Opinions of Schemmel?

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:32 am

jjgp1112 wrote:But back when Schemmel voiced Goku in the Tenkaichi Budokai, he was younger than DBZ Goku. And in my opinion, his voice in Seasons 1 & 2 sounded pretty similar to that anyway. Higher pitched, more light-hearted, etc.

Well I don't see the fact that he was younger had anything to do with it just like how Tenshinhan, Yamucha, and Kuririn, never had to go around in the post 23rd Budokai episodes dub saying, (100% figuratively with the tone of their performances), "I'm older now listen to my voice".

I also believe he voiced Goku like he did in the 23rd Budokai in Budokai 2 but it's been so long since I played it. However I believe that was how he was trying to portray Goku permanently until the anime started getting redubs.

jjgp1112 wrote:And I honestly don't see much of a difference between 23rd Tournament Goku and Season 1/2 Goku.

It's mostly script and portrayal for me. I honestly feel like he's voicing 2 different Gokus instead of realizing that Goku is the same guy from the beginning to the the end of where he flies off with Uub. That also maybe because Funi had 2 different actors portraying him in the first place though.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:32 am

B wrote:Aren't the remastered sets of the first two seasons re-dubbed? They were released after the series finished, when Schemmel started really giving solid performances of Goku. So wouldn't the dub quality there be pretty good, compared to later seasons they didn't bother to redub because they did it once already?

Seasons 1 & 2 were dubbed back in 2003, so the quality of the voice-work should be on par with Movies 8-13.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:54 am

jjgp1112 wrote:
B wrote:Aren't the remastered sets of the first two seasons re-dubbed? They were released after the series finished, when Schemmel started really giving solid performances of Goku. So wouldn't the dub quality there be pretty good, compared to later seasons they didn't bother to redub because they did it once already?
Seasons 1 & 2 were dubbed back in 2003, so the quality of the voice-work should be on par with Movies 8-13.

He said he hadn't voiced the series since 2005, so I think they were done then.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:11 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:
B wrote:Aren't the remastered sets of the first two seasons re-dubbed? They were released after the series finished, when Schemmel started really giving solid performances of Goku. So wouldn't the dub quality there be pretty good, compared to later seasons they didn't bother to redub because they did it once already?
Seasons 1 & 2 were dubbed back in 2003, so the quality of the voice-work should be on par with Movies 8-13.
He said he hadn't voiced the series since 2005, so I think they were done then.

According to a couple of threads, Movie 12, was done by 2004 at the most since a preview of it was on A Hero's Legacy. And I hear their were a couple of lines in Season 1 that were different from the UUC lines.

Vekurotto wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:And I honestly don't see much of a difference between 23rd Tournament Goku and Season 1/2 Goku.
It's mostly script and portrayal for me. I honestly feel like he's voicing 2 different Gokus instead of realizing that Goku is the same guy from the beginning to the the end of where he flies off with Uub. That also maybe because Funi had 2 different actors portraying him in the first place though.

I don't know... in Seasons 1 & 2, it seem like he portrayed them the same. I'm watching 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai clips right now, and I just finished watching Season 1 a few days ago, and am currently watching Season 2, (I'm in the process of watching the show from the beginning) and that's how it sounds to me.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:21 pm

Sorry for the double post, but I remember a video that Tanooki posted showing all of Goku's English VA's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtSiqZBrNNc

Tamagon · Post by **Tamagon** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:25 pm

I don't mind any of the voices.

But then again, I probably have low standards.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:46 pm

Found another interesting video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8msIE2JS ... re=related

Dark Vegeta-Sama · Post by **Dark Vegeta-Sama** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:58 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
B wrote:Aren't the remastered sets of the first two seasons re-dubbed? They were released after the series finished, when Schemmel started really giving solid performances of Goku. So wouldn't the dub quality there be pretty good, compared to later seasons they didn't bother to redub because they did it once already?
Seasons 1 & 2 were dubbed back in 2003, so the quality of the voice-work should be on par with Movies 8-13.

