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Post by Kaboom » Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:55 pm

Tsukento wrote:I'd like to know how you seem to know Goku's raised in the country side, optimistic (lol), chivalrous, kindhearted, and loving.
We've got several testaments to Goku's character straight from the mouth of Mr. Chatwin himself. He's done his research, really seems to have a good understanding of Goku, and is dedicated to getting the character right. Here's your links, look for the bits of interviews. (1 - 2 - 3 - 4)

For being hungry, we've of course got the recent picture of him nonchalantly chomping away on an oversized drumstick, and the plot point about him almost ditching Chi-Chi's match to get a hot dog.

For being raised in the countryside, we've got the picture of him and Gohan training at what can only be their home. We know Gohan is the old man who trained Goku in the bow staff, and this is Goku and an old man training with bow staffs. There's no indication of Gohan doing any traveling whatsoever, or them having any special training location.

Why shouldn't we assume this is their home amongst this beautiful scenery? They've gotten something right! Why would we greet it and other similar positive bits with disbelief and disdain, yet continue to assume the worst based on much smaller details at every turn?

I'm noticing a growing double-standard here, and it worries me. It's not even a matter of "pro-movie" or "anti-movie," really, as much as it is just being fair. The movie has it's couple problems, yes, but there's far more good aspects that shouldn't just be ignored.


Here I am getting myself worked up over this crap again... I told myself I'd stop caring, but it pains me to see the poor movie get picked on like this...
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Post by JAPPO » Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:58 pm

If you want to see an adaptation see the movie. If you want to see the original, see the original...

No one is forcing you to be open-minded.
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Post by SSJ2bardock » Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:02 pm

JAPPO wrote:If you want to see an adaptation see the movie. If you want to see the original, see the original...

No one is forcing you to be open-minded.
Well it's certainly better than being closed minded.
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Post by MisterFlashdude » Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:10 pm

JAPPO wrote:If you want to see an adaptation see the movie. If you want to see the original, see the original...

No one is forcing you to be open-minded.
This logic confounds me. :?

People are being close-minded because they think the Dragonball movie should be more like Dragonball...? :roll:

And in expecting people to have your opinion and chastising them for thinking differently, aren't you being incredibly close-minded?

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Post by Kaboom » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:05 pm

MisterFlashDude wrote:People are being close-minded because they think the Dragonball movie should be more like Dragonball...? :roll:

And in expecting people to have your opinion and chastising them for thinking differently, aren't you being incredibly close-minded?
...And the introduction of these kinds of platitudes is where it all falls apart. With the sarcasm and the obnoxious rolly-eyes emote and the circular logic and the absolute shut-off of any kind of willingness to try seeing things in another light.

"Try to be more open-minded."
"You're being closed-minded by telling me to be open-minded."

(By the way, that's one hell of a clever avoidance tactic)

You kidding me? We're all fairly intelligent people; must every conversation ultimately degrade into this kind of crap, over and over and over again?

I'm going to back out of this thread before it gets any worse. As little attention as it may be paid, I think I've said all I can say... again...


For Kami's sake, people, take off your fan-goggles for just a moment and put things in proper perspective. The truth is that it's a movie made out of a cartoon. Mr. Wong doesn't owe any of us jack squat except an entertaining movie made to his liking. The simple fact of the matter is that it's meant purely for fun and entertainment, and should not be so meticulously and spitefully over-analyzed just because it happens to base itself off of "our" franchise.

What it should be is a mutually enjoyable and interesting topic for DragonBall fans. What we should be doing is treating the movie as something new and fun, and an interesting. What we should be doing is using it as an opportunity to draw in new people to the broader fandom, with proclamations of, "you liked the movie, now here's something even better." What we should be doing is showing some support for the actors and creative team, and hoping they do a good job.

But we're not, apparently.

It's become clear that far too many of us, especially here at DaizEX, don't want that. We'd rather be criticizing every detail and name involved in it for not doing things to our liking. We'd rather be putting down and greeting every comment in favor of the film with spite and smug superiority. We'd rather be insulting Mr. Wong and the others involved with the film ("ChatLOSE," oh, that's clever) for daring to mess with the sacred work that is DragonBall, i.e. "a goofy martial arts comic with poop jokes."

That's damned depressing. A fandom is being divided because something so trivial is being taken too seriously.


I'd like to propose a solution. We can't just out-and-out ban any sort of info on the movie. It's a big topic in regards to the franchise, whether you like it or not. But even this new policy of "new thread for each new update" isn't working, because as we can see, it just devolves into the same ol' back-and-forth, and I'm tired of these "discussions" ruining my experience and .

I suggest that any and all future posting concerning the DragonBall movie be limited to ONE stickied, official thread which only a moderator who's non-biased towards the movie (do we have any of those?) can post in. The ONLY material posted within would be straight-up confirmed, official news and leaked material. Forumgoers, especially folks like Jappo and myself who keep up-to-date with ALL the news (not just the bits ripe for disdain) would keep the chosen moderator up-to-date via PM or e-mail.

No bias, no opinions, no skew, not even any means or permission to contribute. From ANYONE. On either god-forsaken "side." It may take a little extra work from a couple parties, but it'd be worth it to prevent a new crop of this bullcrap from popping up every week. If people want to voice their opinions so badly, they can do so in the chat or something.

That's my proposal, and I'll try to make it the last significant thing I say on the matter.
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Post by JulieYBM » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:09 pm

Our problem is we don't want this film being grouped together with the original.

I would think.

