GT: Opinions; what would you do?

[Kaboom]

I've noticed this seems to be a near-universal theme in just about every GT rewrite fic I've come across... and with good reason, too.

I still don't quite understand why Gohan could not go SSJ 1 & 2 while having the Mystic powerup

Because he was already at full power, the transformations would literally do nothing.

In essence, the "Mystic" thing replaced SSj.

[Bussani]

I still don't quite understand why Gohan could not go SSJ 1 & 2 while having the Mystic powerup

The power up replaces transformations. Rou Kaioshin outright states this in the manga, making it more clear than the anime did. Gohan tried to go Super Saiyajin and it just brought all his power out in his base form, that's the whole point of it. Since all his power's already out, transforming would be unnecessary.

[Maphisto86]

I still don't quite understand why Gohan could not go SSJ 1 & 2 while having the Mystic powerup

The power up replaces transformations. Rou Kaioshin outright states this in the manga, making it more clear than the anime did. Gohan tried to go Super Saiyajin and it just brought all his power out in his base form, that's the whole point of it. Since all his power's already out, transforming would be unnecessary.

Ah I see, yet another reason I need to start collecting the manga despite Viz's ridiculous censorship and editing *grumble*, *grumble*. Then I would be inclined to agree even though that idea still does not seem that logical.

In response about Gohan, in GT he is pretty weak despite said Mystic power up. Even though he pretty much stops training much after the Buu saga (and to Piccolo's annoyance), Gohan should still have been able to go toe to toe with the likes of Bebi and make the villains have to try a bit in combat.

[Bussani]

despite Viz's ridiculous censorship and editing *grumble*, *grumble*.

Actually, if you buy the graphic novels it isn't edited anywhere near as badly as the series was for TV. The biggest edit I've ever noticed is Mr Popo's lips and a few extra bubbles on Bulma when she was in the shower.

Then I would be inclined to agree even though that idea still does not seem that logical.

Well, Super Saiyajin transformations are just a way of releasing more of the character's hidden power, but the transformation puts a strain on the body and actually uses up ki to use it. This makes Level 3 practically useless to Goku while he was alive since he was using up more energy than he could gather.

Rou Kaioshin's power up removes all the draw backs. It doesn't waste ki, it doesn't strain the body, and it brings all your power to the surface, altogether surpassing the normal SSJ3 form.

[Metrite]

But, what would you guys dislike or do differently?

Scrap GT completely and start all over. With how it has more plotholes than the moon does craters along with completely destroyed characters everywhere, you'd think GT was an awful fan fic written by a twelve year old. For it to make sense and not be unbearable, any GT 'remake' would have to be so altered that it wouldn't even be GT anymore!

[kusakun004]

I would give the evil dragons bigger roles and make three of them better. The ideas for them were okay, but they were so ugly. Seriously, a frog, a chicken, and a mole aren't the most interesting of things to make an evil dragon out of.

[JulieYBM]

- Child Goku: It was a neat little twist that helped the earlier parts of the show be fun and lighthearted. It would not be permanent, though. He'd get turned back into an adult one way or another.
- Less focus on Goku, of course. DragonBall is his series, of course, but let someone else handle one of the villains every so often.

Actually, with regards to Goku's de-aging, I'd go 100%: Turn Goku back into the age he was when he came to Earth. Have Pan, Goten, Trunks and Oob go to find the Black Star DragonBalls while Vegeta stays on Earth as its primary defender. Goku, meanwhile, provides comic relief as a baby but cannot steal the dramatic focus.

Here, we have an even split between the old generation and the new. Vegeta acts as a hero (with his own twist, of course) and gets support from Piccolo, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Kuririn, Gohan, etc. Meanwhile Pan, Goten, Trunks and Oob fight out in space. Pan taps into her SSJ potential, Gotenks gets his time to shine and Oob actually becomes the badass he was meant to be.

Eventually, Goku is made whole again and every character has a basis for moving forward. Cue Baby, who possesses the one man no one wants to fight: an older Gohan, who during his debut demonstrates his "Saikyo no Gohan" form, long thought lost. That's right bitches, no lame SSJ Gohan in my version ;p

-Corey

Excuse me while I change my pants.

I wrote an eleven page outline for my rewrite which I'm still working on (the first two chapters are in the fan works section). Essentially, it would work in movie villians, ignoring their films and inconsistencies, and work towards Gohan ultimately becoming the world's defender as well as placing an end to Gokû's own aiming towards Vegeta, finally allowing Son to get that rematch he wanted when he let Vegeta go back in the Saiyan arc. Vegeta's feelings were resolved in the Boo arc, however now Gokû wants to resolve his own and thus a friendly SSj4 duel on the now abandoned New Vegeta. Ultimately, Son Gokû and Shenlong will also disapeear, none quite sure where he is going.

Also, Gokû's and Oob's training will have taken place in a place Vegeta noticed he could not sense them from: time and space.

[saiyanprincess]

There are quite a few things I would alter... I'm not going to drove you into a deep sleep with all of them... Just the main ones that piss me off.

1) Pann would need to be made much less annoying and pathetic, I'm sorry if there is any Pann fans around... She just really annoys me with her voice and childishness. She was a talented fighter as a child, but when she begins to grow up it just gets very irritating.

2) Vegeta would never ever have been given a moustache, This was just an evil and unneccessary act of cruelty.

3) Trunks and Goten would play a larger role in saving the Earth and training, instead of concentrating more on dating and work. This particuarly bugged me with Trunks, as in the future he is a kick-ass hero; now in GT he is forced to run the company, wear some goofy glasses , then is forced against his will into space to find the dragonballs. It would also have been good to see more fighting action whilst they were in space dragonball searching, They almost seemed dare I say... weak. It just didn't seem to have the same 'va va voom' as dbz

4) That stupid robot gill would have to be flattened or chucked into quick-sand or something. (Something irrepairable.)

