On-Topic thread of Awesomeness!

[Chrono Trigger]

I was going to try to rake together a little composite description of movie-Goku's personality as we know see it, but... I'm not sure if it would do any good.

Nope because according to Gozar it's not enough.

[Gozar]

I have, logically.

Really? Because all I hear is. "It's an adaption"

Have you noticed me say that Chatku CANT'T be Goku because of the situations in which he was raised?

Which is my problem.

Nope because according to Gozar it's not enough.

What do you really expect?

"Oh gee, Goku's nothing like the real Goku. He has a crush on Chi-Chi and is full of teen angst. Let me praise it."

If that's what you're expecting from people as more and more information becomes available then you're not in for a happy time.

[Pitzu]

Really? Because all I hear is. "It's an adaption"

Have you noticed me say that Chatku CANT'T be Goku because of the situations in which he was raised?

Which is my problem.

Who are you to say that, if Goku were raised in Chatku's situation, he wouldn't act the same?

[Gozar]

Who are you to say that, if Goku were raised in Chatku's situation, he wouldn't act the same?

^This message brought to you by the Department of the Obvious.

But the fact is that Goku WAS raised in the woods and IS a hick.

[Rena Rune]

He probably wouldn't act the same, no. Both Gokus should really end up diverging into something similar to DBZ adult Goku and I'm unsure I can see Chatwin's Goku doing that.

Either way Goku's upbringing is too important a part of him to ignore.

[Acid_Reign]

Who are you to say that, if Goku were raised in Chatku's situation, he wouldn't act the same?

Who are you to say he would?

This isn’t a what-if scenario, it’s a misappropriation. Gokū behaves the way he does because of who he is. Change that, and you take away what makes him likable to us in the first place. Why should existing fans have to get reacquainted with their favorite characters when they sit down to watch a movie ostensibly about them?

[Herms]

The guy had 3 lines of dialog in the trailer and people just condemn him to death. :lol:

Well, those are the only lines he has in them. What do you want people to do, go by lines he doesn't have?

[DBHighDefinition]

It's just like my late Uncle said: "Someday, a legend will be born...a legend that will touch the hearts of millions of fans around the world like no other...but, you can always count on ONE to fuck over the memories you hold dear."

...The sad thing is, he actually DID say that.

I miss my uncle...

[Chrono Trigger]

If that's what you're expecting from people as more and more information becomes available then you're not in for a happy time.

*shrugs shoulders* I don't really have any expectations. It's all just a matter of how you interpret things. You say it's blasphemy, I say "It's whatever dude." I honestly respect everyone's opinion.

Well, those are the only lines he has in them. What do you want people to do, go by lines he doesn't have?

Or...OR! You could just go by the thinking that those lines might not be related to his character as a whole and that they were just plucked out and stuck in the trailer.

[Herms]

Or...OR! You could just go by the thinking that those lines might not be related to his character as a whole and that they were just plucked out and stuck in the trailer.

So assume that every single line he has in the trailer actually bears no relation to how his character is in the movie? That takes a good deal of faith, I must say.

[Chuquita]

Who are you to say that, if Goku were raised in Chatku's situation, he wouldn't act the same?

Who are you to say he would?

This isn’t a what-if scenario, it’s a misappropriation. Gokū behaves the way he does because of who he is. Change that, and you take away what makes him likable to us in the first place. Why should existing fans have to get reacquainted with their favorite characters when they sit down to watch a movie ostensibly about them?

And that's the kicker that's keeping me away. While other parts of the movie may interest me, they are, for the most part, outweighed by what's been done to Goku's backstory.


I adore raised-in-the-woods naive-about-society-in-general Goku. I mean geez he was the character that drew me into this series in the first place; he's so unique you know.



If I wanted to read about an angsty teen with hidden powers who's eyes glow red when he gets upset, is mostly spurned by his peers and has a crush on that one girl, I'd read Naruto.
But I have no interest in that sort of thing, I find it horribly cliche.



It really is the thing that bothers me most about this adaption. I mean, I can accept some things (like them changing Mai around, and brunette Bulma) but Goku's like the "do not alter this" area that it just depresses me to see changed.

