Opinions of Schemmel?

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:12 pm

jjgp1112 wrote: I guess we just have different opinions on the screaming. I never really hated it, at least once they got better.

There was some improvement in the second clip, but not that much, I find it especially unbearable because I have heard better from Schemmel, I found myself constantly switching over to the dub cast on Burst Limit just to see how he handled a scene, which is a huge deal for me, because I can't stand the FUNimation dub.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:14 pm

B wrote:Schemmel seems to capture the innocence naivity of Goku in the recent games, but back when the show was airing, he made him sound more stupid than naive, which I guess is interchangeable with Goku, seeing as how people can't possibly be so dense all their life, no matter how pure they are.

I also liked his serious moments, mainly in the Buu Saga when he's trying to talk sense into Vegeta during their fight and when they need to perform Potara Fusion. Love the scene.

So, yeah, I think he's good and getting better as of late.

My favorite serious Goku moment was during the Babidi saga when Vegeta killed the audience members. He was awesome in that scene.

And I love his badass SSJ4 voice.

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:14 pm

Peter Kelamis is the actor I like best. His high voice really suits Goku.
In addition, he pronouces the names of techniques in perfect way, like Kaiiioookeeeeeen(not Kayowken).
Sean Schemmel sounds too heroic

for Goku I guess. And Ian J. Corllet just reminds me of Mega Man.

The worst one is Kirby Morrow. His poor screaming irritates me.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:16 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:The first clip is beyond horrible, but even the second clip embodies everything I hate about the FUNimation dub; "RAAH! "UR" "UR" "URRYAHH"!, it all sounds so forced and unconvincing.

Agreed. I remember when I still kind of kept tabs on the dub, I traveled to New York to see the English premiere of the Cowboy Bebop: Knockin' on Heaven's Door film. Near the end, there's a particular fight scene where it literally sounds like the two characters involved are beating the crap out of eachother.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Y41FCMkOFnQ

See? That's what a dubbed fight should sound like, IMHO. There's "ughs" and "ahs," but not every single moment. Back then it served as a massive contrast to FUNi's handling of fights in DragonBall.

-Corey

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:22 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:See? That's what a dubbed fight should sound like, IMHO. There's "ughs" and "ahs," but not every single moment. Back then it served as a massive contrast to FUNi's handling of fights in DragonBall.

-Corey

Totally agreed. Though of course Bebop's dub was actually professional in whom it cast, wrote for, and directed. ;p

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:22 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Y41FCMkOFnQ

See? That's what a dubbed fight should sound like, IMHO. There's "ughs" and "ahs," but not every single moment. Back then it served as a massive contrast to FUNi's handling of fights in DragonBall.

-Corey

Not to say that the scene was bad, but we must have different ears, because I heard grunts every 2 seconds during that fight.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:29 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Not to say that the scene was bad, but we must have different ears, because I heard grunts every 2 seconds during that fight.

Yeah, but note how they coincided with actually blows and such. They seemed in place. Whereas with FUNi's dub, it seems like if you're breathing and in a fight, you must be making noise.

Not to mention, Steve Blum and whomever played Vincent don't seem to play it to the cheap seats, so to speak.

-Corey

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:43 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:Not to say that the scene was bad, but we must have different ears, because I heard grunts every 2 seconds during that fight.
Yeah, but note how they coincided with actually blows and such. They seemed in place. Whereas with FUNi's dub, it seems like if you're breathing and in a fight, you must be making noise.

Not to mention, Steve Blum and whomever played Vincent don't seem to play it to the cheap seats, so to speak.

-Corey

Ah...I see. And I tend to agree with you on that. A lot of the grunts and noises are random and all over the place during the fast moving fight scenes in DBZ.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:58 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:Interesting since movie 8's dub is very accurately written. Also, Schemmel acted the goofiness of Goku pretty good for the most part in it. What was it about his lines that drove ya' nuts?

I really can't put my finger on it. I just remember thinking that Goku's actor, I didn't know who he was at the time, was really off his mark. I found it to be weird because I really enjoyed his work on the TV series, in the Buu saga anyway. His delivery of line "You must be a Saiyan!" irked me something fierce.

Seems I have mixed feelings about Mr. Schemmel after all.

That said, I also believe that Vic Mignogna's (or however the hell it's spelled) and Chris Sabat's performances also had something to do with it. But that's for another thread. Not to mention that I was becoming more and more enthralled with the Japanese version at that point in time.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:00 pm

SatoSky wrote:
Conan the SSJ wrote:Interesting since movie 8's dub is very accurately written. Also, Schemmel acted the goofiness of Goku pretty good for the most part in it. What was it about his lines that drove ya' nuts?
I really can't put my finger on it. I just remember thinking that Goku's actor, I didn't know who he was at the time, was really off his mark. I found it to be weird because I really enjoyed his work on the TV series, in the Buu saga anyway. His delivery of line "You must be a Saiyan!" irked me something fierce. Seems I have mixed feelings about Mr. Schemmel after all.