FUNimation only reacquired the rights to dub seasons 1 and 2 from Pioneer on August 31st, 2003. They didn't begin dubbing right away however, nor did they for about a year and a half. The formal redubbing of seasons 1 and 2 was done in early-to-mid 2005.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:09 pm

Dark Vegeta-Sama wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:
B wrote:Aren't the remastered sets of the first two seasons re-dubbed? They were released after the series finished, when Schemmel started really giving solid performances of Goku. So wouldn't the dub quality there be pretty good, compared to later seasons they didn't bother to redub because they did it once already?
Seasons 1 & 2 were dubbed back in 2003, so the quality of the voice-work should be on par with Movies 8-13.
FUNimation only reacquired the rights to dub seasons 1 and 2 from Pioneer on August 31st, 2003. They didn't begin dubbing right away however, nor did they for about a year and a half. The formal redubbing of seasons 1 and 2 was done in early-to-mid 2005.

But a preview of the redubs was shown on the A Hero's Legacy DVD, which came out in late 2004.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:10 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:But a preview of the redubs was shown on the A Hero's Legacy DVD, which came out in late 2004.

I have no idea of what happened myself, but it's possible that they did a "dry run" and just dubbed a couple of clips for that release.

-Corey

Kirbopher · Post by **Kirbopher** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:08 pm

One time I ran into him on the streets of NY, but I think I told that story on here one time.

Oh, his relation to Goku? Yeah he does an good job I think.

El Diabeetus · Post by **El Diabeetus** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:15 pm

I went and watched parts 3 and 4 of the NY Comic Con, with Schemmel, he said he respects Mrs. Nozawa and he'd love to meet her, something along the lines of that. He also said, he wants to go to Japan and say one line in Japanese in an anime, someday.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:37 pm

SSJ4 Furanki wrote:I went and watched parts 3 and 4 of the NY Comic Con, with Schemmel, he said he respects Mrs. Nozawa and he'd love to meet her, something along the lines of that. He also said, he wants to go to Japan and say one line in Japanese in an anime, someday.

Wish they'd do something like how they tried for the Conquerer of Shamballa premiere with Ms. Nozawa meeting Mr. Schemmel and Ms. Nadolny.

Joey Batz · Post by **Joey Batz** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:16 pm

I will admit that I'm a bit biased towards Schemmel, since I started watching from Season 3. Having only discovered the other voices of Goku relatively recently, he remains the true (English) Goku in my eyes. With that said, though, I've watched the "Goku's Many English Voice Talents" youtube clip a number of times with a genuinely open mind, fully aware of my bias and trying to work around it. After all, within a few months, I've come to grow fond of Masako Nozawa's Goku voice (with my opinions going from that Goku sounds like a 10 year old girl, to Goku's voice actress sounds good but just doesn't fit, to Goku's voice actress is tied for the best Goku period), so it's not like I've been unable to do so. I just wanted to put that out there before I gave my opinion:

The other English voice actors (in other words, everybody but Schemmel) are garbage. Seriously, wow. Garbage. The Ocean cast in general was the worst thing I've ever seen, and I fully admit that Schemmel and the rest were pretty atrocious in Season 3. I do, in hindsight at least. But the Funimation cast at its WORST was better than the Ocean cast at its BEST. When I first heard the Ocean dub, I SERIOUSLY thought it was a fandub. To be fair, Brian Drummond wasn't a terrible Vegeta (his "YOU WON'T ESCAPE MY WRATH" line was truly great and he should have been doing that ALL the time), though the voice didn't fit the character by the time of the Buu Saga. But, as for Goku, Ian Cortlett I think sounded terrible. Kirby Morrow sounded, I don't know, but it just didn't sound good at all. When he went Super Saiyan 3, he sounded like a generic villain (even Schemmel's gravelly SSJ4 Goku didn't sound so generic, it actually sounded pretty badass). As for the rest of his performance, it sounded pretty dispensable (the scream would have been awesome had it been a different character, but it didn't really seem like Goku. I kind of thought he was going to start talking like a surfer dude). Peter Kelamis was the best of the 3, but he too was tough to listen to. In his defense, he had a single point in one of the movies where his acting was inexplicably amazing (in Movie 2, where he uses the Kaioken x3. That scream directly after made it sound as if Goku was using so much power that it actually hurt), but other than that, garbage.