The list is endless... I can admit I did enjoy GT later on in the series when it concentrated more on Earth. I really enjoyed the Shenlong and Baby sagas. It's just a shame that it wasn't made entirely like this, If Goku hadn't been made a kid and Trunks would be an exact duplicate of the future Trunks this would have been totally kick-ass.

[Kid Trunks]

I have a real problem with the little montage at the end of GT. Why the hell doesn't Vegeta feature in it at all? It kind of sucks that such a major, and popular, character doesn't appear in a montage that is basically the series goodbye to the fans.

[Törk]

1. no Goku at all....yes, no Goku, well not that much atleast. He left everybody for training with Uub. They maybe could made an appearance at the last big fight in GT, since they got enormous strong after training. And no Kid Goku, too.

2. Focus more on the other characters. Goten and Trunks would be nice. I would love to see a female super saiyan. Pan and Bra would be sweet. I mean, we barely saw a female saiyan, and if it would be like this it would be sweet. Vegeta should have a great part, too. He already had one in DBZ but he didn't had that many shiny moments like Goku. And his Final Shine was a bit easily blocked. And of course no mustache, hair cut was fine.

3. Baby Arc was kinda fine. It should've contained better fights though. I didn't liked the super 17 arc, again an arc focusing on cyborgs. The Shadow Dragons arc had great potencial, but was ruined easily.

4. SSJ4 was a neat idea. First you need your tail, then you could transform to a newly, diffrent looking stage of saiyajin. But SSJ3 was already overpowered, so it would've been hard to add a fourth stage.


or make GT more like: DB>DBZ.

[caejones]

You know what I just realized GT lacks that DB and DBZ have?

Life. Not as a twisted insulting bit of figurative language; I mean, life from start to end.
DB starts with Goku as a kid in the woods, and ends with Goku getting married.
Z starts with Gohan as a kid in the woods, and ends with Gohan married.
GT starts with... ur..................
... Um... Uub? Pan? Umm... what?

I don't think I'd care to watch something Pan or Uub-centric (though it may wind up good enough to keep my interest, were I a resident of "the alternate universe that just camne into existence to accommodate this idea"), but it'd be an improvement, ne?

[Bussani]

4. SSJ4 was a neat idea. First you need your tail, then you could transform to a newly, diffrent looking stage of saiyajin. But SSJ3 was already overpowered, so it would've been hard to add a fourth stage.

The thing about SSJ3 was it was unstable and hard to maintain. In the manga it was only used once while Goku was mortal/alive, and it didn't work properly at all, it was impossible to build up any ki because of how much it wasted.

SSJ4 wouldn't need to be that much stronger. Maybe as strong as Gohan with his Kaioshin upgrade. Keep in mind Vegetto was way stronger than either of them, so it's only when you approach that level that you're going over the top.

I don't think I'd care to watch something Pan or Uub-centric (though it may wind up good enough to keep my interest, were I a resident of "the alternate universe that just camne into existence to accommodate this idea"), but it'd be an improvement, ne?

I would want to watch something Pan and Uub centric, but...a better continuation of the Pan and Uub we saw at the end of Z, rather than the ones in GT.

[caejones]

I would want to watch something Pan and Uub centric, but...a better continuation of the Pan and Uub we saw at the end of Z, rather than the ones in GT.

Agreed. GT effectively skipped forward so they could redesign the characters without having to show any character development.

[Bussani]

I would want to watch something Pan and Uub centric, but...a better continuation of the Pan and Uub we saw at the end of Z, rather than the ones in GT.

Agreed. GT effectively skipped forward so they could redesign the characters without having to show any character development.

I suppose Akira Toriyama himself did that in the manga a lot, just skipping big chunks out. But yeah, we didn't get much of a chance to be introduced to Pan and Uub properly before another however-many-years long skip to GT.

[caejones]

It is true that Toriyama did a lot of time skips... I think the only ones that seem comparable to GT are the Piccolo-Raditz one (The only hint we had as to where people wouuld go was Goku getting married) and Cell-Buu (We knew that Mr. Satan would gain a huge reputation... that's about it).
Thing is, though, the Buu saga was the only skip that left the characters completely changed afterward (and even then it wasn't so abrupt; another one I forgot was Kuririn and #18! ... ); with the skip into Z, things continued as usual for about the same (give a couple of years?) amount of time... Yamcha and Bulma still fighting, Kuririn still... Kuririning, Ten and Piccolo still out doing their thing... the biggest was "!!! WTF is up with the kid with a tail that Goku's holding? ".

Whereas in GT... umm... ... ... What? Goku and Uub's training gets acknowledgement, and I guess they built off of some of Goten's end-of-Z dialogue... I'm not sure about Vegeta, but other thanvisual design complaints, I could see him winding up... somewhere in that area....
Trunks, Pan, Gohan, Uub, Etc are just used as vessels for whatever wants including... Even Z Pan got something (She was repeating Goku's travel the world style training), Uub had his concerns for his family and village (Funny, I remember Toei adding filler for a very similar character back in early-mid DB without ignoring the actual characterization we were given (Namu)).

Oopse. That sounds more annoyed than it was supposed to.
Yeah, though. GT didn't build on the manga much at all in terms of characters (villains being something of an exception, though I'd've preferred something more creative than "random alien enemy is stronger than a being who previously wiped out 75% of the universe")). If Goku's character development was kind of hard to spot in the manga, it was nigh nonexistent in GT.

[Rocketman]

2) Vegeta would never ever have been given a moustache, This was just an evil and unneccessary act of cruelty.

A goatee, then?