That said, I also believe that Vic Mignogna's (or however the hell it's spelled) and Chris Sabat's performances also had something to do with it. But that's for another thread. Not to mention that I was becoming more and more enthralled with the Japanese version at that point in time.

The "You must be a Saiyan!" line was pretty cheesy sounding. I guess since he had to use the quirky and goofy Goku voice for the whole movie beforehand, it must've been pretty hard for him to deliver a serious line well.

Tamagon · Post by **Tamagon** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:07 pm

He sounds good outside of Season 3.

Though his grunts and such are just ugh.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:12 pm

While I can't comment much on Schemmel's performance past season 3 (Ocean, woohoo! ... or, not so woohoo, if you didn't grow up with the Ocean cast as your DBZ voices...), I can say that his performance in video games (especially Burst Limit) is incredible.

I can't say how overjoyed I was with his correct pronounciation of "Kaiō-ken", or his general delivery in the SSJ on Namek portion ("That Earthling's name... IS [KURIRIIIIIINNNN]!!!!!" springs to mind). And I feel I need to make a seperate thread on "I am Son Goku... A SUPER SAIYAN!!!!!!!!!!1111shiftone". The delivery, the screaming, the dialogue (I actually got chills and almost teared up at hearing "Son Goku", something I never, ever thought I'd hear Schemmel's Goku say)... I think I wet my luxury elastic 100% cotton shorts.

So, in short (haha), as of 2008... Schemmel is the best English Goku evAr.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:28 pm

I really wish Schemmel would've redubbed Season 3. He could've been awesome.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:27 pm

I heard he likes listening to season 3's old performance mainly to see how he's improved; I've also heard he actually passed out doing SSJ3's scream. Like the guy or not, if the latter fact is true, then I believe he deserves some props. THAT's dedication.

Personally? I like him, once he gets good. My nostalgia is mostly for the Buu saga, so I don't know just HOW bad he is beforehand.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:55 pm

Yeah, how can you not respect the man when he's actually passed out from being so dedicated to his job. And didn't he take breathing classes as well?

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:08 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Yeah, how can you not respect the man when he's actually passed out from being so dedicated to his job. And didn't he take breathing classes as well?

He teaches 'em.

Yeah, Schemmel and Eric Vale have passed out before recording DBZ, the latter while recording under I believe Chris Sabat, who I believe laughed at him (or maybe it was McFarland).

I like Schemmel enough, as I grew up with him, although I still think Nozawa is better.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:20 pm

I think I'll always prefer Schemmel. He's the Goku for me, and anyone else besides Nozawa would sound akward for me.

Suupaa Gohan 2 · Post by **Suupaa Gohan 2** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:20 pm

Hate the man. Always have.

Even if not for the fact that, to me, Ian Corlett is the DEFINITIVE Gokou in any language outside of the original, those old interviews from back in the day (many of you remember the ones) always just rubbed me the wrong way...in those days, everyone was up in arms over Mr. Christopher 'I-Do-Half-The-Voices-In-DBZ' Sabat, but to me, Schemmel was the real problem. Sabat at least tried, it seemed; yeah, almost all his major characters sucked in the Season 3 dub, but he did attempt to give the minor characters accents to set them apart (wildy inappropriate or not, he did try), whereas Schemmel seemed to let the whole 'I'm Gokou, I'm awesome' thing go waaaay to his head, way too soon.

To me I'll always remember having to endure the constipated grunting and groaning of Season 3 Gokou and then flashing back to the interviews from around the same time period where he not only thinks he's awesome, but thinks he's better for the role than Nozawa fucking Masako. I think that's unforgivable. Say what you will about a woman playing a giant testosterone-oozing muscleman, because I think we all know it's just something that doesn't translate well into American culture, but a voice actor - especially a newbie, which Schemmel very much was at the time - has to have some pretty fucking huge balls to insult the original, especially someone so iconic as Nozawa and for such a role as the definitive and one-and-only Son Gokou. I honestly think those interviews are to blame more than anything for me hating the man so much, but there you have it.

Of course there's also the fact that he's since been reduced to primarily doing voicework for 4Kids in their increasingly bad dubs and making a bigger and bigger fool of himself for each role he's cast in, thinking he's invincible just because the entire country will always love him for his Gokou, so it's okay if he makes an even bigger ass of himself in these roles.

Oh wait, no. Those don't make me hate him more, they make me laugh my ass off to see how far the mighty 'I'm Gokou' has fallen. My mistake.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:23 pm

SG2, you wouuldn'[tm ind linking me to one of those interviews would you? I may have seriously misjudged Mr. Schemmel...

Suupaa Gohan 2 · Post by **Suupaa Gohan 2** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:29 pm

I really wish I knew where I could find them, but back in the day I remember they were on the now-long-dead DBZOA. If anyone else knows the interviews I'm talking about, though, a link would be much appreciated.