Schemmel, on the other hand, really conveys Goku's silliness and naiviette in certain scenes, his dedication and devotion to protecting his friends in others, so on and so forth. Even if he doesn't use the hick slang, I think his tone of voice gets it right. Nowadays at least. Like I said, I am fully aware of the atrociousness that is his Season 3 performance. His whole "Ally to good, nightmare to you speech". Being in Ginyu's body and going "The pain is too strong and I can't go on". And the Kamehameha dump. I've heard it and cringed at it. But his performance there is STILL better than that of the other actors. And his more recent portrayals of Goku were simply amazing. Even if I hadn't been biased like I said before, I truly believe that I would see Schemmel as the definitive English Goku.

I know I'm going to catch some flak from Ocean fans and people who don't like Schemmel. Hey, it's just an opinion. I'm not going to change yours and you're not going to change mine, no matter what. So can we at least agree that Nozawa was an awesome Goku?

El Diabeetus · Post by **El Diabeetus** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:24 pm

Joey Batz wrote:I will admit that I'm a bit biased towards Schemmel, since I started watching from Season 3. Having only discovered the other voices of Goku relatively recently, he remains the true (English) Goku in my eyes. With that said, though, I've watched the "Goku's Many English Voice Talents" youtube clip a number of times with a genuinely open mind, fully aware of my bias and trying to work around it. After all, within a few months, I've come to grow fond of Masako Nozawa's Goku voice (with my opinions going from that Goku sounds like a 10 year old girl, to Goku's voice actress sounds good but just doesn't fit, to Goku's voice actress is tied for the best Goku period), so it's not like I've been unable to do so. I just wanted to put that out there before I gave my opinion:

The other English voice actors (in other words, everybody but Schemmel) are garbage. Seriously, wow. Garbage. The Ocean cast in general was the worst thing I've ever seen, and I fully admit that Schemmel and the rest were pretty atrocious in Season 3. I do, in hindsight at least. But the Funimation cast at its WORST was better than the Ocean cast at its BEST. When I first heard the Ocean dub, I SERIOUSLY thought it was a fandub. To be fair, Brian Drummond wasn't a terrible Vegeta (his "YOU WON'T ESCAPE MY WRATH" line was truly great and he should have been doing that ALL the time), though the voice didn't fit the character by the time of the Buu Saga. But, as for Goku, Ian Cortlett I think sounded terrible. Kirby Morrow sounded, I don't know, but it just didn't sound good at all. When he went Super Saiyan 3, he sounded like a generic villain (even Schemmel's gravelly SSJ4 Goku didn't sound so generic, it actually sounded pretty badass). As for the rest of his performance, it sounded pretty dispensable (the scream would have been awesome had it been a different character, but it didn't really seem like Goku. I kind of thought he was going to start talking like a surfer dude). Peter Kelamis was the best of the 3, but too was tough to listen to. In his defense, he had a single point in one of the movies where his acting was inexplicably amazing (in Movie 2, where he uses the Kaioken x2. That scream directly after made it sound as if Goku was using so much power that it actually hurt), but other than that, garbage.

