Shedding Tears

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:06 am

Tsukento wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:Uh yeah he is, just 'cause he doesn't wear a cape and tights doesn't mean he's not a super hero.
Once again.

Tsukento wrote:He's not a superhero fighting for truth and justice.
In other words, he's not the stereotypical, generic superhero fighting for all that is good.

He's a protagonist with fantastical powers that is fighting for the good of other people, I'd say that qualifies as a super hero.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:10 am

SSJ2bardock wrote:
Tsukento wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:Uh yeah he is, just 'cause he doesn't wear a cape and tights doesn't mean he's not a super hero.
Once again.

Tsukento wrote:He's not a superhero fighting for truth and justice.
In other words, he's not the stereotypical, generic superhero fighting for all that is good.
He's a protagonist with fantastical powers that is fighting for the good of other people, I'd say that qualifies as a super hero.

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Last I checked, he was a protagonist fighting because he loved the challenge of the fight, with other people being more or less of an afterthought unless they're killed.

He didn't go to Namek to destroy the ultimate evil or to protect the Namekians. He went there to revive his friends, and the Namekians were more or less there.

He didn't let Vegeta go because he thought Vegeta would turn good, that mercy was the best option. He did it because he wanted a tough opponent to fight again.

Time and time again, he has fought for one selfish reason. And that reason is that he loves to fight, ESPECIALLY when that fight is difficult.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:13 am

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:
Tsukento wrote: Once again.
In other words, he's not the stereotypical, generic superhero fighting for all that is good.
He's a protagonist with fantastical powers that is fighting for the good of other people, I'd say that qualifies as a super hero.
I
Last I checked, he was a protagonist fighting because he loved the challenge of the fight, with other people being more or less of an afterthought unless they're killed.

He didn't go to Namek to destroy the ultimate evil or to protect the Namekians. He went there to revive his friends, and the Namekians were more or less there.

He didn't let Vegeta go because he thought Vegeta would turn good, that mercy was the best option. He did it because he wanted a tough opponent to fight again.

Time and time again, he has fought for one selfish reason. And that reason is that he loves to fight, ESPECIALLY when that fight is difficult.

I knew someone was going to say this so I waited. While he was selfish in that he was fighting because it would be fun for him it was still always to stop someone who was hurting others.

theoriginalbilis · Post by **theoriginalbilis** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:13 am

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:I cried when I first heard the original season three dub.

ZING! Good one.

As for me, I teared up at the end of GT as well. Ironically, the last 4 episodes of GT were some of the first uncut DB I ever saw, so even though they're not great, those episodes hold a special place in my heart.

It's kind of weird, but I also got a tear in my eye when I heard all of the BGM and ED songs left intact for the Trunks and Bardock specials. In my mind, I was like "finally, it's being done right." Or something to that effect.

I also got emotional when I watched the new DB special. It was like seeing old friends again.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:16 am

You're missing the point.

Goku's not the kind of person that goes "steps out of shadows" when evil arrives and fights for "good" and "justice." In fact, the ONLY reasons Goku's ever fought was because either the planet was going to be destroyed or his friends were in trouble. Not only that, but to push himself beyond his limits. That's it. It's not for the sake of justice. It's not for the sake of good. It's because he has to not only protect his loved ones but to also see how much stronger he can get and see how far his limits can reach. This is something Vegeta brought up during the fight with Majin Boo.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:18 am

SSJ2bardock wrote:
Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote: He's a protagonist with fantastical powers that is fighting for the good of other people, I'd say that qualifies as a super hero.
I
Last I checked, he was a protagonist fighting because he loved the challenge of the fight, with other people being more or less of an afterthought unless they're killed.

He didn't go to Namek to destroy the ultimate evil or to protect the Namekians. He went there to revive his friends, and the Namekians were more or less there.

He didn't let Vegeta go because he thought Vegeta would turn good, that mercy was the best option. He did it because he wanted a tough opponent to fight again.

Time and time again, he has fought for one selfish reason. And that reason is that he loves to fight, ESPECIALLY when that fight is difficult.
I knew someone was going to say this so I waited. While he was selfish in that he was fighting because it would be fun for him it was still always to stop someone who was hurting others.

But that's not it at all.

He knew letting Vegeta go would put people, including the ones he cared about, in danger. But the thrill of the fight, rising up to a particularly intense challenge, was worth more to him than that.

He would prefer to have a bad guy out there that is intensely strong over a time of peace. He's shown this, time and time again, in the actions that he takes that put his friends and family in direct danger in order to get a tougher challenge.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:23 am

Tsukento wrote:You're missing the point.

