Avo and Cado equals which form of Freeza?

Spazicon · Post by **Spazicon** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:24 pm

Didn't I read somewhere Pan was originally planned to go Super Saiyan?

Anywho, I thought the accepted theory was post Super Saiyan born children had it in them, to go much earlier, and much less forced?

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:45 pm

Forgotten Hero wrote:I guess I just can't explain my point of view that well...I just don't believe that a Saiyajin can transform at 18,000 when many have tried and failed. The greatest one, Goku, had to get to ten times 18,000 just to become a Super Saiyajin. I hope that some what explains things.

I agree with you somewhat, just based on the series and when the changes started happening.

Vegeta flipped out plenty on Earth, while having a fairly clear purpose, and there was nothing to indicate a change or even the potential to do so. Gohan had a few intense moments, once while rushing to aid the mortally wounded Kuririn, and once rushing to help Piccolo, where there was no change. To be fair, his hair did look a little wonky that second time for a second there :p

Goku wasn't able to pull it off until after emerging from the healing tank, where his level was (according to the Daiz' anyway) in the millions. Vegeta noted the difference in him when his max was 90k (before Kaio-ken). After the Freeza Saga, everyone with Saiyan blood started tripping over SSJ levels. But there was no indication from any of the key fighters in the Saiya-jin Saga that the transformation was a near possibility. Does that mean it *couldn't* happen? Maybe not... I just don't think there is evidence in the story to support it.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:10 pm

Spazicon wrote:Didn't I read somewhere Pan was originally planned to go Super Saiyan?

Anywho, I thought the accepted theory was post Super Saiyan born children had it in them, to go much earlier, and much less forced?

I believe it was said somewhere that Toriyama never shown a female Super Saiyan because he could not figure out how they should be depicted. But we can thank fan artists for figuring it out for him. I know the images are not of Pan but I do not care for that family.

Spazicon · Post by **Spazicon** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 8:10 pm

One of my faves;