New Special: Canon or Not?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:29 pm

mAcChaos wrote:Re, Piccolo being able to eat: I recall Kami mentioning foraging for food in the arctic during his childhood.

True. Plus Piccolo was eating only broth.

temujin · Post by **temujin** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:40 pm

No Tenshinhan: This is neither here nor there. It just means Tenshinhan didn't accept the invitation and/or wasn't found in order to be asked.

No,it means he isn't a Z-senshi anymore.Toriyama doesn't like him,that is the reason why he kicked him out of the Z-group after Cell's saga.

Yi Xing Long · Post by **Yi Xing Long** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:44 pm

temujin wrote:
No Tenshinhan: This is neither here nor there. It just means Tenshinhan didn't accept the invitation and/or wasn't found in order to be asked.
No,it means he isn't a Z-senshi anymore.Toriyama doesn't like him,that is the reason why he kicked him out of the Z-group after Cell's saga.

What the hell are you talking about? That doesn't even make sense since Tenshinhan gets his moment to shine (again) near the end of the Buu arc. He didn't do anything, but at least he showed up. the ONLY reason Tenshinhan was not there is probably because his voice actor passed away and, out of respect for Suzuoki, it was decided to not include his character.

temujin · Post by **temujin** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:57 pm

Yi Xing Long wrote:
temujin wrote:
No Tenshinhan: This is neither here nor there. It just means Tenshinhan didn't accept the invitation and/or wasn't found in order to be asked.
No,it means he isn't a Z-senshi anymore.Toriyama doesn't like him,that is the reason why he kicked him out of the Z-group after Cell's saga.
What the hell are you talking about? That doesn't even make sense since Tenshinhan gets his moment to shine (again) near the end of the Buu arc. He didn't do anything, but at least he showed up. the ONLY reason Tenshinhan was not there is probably because his voice actor passed away and, out of respect for Suzuoki, it was decided to not include his character.

He just showed up for a second,however he wasn't included in the main cast.I really doubt that the reason is Suzuoki's death.
Actually, it would be logical to bring him and say something about it.
What about saint Seiya, all the voices are different and nobody cares.
Just think about it,all the other characters were there.
Yamcha isn't a fighter anymore and he did something and Mr. Toriyama wrote this,so.
Mr. Toriyama supervised super dbz for PS2 and guess what happened?
Tenshinhan was out.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:16 pm

Also, I don't see why people treat Vegeta's word as fact. Just because he said something doesn't make it true. Vegeta is wrong all the time. He was wrong when he thought he became a Super Saiyan in the Freeza saga. He apparently didn't know of Goku until Raditz remembered him, etc.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:41 pm

temujin wrote:
No Tenshinhan: This is neither here nor there. It just means Tenshinhan didn't accept the invitation and/or wasn't found in order to be asked.
No,it means he isn't a Z-senshi anymore.Toriyama doesn't like him,that is the reason why he kicked him out of the Z-group after Cell's saga.

...They're a group of friends. Not a club. =/

Zenkai Power · Post by **Zenkai Power** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:20 pm

It seems to me, given the events of the Buu saga... that Tien just doesn't hang around most of the rest of the guys much anymore. For whatever reason, he could have been there without a speaking part if they wanted to. It is kind of odd, but I don't really care that much either.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:37 pm

Ten-san seems to be on a constant training binge so I could see why he wouldn't be there. But at least he's realistic, most of the Z senshi don't even talk to each other outside of a major crisis.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:56 pm

Spazicon wrote:I'm a take it as canon, for my own sake. And my reasoning is this;
1, it's not a film. As far as I recall, Special's were taken as canon (at least on the animated side).

That's... highly debatable. On several levels.

First off, I'd say it's technically a movie, as it was produced for the big screen. It was never officially called a "special", I believe.
The other "specials" you're referring were TV specials, i.e. an entirely different kind of animal.

Then, there would also be the canonicity of the TV specials... Since there's no official word about that one, you can bet opinions will vary. I know I don't consider them to be canonical, for example.

And 2, nothing contradicts anything, plot wise.

Tarble? We were told there were no other surviving Saiyans.

temujin wrote:What about saint Seiya, all the voices are different and nobody cares.