Goku's not the kind of person that goes "steps out of shadows" when evil arrives and fights for "good" and "justice." In fact, the ONLY reasons Goku's ever fought was because either the planet was going to be destroyed or his friends were in trouble. Not only that, but to push himself beyond his limits. That's it. It's not for the sake of justice. It's not for the sake of good. It's because he has to not only protect his loved ones but to also see how much stronger he can get and see how far his limits can reach. This is something Vegeta brought up during the fight with Majin Boo.

I didn't say he goes out of his way or "steps out of shadows" to help others. Just because he's testing his limits and trying to push them further doesn't mean his actions aren't heroic. The things he does are heroic whether he intended them to be or not.

I'm not missing the point, but I am getting off topic so I'm done talking about this because I don't need your approval to validate my thoughts on Goku.

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote: He would prefer to have a bad guy out there that is intensely strong over a time of peace. He's shown this, time and time again, in the actions that he takes that put his friends and family in direct danger in order to get a tougher challenge.

Then why did he stay dead after the Cell Games? I seem to remember him saying something about the Earth being safer without him and all the bad guys he attracts there.

I'M DONE TALKING ABOUT IT.

Travis Touchdown · Post by **Travis Touchdown** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:35 am

I teared up when...
Future Trunks found Future Gohan's body.

Gohan went SSJ2 for the first time against Cell

Goku encouraged Gohan to beat Cell with everyone helping.

Goku told King Kai "My SON needs my help!" and teleport-punched Bojack.

Goten met Goku for the first time.

Goku said goodbye to Goten and the others before going back to the dead realm.

(But the top 2 moments ironically comes from GT...)
Goku Jr. goes SSJ against Lord Yao

Goku Jr. meets Goku.

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:18 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:I cried when I first heard the original season three dub.

I did that too and when I heard the dubs of movies 7 and 9.

I haven't ever cried while watching entertainment ever. I do get choked up sometimes but never cry. If this counts I got choked up during the Bardock Special's ED theme Hikari no Tabi. Coupled with the fact that the Bardock special is kinda depressing and dark for Dragon Ball and that the song is so saddening you can't help but feel something. And it's one of my favorite anime EDs themes of all time.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:47 am

Seeing Chaozu's original death in the Saiyan saga via fansubs was quite the tearjerker back in the day.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:40 am

Castor Troy wrote:Seeing Chaozu's original death in the Saiyan saga via fansubs was quite the tearjerker back in the day.

Especially without having any of that "Honor his bravery!" nonsense coming out of Piccolo's mouth.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:58 am

Tsukento wrote:
Castor Troy wrote:Seeing Chaozu's original death in the Saiyan saga via fansubs was quite the tearjerker back in the day.
Especially without having any of that "Honor his bravery!" nonsense coming out of Piccolo's mouth.

You guys are ridiculous sometimes. Every chance you get you just have to take a swing at Funimation. Yeah, sometimes Funimation adds or changes dialog and it sucks, we all know that. This comment added NOTHING to the conversation and was completely uncalled for.

Suupaa Gohan 2 · Post by **Suupaa Gohan 2** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:01 am

Hm, I can think of a few.

5-Vegeta's suicide. This one's a classic, because it's the first time Vegeta is shown to care about someone other than himself. He doesn't just fight for his loved ones, he willingly throws away his life to protect them. Definitely not the Vegeta we had been seeing in the entire series up to this point, not to mention, the dialogue and the music tied it all in and made it a very tragic moment...not even because 'oh no Vegeta's dead', but because of his reasons and the way his character had matured.

4-Kuririn's death in the original DB. It was the first time something truly dark had happened in the series - yeah, the RRA killed a lot of people and had ambitions of world domination, but here, Gokou's best friend was killed in cold blood, in this series that was for the most part lighthearted and goofy. It was totally unexpected.

3-Kame-Sen'nin's, Chaozu's and Shenlong's deaths at the hands of Piccolo Daimaoh. Again, Gokou's friends were dropping dead left and right, and then when Shenlong was killed...it really hit home that these guys could never come back to life again. Even though I had seen all of DBZ by the time I started watching Dragonball, and knew they would obviously return to life, the series did an amazing job of hammering that in so it still got to me.

2-Piccolo's death to save Gohan. I don't think this really needs explaining; most fans have a reaction to this scene, whether it be actual tears or not.

1-Gohan's SSJ2 transformation. So typical of me, but it's the truth. Something about the music tied it all in for me, not to mention it was when I first began watching the series in Japanese. I had known from seeing images and reading summaries that Gohan was the first character to hit this 'level two', but that was really all I knew before I saw the episode, and it had an impact on me.

SSJ4FatGogeta · Post by **SSJ4FatGogeta** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:50 pm

"His name was Krillin!"