Schemmel, on the other hand, really conveys Goku's silliness and naiviette in certain scenes, his dedication and devotion to protecting his friends in others, so on and so forth. Even if he doesn't use the hick slang, I think his tone of voice gets it right. Nowadays at least. Like I said, I am fully aware of the atrociousness that is his Season 3 performance. His whole "Ally to good, nightmare to you speech". Being in Ginyu's body and going "The pain is too strong and I can't go on". And the Kamehameha dump. I've heard it and cringed at it. But his performance there is STILL better than that of the other actors. And his more recent portrayals of Goku were simply amazing. Even if I hadn't been biased like I said before, I truly believe that I would see Schemmel as the definitive English Goku.

I know I'm going to catch some flak from Ocean fans and people who don't like Schemmel. Hey, it's just an opinion. I'm not going to change yours and you're not going to change mine, no matter what. So can we at least agree that Nozawa was an awesome Goku?

About Brian Drummond, if he wanted to, he could alter his voice for Buu saga Vegeta, ever heard him as Ryuk in Death Note? I think if he did in between his Vegeta voice and his Ryuk voice, you'd have a perfect Buu saga Vegeta.

Yeah, to me Schemmel is the true English Goku, but Kelamis and Corlett weren't bad at all. But, if we were talking about which English Goku is your favorite, whether it be official or not, it'd be MasakoX. He takes the best parts of Mrs. Nozawa, Mr. Schemmel, Mr. Kelamis and Mr. Corlett, (since I addressed Masako Nozawa as Mrs., I listed the rest as Mr.) and makes the ultimate voice for Goku in my opinion. But for official English it's Schemmel.

I know this thread isn't about who's your favorite English Goku, but still, I wanted to say that.

Dark Vegeta-Sama · Post by **Dark Vegeta-Sama** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:30 pm

SSJ4 Furanki wrote:About Brian Drummond, if he wanted to, he could alter his voice for Buu saga Vegeta, ever heard him as Ryuk in Death Note? I think if he did in between his Vegeta voice and his Ryuk voice, you'd have a perfect Buu saga Vegeta.

That's....pretty much what he did, most of the time.

For a perfect example, watch his rendition of Vegeta's suicide in the "Final Atonement" episode (English 222, Japanese 237). His dialogue leading up to his self-explosion attack on Buu sounds exactly like what you're talking about.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:32 pm

To lightly touch on Vegeta, my biggest complaint about his English actors: they don't sound like princes. I think Sabat could incorporate such a thing if it was ever suggested to him...or if the dialogue was better.

Alas...

As for Son, again Schemmel is the one I grew up on, never knowing of the differences between Corlett, Kelamis, and he. It wasn't until about five years ago I learned of differing casts.

El Diabeetus · Post by **El Diabeetus** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:32 pm

Dark Vegeta-Sama wrote:
SSJ4 Furanki wrote:About Brian Drummond, if he wanted to, he could alter his voice for Buu saga Vegeta, ever heard him as Ryuk in Death Note? I think if he did in between his Vegeta voice and his Ryuk voice, you'd have a perfect Buu saga Vegeta.
That's....pretty much what he did, most of the time.

For a perfect example, watch his rendition of Vegeta's suicide in the "Final Atonement" episode (English 222, Japanese 237). His dialogue leading up to his self-explosion attack on Buu sounds exactly like what you're talking about.

Oh, I haven't gotten a chance to see that scene from the Ocean Dub. But, yeah. Brian Drummond is one of my favorite VA's ever.

Joey Batz · Post by **Joey Batz** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:43 pm

SSJ4 Furanki wrote:Yeah, to me Schemmel is the true English Goku, but Kelamis and Corlett weren't bad at all. But, if we were talking about which English Goku is your favorite, whether it be official or not, it'd be MasakoX.

I'm sorry. Who's that?

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:45 pm

Joey Batz wrote:
SSJ4 Furanki wrote:Yeah, to me Schemmel is the true English Goku, but Kelamis and Corlett weren't bad at all. But, if we were talking about which English Goku is your favorite, whether it be official or not, it'd be MasakoX.
I'm sorry. Who's that?

MasakoX is this Gokû: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj9IdUR7qaw&fmt=18