Saibamen are equal to Raditz, over 1,200. Who knows though. 1,500 could be Raditz short burst power.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:39 am

Drunken Master wrote:in the manga Nappa says that the Saibamen are equal to Raditz, over 1,200.

And I don't think they really say "equal to" in the Japanese version either... 'Not 100% sure (it's been a while since I last read that part), but...

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:36 am

Olivier Hague wrote:And I don't think they really say "equal to" in the Japanese version either... 'Not 100% sure (it's been a while since I last read that part), but...

Looking at the Viz translation, this is exactly what Nappa says:

It's impossible...! The cultivars' power is over 1200...! Equal to Raditz, every one of them...!

Post by **Herms** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:48 am

The word used in Japanese, hitteki suru, means more like "to rival" or "be in the same league as" than mathematical equalness.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:24 am

Yes, that's what I thought (thank you). Which is why I never understood why people were so mad about the Raditz / Saibaimen thing in the Daizenshû...

EDIT: Now I know why this argument sounded familiar...

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:37 pm

So is the DragonBall Landmark is as official as the Daizenshuu?

EDIT

Nevermind, just read that Shueisha made it, so it has to be.

Post by **Herms** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:56 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:EDIT: Now I know why this argument sounded familiar...

This stuff kind of circles in on itself after awhile, doesn't it?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:09 pm

Herms wrote:The word used in Japanese, hitteki suru, means more like "to rival" or "be in the same league as" than mathematical equalness.

Mmm... I still prefer that to mean they're all in the 1200s. It works with "to rival" as well as "in the same league as," and makes more sense than 1500 for Radditz. Besides, Radditz's bio and the saibamen item description both say 1200 or 1200s.

temujin · Post by **temujin** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:19 pm

Oops, that was the wrong scan anyhow.
http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... 025ur9.jpg

This one ^ says he was born with the ability.

The second scan is correct and belongs to the french edition.

and that his ancestors saw the ability as a good technique to incorporate into there fighting style, so they did.

Again the second scan showed by drunken master in french says
that.

Post by **Herms** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:50 pm

temujin wrote:
and that his ancestors saw the ability as a good technique to incorporate into there fighting style, so they did.
Again the second scan showed by drunken master in french says
that.

If that's what it says, then it's something the French edition added in. All the original says about the connection between the Shiyouken and the Three-Eyed People is that the Shiyouken is "a technique that takes advantage of the special abilities of his ancestors, the Three-Eyed People".

Dayspring wrote: Besides, Radditz's bio and the saibamen item description both say 1200 or 1200s.

Raditz's bio doesn't assign any number to his battle power, it just says that it was very low for a Saiyan. Is this another thing the French edition added in?

temujin · Post by **temujin** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:07 pm

If that's what it says, then it's something the French edition added in. All the original says about the connection between the Shiyouken and the Three-Eyed People is that the Shiyouken is "a technique that takes advantage of the special abilities of his ancestors, the Three-Eyed People".

Exactly it is more or less what the french edition says that "the Three Eyes were the first ones to see the advantage to use this habilty as a fighting technique .

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:53 pm

temujin wrote:
If that's what it says, then it's something the French edition added in. All the original says about the connection between the Shiyouken and the Three-Eyed People is that the Shiyouken is "a technique that takes advantage of the special abilities of his ancestors, the Three-Eyed People".
Exactly it is more or less what the french edition says that "the Three Eyes were the first ones to see the advantage to use this habilty as a fighting technique .

The French edition just changed the order of the parenthetical comma. Apart that, it's identical to the original.

@Herms: I misremembered the Radditz PL as being in both. You're right. However, the saibaman still states 1200, which is equal to inferior Saiyans "like Radditz." Is this the same in the Japanese one?

Post by **Herms** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:13 pm

Dayspring wrote:@Herms: I misremembered the Radditz PL as being in both. You're right. However, the saibaman still states 1200, which is equal to inferior Saiyans "like Radditz." Is this the same in the Japanese one?

It phrases it like the manga, that they have a battle power of 1,200, which "rivals that of a lowest-level warrior"; it doesn't mention Raditz by name.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:19 pm

Herms wrote:
Dayspring wrote:@Herms: I misremembered the Radditz PL as being in both. You're right. However, the saibaman still states 1200, which is equal to inferior Saiyans "like Radditz." Is this the same in the Japanese one?
It phrases it like the manga, that they have a battle power of 1,200, which "rivals that of a lowest-level warrior"; it doesn't mention Raditz by name.

No, I mean its character bio, not the item bio.

Post by **Herms** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:11 pm

That's what I looked up.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:11 am

Herms wrote:That's what I looked up.

Huh. What's it say for the item bio, then?