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Post by mrkaizoku » Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:57 am

Mizugi wrote:I find all of this a very amusing read because if they had put up an EXACT replication of the manga the same people would probably be complaining. Imagine Chatwin's Gokuu seeing the capsule bike and being beside himself in amazement. "WHAT IS THAT? ARE YOU A WITCH? *Poke poke*" Now imagine him flying around on the Kinto'un. Imagine his lines all sounding like they were being written by Larry the Cable Guy.

IT DOESN'T TRANSLATE INTO REAL LIFE.
It would have worked out fine, if FOX hadn't needlessly messed with the character so much.
Mizugi wrote:It's the same reason Wolverine didn't wear yellow spandex in the X-Men movie. You have to take liberties and deviate from the source material in order to adapt the story successfully to a different medium. Were people up in arms about the no yellow spandex at the time? Yeah, but once people saw the movie they saw that it WORKED, and they did it for a reason.
This is a poor comparison. Wolverine didn't wear the yellow spandex, but his character was otherwise unchanged. Wolverine's trademark attitude was there in spades, and his appearance was as close as a human being could get. Dragonball on the other hand kept the outfit (mostly), but changed the character entirely. Taking little liberties like changing clothing are acceptable, that's part of an adaptation, but things like changing a character entirely from what they were IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.



I've had a couple days to watch this trailer again, and I stand by my original statement that it bears a huge resemblance to "DOA: Dead or Alive". Just another throw away action movie. Nothing more nothing less. Too bad.
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Post by Kendamu » Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:21 pm

Mizugi wrote:I find all of this a very amusing read because if they had put up an EXACT replication of the manga the same people would probably be complaining. Imagine Chatwin's Gokuu seeing the capsule bike and being beside himself in amazement. "WHAT IS THAT? ARE YOU A WITCH? *Poke poke*" Now imagine him flying around on the Kinto'un. Imagine his lines all sounding like they were being written by Larry the Cable Guy.

IT DOESN'T TRANSLATE INTO REAL LIFE.

It's the same reason Wolverine didn't wear yellow spandex in the X-Men movie. You have to take liberties and deviate from the source material in order to adapt the story successfully to a different medium. Were people up in arms about the no yellow spandex at the time? Yeah, but once people saw the movie they saw that it WORKED, and they did it for a reason.

Dragon Ball is my favorite story that has ever been told. I don't watch the dub, never really have. I'm excited for this movie because it's a different take on the Dragon Ball story. By all means if you want the same story retold EXACTLY, just read the manga or watch the anime again. This movie isn't going to snap all your DVDs in half or burn all your copies of the manga. The original story will always exist and be just as important as it always has been.

After playing all the video games that just regurgitate the story OVER AND OVER AND OVER again I'm REALLY psyched to see a version of the story I DON'T know, to see someone else's take on it. Honestly I think if everyone stopped being so 'OMG THIS IS NOT the MANGA IT SUCKS' you'd not only be happier, but you'd *gasp* ENJOY yourself.

I'm really excited to see it, and I'm fully aware that it could be absolutely terrible. However I refuse to write it off completely because it's not the manga put exactly as it was on the movie screen.

Commence tearing apart of this post... NOW. :D
At one point, I would've believed you. However, since that time, I went to a theater and saw this one movie called Speed Racer and thought, "Wow! I'm really enjoying this! As cheesy as it is, it's pure fun and excitement because they've simply adapted the anime into live action and have done a minimal amount to change things to give us something new without necessarily destroying the source material! I hope Dragonball is this colorful and fun!"

So, I can't really buy into this whole idea that Dragonball doesn't work if there's more than one primary color on screen at a time and characters act the way they're supposed to.

As I quoted before, I don't think this'll be the worst movie ever, but it's definitely not something I see going to the top of the box office charts and being hailed as, "The best adaption ever! Better than the source material! I'm seriously getting horny and crying tears of joy at the same time over this," by [insert famous mangaka inspired by Toriyama here].

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Post by Kaboom » Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:38 pm

Unlike most, it seems, I've come to terms since the beginning that we'd be getting a "DragonBall Movieverse" rather than "the manga as a movie," and I can dig that just fine. So even if some of the characters do turn out different, I can easily chalk it up to "different universe" and enjoy it for what it is, taking in all the neat little allusions and similarities to the manga as just icing on the cake.