"You have to gather all seven DragonBalls for it to work, silly."

I also cried tears of joy at the 2008 special opening.

Coconut Namekian · Post by **Coconut Namekian** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:41 pm

Hmm...well I felt emotion during LOTS of scenes, but the only ones I literally cried for were:

1) Piccolo sacrificing himself for Gohan in the Saiyajin saga

2) Piccolo's death in GT [yes I am a Piccolo fangirl =P]

3) Vegeta's fight against Final form Freeza

4) Goku meeting Goten for the first time.

cRookie_Monster · Post by **cRookie_Monster** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:43 pm

I got a little misty when I was editing the Vegeta death scene in the Frieza Saga. I don't think my exact edit survived for release but it was pretty similar (I was still pretty new on the project). The version currently available has no music at all for that scene and redone voice acting...just not the same for me. I had complimented Sabat himself on his original work at the Frieza Saga cast party. His response was something like "You know, I enjoy doing anyone's death scene, they are a lot of fun to do." ^^

Brakus · Post by **Brakus** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:11 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:We've all done it. In a series as long as Dragon Ball, it's impossible not to get attached to some characters. And the more emotional and empathetic ones such as I will shed a tear every now and then. So which moments have you found "a little something in your eyes?"

From what I've seen so far with the Orange Bricks, two moments come to mind:

Episode 35 - the first time I saw this, I was just shocked that Krillin could have killed Vegeta and pretty much ended Dragon Ball Z right there, but Goku them implores him not to kill Vegeta. Hearing the English dub of this scene is very powerful... it was a fine way to tie in the "violence for violence's sake is wrong" lesson at that moment, even more effectively than what most American cartoons have done with that concept.

Episode 86 - Vegeta's death at the hands of Frieza. As Vegeta dies, he's crying and confessing to Goku about all the horrible stuff he's done because Frieza told him to. And then Goku buries Vegeta and (eventually) avenges his death.

Brakus · Post by **Brakus** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:14 pm

Vekurotto wrote: I haven't ever cried while watching entertainment ever. I do get choked up sometimes but never cry. If this counts I got choked up during the Bardock Special's ED theme Hikari no Tabi. Coupled with the fact that the Bardock special is kinda depressing and dark for Dragon Ball and that the song is so saddening you can't help but feel something. And it's one of my favorite anime EDs themes of all time.

If there ever was a "Love Theme for DBZ" song, it would be "Hikari No Tabi". I think this could have even more effect on two people than Barry White's voice could ever do.

SSJ4FatGogeta · Post by **SSJ4FatGogeta** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:39 pm

I need to add Vegeta Knocking out his son before blowing himself up all over Fat Buu.
You need to really love someone to knock them out before you kill yourself.

ulisa · Post by **ulisa** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:55 pm

Hmm...so many come to mind. I really care about the characters in Dragonball, which is one thing that really makes the series for me. So here are the few that stick out in my mind.

1 Son Goku's death at the beginning of the Trunks TV special. I prefer the english music in this special but especially for this scene, prefer the Japanese dialogue. The gathered group outside, basically awaiting the inevitable, and Gohan getting home a second too late to say goodbye. His shaky "otou-sa-an" really chokes me up the most of that scene.

2 Son Gohan's death in the Trunks TV Special. The rain and animation really did this scene some justice. I loved the closeup on Trunks' eyes, especially with the rain dripping off his face. Added to the emotion in his eyes. And in english or japanese, the way he mourns over Gohan is heart wrenching because it really drives home how much of a blow that was.

3 Son Goku's sacrifice to destroy Cell. I really thought what was really heart wrenching about this scene wasn't the dialogue but the silent exchange between Goku and Gohan by just the close up of the eyes. Gohan's wide eyed response as he realizes what his father is going to do and Goku's calm way of just smiling at his son before he disappears.

4 Gohan's response after his father disappears with Cell. Now, this is actually the scene that made me outright cry. Oddly enough, it wasn't Goku actually disappearing or being killed by the explosion. It was his son's silent stare over the battlefield, the silent tears falling down his face then the shrill "DADDY!" he screamed out. I also bawled at the scene in Japanese.

5 Goku announcing he's going to stay dead. Goku's typical carefree attitude toward it, like it's no big deal throws a big contrast to the others' faces, especially his son's initial response. I dunno...maybe I read into the unspoken dialogue too much but I see more pain in someone's expression than their words.

6 Gohan hugging Goku before going to fight Buu. Goku basically saying his final goodbye to his son, again with that carefree attitude of his, and just telling him to go beat Buu. The fact that there isn't a lot of physical affection shown in the show really made that hug significant, at least to me.

Ulisa

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