You're kidding, right?

Mr. Toriyama supervised super dbz for PS2

Wut?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:08 am

Olivier Hague wrote:
Spazicon wrote:
And 2, nothing contradicts anything, plot wise.
Tarble? We were told there were no other surviving Saiyans.

Vegeta looked as surprised as anybody that Tarble existed. I take this to mean he figured Tarble for dead.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:33 am

Tarble's existence is a surprise to me too. Simply because according to the official timeline, Vegeta was 5 when the planet got destroyed, and King Vegeta was killed... And Tarble looks like he's 13.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:40 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:Tarble's existence is a surprise to me too. Simply because according to the official timeline, Vegeta was 5 when the planet got destroyed, and King Vegeta was killed... And Tarble looks like he's 13.

Likely because of his inability to fight. He's just small. Look at Vegeta. He's rather short compared to guys like Nappa and Goku. Maybe shortness runs in the family. Perhaps King Vegeta's tall while his wife was short. Vegeta came in the middle while Tarble got his mother's height.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:44 am

That would make Tarble like a super midget. Krillin status. I mean he looked like a kid. He had a kid's proportions. He had a kid's nose type. I believe his voice was kiddish. And plus, he was completely unlike Vegeta or King Vegeta. They were aggressive, had attitude... He might as well have been Goku's brother. Oh wait, Goku's brother was more evil. The entire Saiyan race was pretty much evil. But Tarble was this sweet guy who could've been one of the Z Fighters with no problem? I thought it was a dumb idea. And a corny one too. "Lets just throw a random family member of one of the big characters."

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:46 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:That would make Tarble like a super midget. Krillin status. I mean he looked like a kid. He had a kid's proportions. He had a kid's nose type. I believe his voice was kiddish. And plus, he was completely unlike Vegeta or King Vegeta. They were aggressive, had attitude... He might as well have been Goku's brother. Oh wait, Goku's brother was more evil. The entire Saiyan race was pretty much evil. But Tarble was this sweet guy who could've been one of the Z Fighters with no problem? I thought it was a dumb idea. And a corny one too. "Lets just throw a random family member of one of the big characters."

The others were evil because they grew up evil. Tarble was sent away but not on a mission. There was no plans for domination planted in his mind. He got to grow up naturally like Goku did.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:52 am

Gozar wrote: The others were evil because they grew up evil. Tarble was sent away but not on a mission. There was no plans for domination planted in his mind. He got to grow up naturally like Goku did.

That is quiet a huge assumption to make. We don't know at which age he was sent away. Vegeta was quiet young when we see him kill Saibaman and those random aliens at the end of the Bardock Special.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:56 am

Why wouldn't[/b] Tarble be sent away on a mission? Wasn't that the entire point of Saiyans? And Goku would've destroyed all of humanity by the age of 10 if he hadn't hit his head. Tarble obviously didn't hit his head since he had his memory.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:58 am

Forgotten Hero wrote:
Gozar wrote: The others were evil because they grew up evil. Tarble was sent away but not on a mission. There was no plans for domination planted in his mind. He got to grow up naturally like Goku did.
That is quiet a huge assumption to make. We don't know at which age he was sent away. Vegeta was quiet young when we see him kill Saibaman and those random aliens at the end of the Bardock Special.

Considering he "couldn't fight". Odds are this was based upon an insanely low Birth PL.

TheGreatness25 wrote:Why wouldn't[/b] Tarble be sent away on a mission? Wasn't that the entire point of Saiyans? And Goku would've destroyed all of humanity by the age of 10 if he hadn't hit his head. Tarble obviously didn't hit his head since he had his memory.

Because he was sent away due to lack of fighting ability (stated).

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:59 am

Yeah. Well still, no matter how crappily Saiyans might fight, they were a race who was born and bred to conquer for Frieza.

Yi Xing Long · Post by **Yi Xing Long** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:02 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:Yeah. Well still, no matter how crappily Saiyans might fight, they were a race who was born and bred to conquer for Freeza.

They were around long before Freeza existed.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:08 am

Their race was practically enslaved by Frieza for a very long time before it all came to ahead. They began their "deal" with Frieza a year before Vegeta was born.