And if on the rare chance it does end up bothering me any after I see it, I can always pop in my King Piccolo DVD and make it all better.
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Post by shinmaru » Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:41 pm

Doesnt look like dragonball to me.
And goku is to different.

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Post by The Time Traveller » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:03 pm

shinmaru wrote:Doesnt look like dragonball to me.
And goku is to different.
This thread in a nutshell.

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Post by _StreetSonic_ » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:04 pm

Mizugi wrote:I find all of this a very amusing read because if they had put up an EXACT replication of the manga the same people would probably be complaining. Imagine Chatwin's Gokuu seeing the capsule bike and being beside himself in amazement. "WHAT IS THAT? ARE YOU A WITCH? *Poke poke*" Now imagine him flying around on the Kinto'un. Imagine his lines all sounding like they were being written by Larry the Cable Guy.

IT DOESN'T TRANSLATE INTO REAL LIFE.

It's the same reason Wolverine didn't wear yellow spandex in the X-Men movie. You have to take liberties and deviate from the source material in order to adapt the story successfully to a different medium. Were people up in arms about the no yellow spandex at the time? Yeah, but once people saw the movie they saw that it WORKED, and they did it for a reason.

Dragon Ball is my favorite story that has ever been told. I don't watch the dub, never really have. I'm excited for this movie because it's a different take on the Dragon Ball story. By all means if you want the same story retold EXACTLY, just read the manga or watch the anime again. This movie isn't going to snap all your DVDs in half or burn all your copies of the manga. The original story will always exist and be just as important as it always has been.

After playing all the video games that just regurgitate the story OVER AND OVER AND OVER again I'm REALLY psyched to see a version of the story I DON'T know, to see someone else's take on it. Honestly I think if everyone stopped being so 'OMG THIS IS NOT the MANGA IT SUCKS' you'd not only be happier, but you'd *gasp* ENJOY yourself.

I'm really excited to see it, and I'm fully aware that it could be absolutely terrible. However I refuse to write it off completely because it's not the manga put exactly as it was on the movie screen.

Commence tearing apart of this post... NOW. :D
I totally agree with you. I could understand the hate if this was part of the manga or anime universe and all of sudden the characters were different. But it's not, and I don't see how wrong it is to make the characters different. I said it before, but to me it is like the different universes of Marvel and DC. Some of the universes, the characters are basically the same as the original, while others aren't.

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Post by The Tori-bot » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:26 pm

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Kendamu wrote:Point taken. However, do you have to take it personally that people will like this movie? Will you hold it against them if they do enjoy it? That's what I'm getting at. You can take it personally against FOX for what they're doing, but why take it out on the people who like the result?
I could care less if people like it. But if they try to claim it to be a good adaption of DragonBall then I cannot take them seriously.
Then that just shows you DON'T respect others opinions.
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Post by omegacwa » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:31 pm

I know people are going to be angry with what I am about to say, but it must be said.

If you think this movie looks nothing like DB/DBZ you are purposely being close minded and blind. I am sorry, but it is true. There are several people especially, but I will not call names, who are being ludicrously close minded to the point of stupidity.

There is plenty in this trailer that screams DB to me, and I would consider myself just as big as a fan as any. If any of you guys have seen my collection, which there are a few pictures up in the show off your crap thread, you know I am a serious fan.

So why am I not mad, why am I not screaming about how this movie is "nothing like dragonball". I'll tell you why. Because, in my eyes, there is plenty of dragonball in what I have seen.

The look of the movie may not be accurate to the show, but I don't really care that much, it still has it's own dynamic look. The over blown colors and lighting effects in the trailer give it it's own unique look, which I personally don't recall seeing in any movie of recent.

There is still tons of fighting and energy blasts, which the show had plenty off. Goku's Gi remains mostly intact, Piccolo is green, evil, and looks awesome. Piccolo also still has his floating ship, an Mai is still a henchmen, but her role has been beefed up, which is fine, cause there were never really any good female villains, aside from 18 in all of DB, and with the current trend of powerful women in movies, this is no surprise, same with Bulma's character being altered to be more tough.

There is still a Martial arts tournament of some kind, although we don't really know all the details.

From what I can tell from the Trailer, Kamehouse is still intact, although it is made to look more realistic, and instead of being on a island in the ocean, it is on a island surrounded by a giant futuristic city, which I can dig.