[JulieYBM]

I don't see why Son's background had to be changed. Let's look at other 'comic book films':

Spider-Man: Peter Parker is a nerdy high school boy from Queens who has a bit of a snob for a best friend (Harry), has his love interests, and has Uncle Ben die.
Batman Begins: Bruce Wayne is a young rich boy living in the worst city in America, crime and poverty-wise. His good sammaratin (spell?) parents are gunned down by the very people they wished to help.

Both of those films had faithful--if revised to fit the film's plot and scope--origins for the leads. This film could have spent five opening minutes with Son narrating his past as a mountain hick and the Dragonballs and building up the characters through the plot and eventually culminating with a summoning of the dragon that Son speaks so vividly and excited about via narration. This could have been a character piece structured action film. 'Getting inside the mind of a hick discovering so many of the things we take for granted' offering up both an action flick and a unique and unforgettable character amongst all the comic heroes. Instead, we don't have that.

[Chrono Trigger]

So assume that every single line he has in the trailer actually bears no relation to how his character is in the movie? That takes a good deal of faith, I must say.

Really? All he says is "...Cool..." and "If we go we go together." One scene is after Gohan's death and the other they are just having a regular conversation. Somehow outta that people got "Emo" and "Angst"?

[Innagadadavida]

I don't see why Son's background had to be changed. Let's look at other 'comic book films':

Spider-Man: Peter Parker is a nerdy high school boy from Queens who has a bit of a snob for a best friend (Harry), has his love interests, and has Uncle Ben die.
Batman Begins: Bruce Wayne is a young rich boy living in the worst city in America, crime and poverty-wise. His good sammaratin (spell?) parents are gunned down by the very people they wished to help.

Of course they didn't have to change Goku's background. But it's not like they just changed it for no reason. They FELT like they had to make the character so that middle Americans (the target audience) can relate.
At least that's my perception.

Look at those two examples. They are "big city white guy becomes hero." Now what is Evolution Goku?

[MisterFlashdude]

So assume that every single line he has in the trailer actually bears no relation to how his character is in the movie? That takes a good deal of faith, I must say.

Really? All he says is "...Cool..." and "If we go we go together." One scene is after Gohan's death and the other they are just having a regular conversation. Somehow outta that people got "Emo" and "Angst"?

*Shakes his head in dismay... Looks at the title of the thread... looks back to the first page...*

I think... in this thread at least, we're going on more than the trailer...

[Chrono Trigger]

*Shakes his head in dismay... Looks at the title of the thread... looks back to the first page...*

I think... in this thread at least, we're going on more than the trailer...

Man don't be all snarky about it! Obviously we have more to go on but I was referring specially to the trailer and how afterward all people were talking about was "...cool..." and condemned him to death.

[Kaboom]

I've decided to do that comparison after all. I'm not going to try arguing or swaying anyone with this, I just feel I should lay out the facts, because there seems to be a LOT of big claims coming from both "sides" with nothing or very little to back them...

Movie-Goku compared to series Goku
(Primarily concerning personality)

Similarities:
~ Both are Saiyans, and as such:

• Have strong natural drives to fight.
• Have voracious appetites.
• Transform into an ape-creature due to the moon (specific reasons or circumstances may differ, we have yet to learn exactly how "Movie-Zaru" works)

~ Both are naive and unfamiliar with "how the world works" to some degree.
~ Both are described as "heroic, gentle, and optimistic."
~ Both live out in the country where they were raised by their kind, old martial-artist adoptive grandfathers.
~ Both are driven primarily by revenge in their taking action against Piccolo.

Differences:
~ Movie-Goku when we first meet him is several years older than series-Goku was.
~ So far as we know, Movie-Goku has not undergone the "brain-scrambling" head trauma that his series counterpart did, and as such, his "Saiyan" nature seems more prevalent than any goofy, innocent personality he may have.
~ Stemming from the "older" detail, Grandpa Gohan has been an influence in Movie-Goku's life for a good deal longer than series-Goku. (Most prominently, Gohan seems to be the movie's equivalent of the head trauma, raising Goku to be kind, courteous, and peaceful while training him in martial arts as an outlet for his strength and combative nature.)
~ Movie-Goku seems to have an interest in girls (or at least, just for Chi-Chi), at a level that is as of yet not very clear. This may also stem partially from the "no personality reversal" point.
~ Movie-Goku is in school. (This may be a natural result of the combination of his age and Gohan still being around.) He sucks at it.