On the picture itself, God that armor is terrible looking.
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Post by VegettoEX » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:09 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:I suggest that any and all future posting concerning the DragonBall movie be limited to ONE stickied, official thread which only a moderator who's non-biased towards the movie (do we have any of those?) can post in. The ONLY material posted within would be straight-up confirmed, official news and leaked material. Forumgoers, especially folks like Jappo and myself who keep up-to-date with ALL the news (not just the bits ripe for disdain) would keep the chosen moderator up-to-date via PM or e-mail.
If the sole point is just to provide the information, then why don't the people who want said information just go to the sites that are providing it? It'll get you closer to the source than second/third-hand in another site's forum.
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Post by SSJ2bardock » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:13 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:I suggest that any and all future posting concerning the DragonBall movie be limited to ONE stickied, official thread which only a moderator who's non-biased towards the movie (do we have any of those?) can post in. The ONLY material posted within would be straight-up confirmed, official news and leaked material. Forumgoers, especially folks like Jappo and myself who keep up-to-date with ALL the news (not just the bits ripe for disdain) would keep the chosen moderator up-to-date via PM or e-mail.
If the sole point is just to provide the information, then why don't the people who want said information just go to the sites that are providing it? It'll get you closer to the source than second/third-hand in another site's forum.
I'm gonna have to second that, if I wanted to get information on the movie I'd just go to Jappo's site. I'd like to be able to come here and discuss it with other people, no matter how immature the thread may get. If we have to start a new thread 'cause this one gets locked then we'll just have to deal with it, it's really not a big deal at all.
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Post by MisterFlashdude » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:17 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:"Try to be more open-minded."
"You're being closed-minded by telling me to be open-minded."

(By the way, that's one hell of a clever avoidance tactic)
I'd say it's more like "Think like I do."
"But I don't agree with you"
"Then you're being close-minded"

See, the difference between myself and Jappo is I'm not here to tell people not to share their opinions, or mock people for having the opinions that they do. Your only solution here is to close the forum?

If you can't stand hearing the criticism of the movie, don't want to have to deal with people like me and just want to see the information and be content with it, why don't you just leave and let the rest of us be instead of try to close down the thread for everyone else?

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Post by DevilKingBaal » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:19 pm

DongHyun wrote:Image
OH DELICIOUS PHOTOSHOP!!!!!!
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Post by SSJ2bardock » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:20 pm

That was a little extreme don't you think? There was really no need to react in such a hostile manner.
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Post by DevilKingBaal » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:21 pm

Huh?
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Post by SSJ2bardock » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:26 pm

DevilKingBaal wrote:Huh?
Read the post above your's.
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Post by DevilKingBaal » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:26 pm

Oh, my bad.
Archer: "I watched it over and over. Meaningless massacres, meaningless equality, meaningless happiness! I was forced to look at them even when I refused to. This is not what I wished for. I did not become a guardian for this!"

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Post by Kaboom » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:27 pm

VegettoEX wrote:If the sole point is just to provide the information, then why don't the people who want said information just go to the sites that are providing it? It'll get you closer to the source than second/third-hand in another site's forum.
That's certainly an option; don't know why I didn't mention it. It's just that... it wouldn't be the same.

I'm not trying to brown-nose or anything, but really, DaizEX is the single-best DragonBall forum and community out there. You can hardly go anywhere else without getting barraged with made-up bullcrap or getting swamped with numerical power level threads, or what have you. On top of it all, the spelling and grammar standards are a rare gem. It's a great place that actually has some class to it.

I love the place, am here constantly, and love to participate (I've got the postcount to prove it), but it seems I can't go a single session without witnessing some new argument pop up over something stupid.

Unfortunately, this movie is the focus of those arguments as of late, and very undeservingly so. Like I mentioned, it's something that should be regarded as a cool new addition to the franchise, as an interesting new take on the story, and especially an opportunity to draw in new fans.

So what if it does a few things differently from the series? Again, it's just a movie made out of a cartoon. It's only there for entertainment purposes. It's not worth criticizing to such a degree, it's not worth having a bad attitude about, and it's definitely not worth getting people angry at each other.

But it seems like too many people would rather do nothing but put it down, and the resulting constant back-and-forth b.s. is only going to be a turn-off to people, like it already is to me. It doesn't mean I'm going to leave the board. And I certainly don't think I'm capable of just stopping defending the movie in this manner. When I see something being unjustly picked on, I step in to help it. That's just how I was raised.

Something needs to be done, once and for all, to stop it from ruining the otherwise friendly and intelligent atmosphere of the board. This constant argumentative attitude shows no signs of stopping, even after the movie is released.
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Post by SSJ2bardock » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:32 pm

Every thread that lives long enough to see 10 pages deteriorates sooner or later, I think we all know that by now. And I'm positive that people are going to continue to be opinionated about the movie, so why try to stop them? Just enjoy yourself and continue to be a productive member of the board.
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Post by Kaboom » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:33 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:Just enjoy yourself and continue to be a productive member of the board.
In the end, I suppose that may be all I can really do.
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Post by caejones » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:35 pm

It seems to me that putting "cool" and "interesting" in the same sentence as "should be regarded as" is dangerously close to "Think like me or you're close-minded". Not that I'm saying you said that, 'course. ^^

My opinion on the movie goes back and forth, really, and I'll be glad when it finally comes out and I actually have something to have an opinion on...
But that aside, the way the movie threads explode usually leaves me avoiding them. "Oh, I went out for the weekend, and now we have a fifteen page argument about what's a fair opinion... *sigh* hopefully there's nothing new in there *leaves*".

Ur... so yeah. Carry on.
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Post by SSJ2bardock » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:40 pm

In an attempt to steer this thread back on topic, some new stills have been put up on a fan site of one of the member's here, check 'em out.

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Post by DevilKingBaal » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:42 pm

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Is that supposed to be funny?
Archer: "I watched it over and over. Meaningless massacres, meaningless equality, meaningless happiness! I was forced to look at them even when I refused to. This is not what I wished for. I did not become a guardian for this!"

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