Roshi is still Goku's master, Yamcha starts out bad but becomes good. I am assuming the Dragon still grants wishes, it never says that they don't. The origin of the Dragonballs appears to have changed, but it's not that important, especially if they never introduce Kami, so that's fine.

Capsule Crop is still intact. Bulma is still rich and searching for the DBs. Bulma and Yamcha supposed still have some kind of love interest going on. Capsules are still used but altered a bit.

Goku's personality might have been changed, but I still don't think we have enough evidence to prove that he won't do stupid things or be goofy. The trailer was obviously there to appeal to a wide audience. And with today's trend of dark brooding heroes, they probably left his goofyness on the cutting room floor for this trailer, but that doesn't mean he won't be in the movie.

There is still the Kamehameha, and most likely other signature attacks. Goku is supposedly still supposed to turn oozaru, Piccolo still makes Demons, and Shenlong is still summoned at some point. Also Goku's DB is the four star one.

Honestly, I would have preferred Krillin over Yamcha, but I can't change it now. Maybe Krillin will be in the sequel as Goku's student or something.

NOW I HAVE A CHALLENGE: I want everyone who says the characters who don't look like themselves, to draw a picture of what they think Goku and the Gang should look like in a live action movie. If you are going to stand on your high horse and say it looks bad, then show or tell us what you think it should look like. Have fun of course.

Also please stop bringing up the Vegeta being changed into a women, cause that would be awful and I can tell you, even the most Pro of the Pro movie people will shit all over that.

EDIT: Alright I watched the trailer again and he definitely says "KA MAY" pause "HA MAY" pause "HA!". Which is perfectly fine, who said he says it ka mayyah, mayyah! is wrong.
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Post by Bura » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:38 pm

omegacwa wrote:From what I can tell from the Trailer, Kamehouse is still intact, although it is made to look more realistic, and instead of being on a island in the ocean, it is on a island surrounded by a giant futuristic city, which I can dig.
Sorry, didn't read your entire post and you probably think I suck because I'm straying of the subject but...

You mean ...THIS is Kame House...?! :shock:
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I wonder if people will tell me: "What are you complaining about! It's still pink!" XD

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Post by Super Ghost Kamikaze » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:45 pm

Bura wrote:
omegacwa wrote:From what I can tell from the Trailer, Kamehouse is still intact, although it is made to look more realistic, and instead of being on a island in the ocean, it is on a island surrounded by a giant futuristic city, which I can dig.
Sorry, didn't read your entire post and you probably think I suck because I'm straying of the subject but...

You mean ...THIS is Kame House...?! :shock:

I wonder if people will tell me: "What are you complaining about! It's still pink!" XD
It's a matter of opinion of course, but I think it's a really cool re-imagining. I mean, it's a small house in the middle of a body of water. It's redone for the movie-verse, and I think it's extremely neat. Things like THAT, I don't mind and think look really cool. I also really like the movie-verse capsules.

Their Goku, as portrayed in the promotional materials we've seen so far, is not something I like. But there are things that I think look really neat, and the new Kame House is probably the changed thing I like the most.

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Post by Innagadadavida » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:01 pm

So did anybody see the new trailer? Yamcha has a flying cat but it's name isn't Puar. Also, it has a boston accent.

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Post by Kendamu » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:02 pm

omegacwa wrote:NOW I HAVE A CHALLENGE: I want everyone who says the characters who don't look like themselves, to draw a picture of what they think Goku and the Gang should look like in a live action movie. If you are going to stand on your high horse and say it looks bad, then show or tell us what you think it should look like. Have fun of course.
I don't need to draw. There's a lot that I don't have a problem with in terms of their looks. However, I want Goku to have bangs and Bulma to have more blue in her hair. Yamcha looked like his hair was slicked back. I'd prefer it to be a bit more wild. Mutenroshi needs a beard.

I'm more worried about the overall color scheme of the movie and the personalities of the characters. I know the whole, "But, wait. You don't know if Goku is a goofball or not," line, but in something that's trying to advertise the movie to me, they should depict the personalities correctly. If Goku is a goofball with a thing for beating up bad guys, they shouldn't make him out to be an aloof guy who has confidence issues in the trailer. Even if it is a "general audience" trailer, I believe that we're all entitled to an accurate advertisement of the product.