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Spider-Man: Peter Parker is a nerdy high school boy from Queens who has a bit of a snob for a best friend (Harry), has his love interests, and has Uncle Ben die.

Actually, there's some decent differences from the original comics. Peter never even met Mary Jane or Harry until college. He had no specific love interest at the start of the series, and he went through several others before he or the readers ever even laid eyes on MJ.

Yet in spite of the changes in both fields, it still worked. The Spider-Man films, and the relationships between their incarnations of the characters, ended up very well-done, enjoyable, and successful.

[Bussani]

But now we have proof that this movie is nothing like DragonBall and the best people can come up with is "It's an adaption, not meant to be like the original. Live with it."...That's just a pathetic defense. This is a franchise that many people here have loved for a decase and beyond. To see it bastardaized in such a way is disgraceful.

You call it a pathetic defense, but some of us actually like when something is told in a different way. We find alternate universes interesting. This movie might not be good, I can't say before seeing it and it doesn't seem very original (don't get me started on originality though), but the script JAPPO posted makes me more excited to see it because it's not as bad as I thought it could be. I think it will entertain me even if it turned out to be horribly corny and cliche.

I guess I'm just the kind of person that likes seeing weird and/or obscure (obviously this movie isn't obscure) additions to franchises I enjoy.

Now, I'm not saying you can't dislike the movie. I think it's weird to hate something you haven't seen yet, but you're guessing from what you've seen so far that you will. That's fine. But to me you're coming off as rude to people who don't agree with you, going on about how 'it's an adaption' is a pathetic defense. It isn't a pathetic defense, you just don't like when things get changed. Which, again, is fine. But don't insult people because they don't think the same way as you.

That's not a story. That's a concept. The story is what the characters do with it.

A writer might disagree, telling you the story is the concept and the plot is what the characters do with it. But that's just semantics.

[Pitzu]

I've decided to do that comparison after all. I'm not going to try arguing or swaying anyone with this, I just feel I should lay out the facts, because there seems to be a LOT of big claims coming from both "sides" with nothing or very little to back them...

Movie-Goku compared to series Goku
(Primarily concerning personality)

Similarities:
~ Both are Saiyans, and as such:

• Have strong natural drives to fight.
• Have voracious appetites.
• Transform into an ape-creature due to the moon (specific reasons or circumstances may differ, we have yet to learn exactly how "Movie-Zaru" works)

~ Both are naive and unfamiliar with "how the world works" to some degree.
~ Both are described as "heroic, gentle, and optimistic."
~ Both live out in the country where they were raised by their kind, old martial-artist adoptive grandfathers.
~ Both are driven primarily by revenge in their taking action against Piccolo.

Differences:
~ Movie-Goku when we first meet him is several years older than series-Goku was.
~ So far as we know, Movie-Goku has not undergone the "brain-scrambling" head trauma that his series counterpart did, and as such, his "Saiyan" nature seems more prevalent than any goofy, innocent personality he may have.
~ Stemming from the "older" detail, Grandpa Gohan has been an influence in Movie-Goku's life for a good deal longer than series-Goku. (Most prominently, Gohan seems to be the movie's equivalent of the head trauma, raising Goku to be kind, courteous, and peaceful while training him in martial arts as an outlet for his strength and combative nature.)
~ Movie-Goku seems to have an interest in girls (or at least, just for Chi-Chi), at a level that is as of yet not very clear. This may also stem partially from the "no personality reversal" point.
~ Movie-Goku is in school. (This may be a natural result of the combination of his age and Gohan still being around.) He sucks at it.

I see nothing wrong with it.




Also, Gozar is a retarded fanboy

[Innagadadavida]

Also, Gozar is a retarded fanboy

NO! BAD! Name calling is bad!