If the trailer is accurate, then I'm really only mildly interested and that's mostly because of Daimao.
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omegacwa wrote:From what I can tell from the Trailer, Kamehouse is still intact, although it is made to look more realistic, and instead of being on a island in the ocean, it is on a island surrounded by a giant futuristic city, which I can dig.
Sorry, didn't read your entire post and you probably think I suck because I'm straying of the subject but...

You mean ...THIS is Kame House...?! :shock:
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I wonder if people will tell me: "What are you complaining about! It's still pink!" XD
Wait. What?

Where's the blue sky, the palm trees, the sand, and the sea turtle? It doesn't have to be so remote that it doesn't make sense, but you don't have to go so far as to put it in the middle of Cityville, USA. Just throw it on a coast and make it a beach house! It's not that hard!

I hope that isn't Kame House. That's like "The Kame House as inspired by the Super Mario Bros. movie" or something.

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Post by MisterFlashdude » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:18 pm

omegacwa wrote:I know people are going to be angry with what I am about to say, but it must be said.

If you think this movie looks nothing like DB/DBZ you are purposely being close minded and blind. I am sorry, but it is true. There are several people especially, but I will not call names, who are being ludicrously close minded to the point of stupidity.
I still don't understand someone's frame of mind when they simultaneously refuse to acknowledge any opinion other than their own as being valid while condemning the people they're dismissing as being close minded.

I tried to think about it but my brain hit a redundancy loop, flinched and shut down.

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Post by Kaboom » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:26 pm

And here we go with the back-and-forth "you're being closed-minded by telling me to be open-minded" B.S. again.

Well, it was a good thread while it lasted. I still can't stop watching the trailer...
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Post by MisterFlashdude » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:30 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:And here we go with the back-and-forth "you're being closed-minded by telling me to be open-minded" B.S. again.

Well, it was a good thread while it lasted. I still can't stop watching the trailer...
So, do we ignore the hypocrisy of it or try to get people not to start with it in the first place?

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Post by TheMajinRedComet » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:31 pm

I want to go see in the theater, so I can hear Chris Sabat in a movie theater. Anyways... Movie versions are sometimes very different from the source materials, because it is the only way it works. Fox/ the director is not trying to make us hate the movie, hell considering all the re-shots and changes it seems that they are trying to make us happy. I do think Goku is not portrayed the best in this trailer, but maybe he is more Goku like in the other 99% of the movie.
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Post by JAPPO » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:34 pm

Mizugi wrote:I find all of this a very amusing read because if they had put up an EXACT replication of the manga the same people would probably be complaining. Imagine Chatwin's Gokuu seeing the capsule bike and being beside himself in amazement. "WHAT IS THAT? ARE YOU A WITCH? *Poke poke*" Now imagine him flying around on the Kinto'un. Imagine his lines all sounding like they were being written by Larry the Cable Guy.

IT DOESN'T TRANSLATE INTO REAL LIFE.

It's the same reason Wolverine didn't wear yellow spandex in the X-Men movie. You have to take liberties and deviate from the source material in order to adapt the story successfully to a different medium. Were people up in arms about the no yellow spandex at the time? Yeah, but once people saw the movie they saw that it WORKED, and they did it for a reason.
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Post by Big Momma » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:39 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:So did anybody see the new trailer? Yamcha has a flying cat but it's name isn't Puar. Also, it has a boston accent.
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Post by Kaboom » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:42 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:So, do we ignore the hypocrisy of it or try to get people not to start with it in the first place?
Mostly that second one, but both "sides" would surely benefit by actually listening to each other.
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Post by Kendamu » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:46 pm

For those saying that Dragonball doesn't translate to real life, FOX isn't making it real, they're making it into a live-action work of fiction. In fictional worlds, you can do a lot of things that don't pass in real life such as, but not limited to, taking a trek to Mordor, becoming Batman, getting trapped in the body of a dog, drive the Mach 5 through a Hot Wheels commercial on acid, see Robin Williams fly around while dressed in tights, and much much more.

In my point-of-view, Dragonball doesn't need to be "real" or "believable." It's about a bunch of people shooting beams at each other and flying around in order to protect or steal orange balls that grant you a wish from a dragon! What's realistic about that?

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