Dragon Ball: Evolution- Speculation and Discussion

Post by **Herms** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:12 am

Suupaa Gohan 2 wrote:I think he secretly sabotaged GT with those horrible designs to make fans dislike it from the get-go, putting a stop to his mad creation once and for all.

Putting a stop to his mad money-making creation that he no longer had to do any work for? Somehow I doubt it.

Rena Rune · Post by **Rena Rune** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:23 pm

Honestly, this is how it should be. Goku should be completely clueless as to what "love" actually is. There's something kind of sweet about Chichi actually showing him what it means. I also like how it points out how ridiculous the whole idea of marriage really is.

I hate the insistance that certain changes have to be made to Goku, or that him being a "new Goku" is anything but negative. Bastardisation, as I said before, is a destructive force, not a creative one.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:45 pm

So is it really bad to want to see a different take on a character? Is something like that taking things outta the box?

Rena Rune · Post by **Rena Rune** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:50 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:So is it really bad to want to see a different take on a character? Is something like that taking things outta the box?

Oh for fuck's sake.

Goku, as he was, is a unique and special character. Bringing over Dragonball and disregarding that for a shitty bastardisation that a bunch of gullible fans end up defending is a "bad" thing. If you're not going to do that, don't call it Dragonball. There's only so far a different "take" on a character can go, especially when that aspect of the character you're disregarding is so integral to what it's all about.

We don't NEED a shitty new Goku. And why would you want a character that's just a complete bastardisation? A generic "I'm not ready for this" kid?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:54 pm

Rena Rune wrote:We don't NEED a shitty new Goku.

We also don't NEED bad attitudes about the whole thing, nor condescending attitudes towards people who don't mind it.

The simple fact of the matter is that it IS a new take on Goku (and DragonBall in general), there's nothing that can be done to change how it's been made, and some people seem okay with it being that way. Don't go flaunting your opinion about it as if it's the only valid one and anyone who disagrees is a gullible moron.

Not to dig up old arguments, but weren't you the one protesting things like the board's word filters, claiming that it was against free speech, and people could use whatever name for the characters they want, and all that? Now when people have that same sort of mindset about the movie, you respond with "oh for fuck's sake," and calling us "gullible."

Make up your mind. You're not only coming across as confrontational, but now as a hypocrite as well.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:58 pm

Rena Rune wrote:Oh for fuck's sake.

Goku, as he was, is a unique and special character. Bringing over Dragonball and disregarding that for a shitty bastardisation that a bunch of gullible fans end up defending is a "bad" thing. If you're not going to do that, don't call it Dragonball. There's only so far a different "take" on a character can go, especially when that aspect of the character you're disregarding is so integral to what it's all about.

We don't NEED a shitty new Goku. And why would you want a character that's just a complete bastardisation? A generic "I'm not ready for this" kid?

I don't know about all this "We" stuff. I love Dragon Ball but I get tired of reading the same thing over and over again. I might not have ASKED for a different interpretation of the story but I'd be interested to see one. I don't see why that makes me a gullible fan or stuff like that.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:08 pm

Rena Rune wrote: We don't NEED a shitty new Goku. And why would you want a character that's just a complete bastardisation? A generic "I'm not ready for this" kid?

It's not that I wanted it so much as I don't mind it. I'm not going to let deviations from the source ruin my enjoyment of a potentially fun adventure/martial arts film that is a loose adaptation of a franchise I enjoy. Even if the movie sucks, what of it? Fox isn't going to run around, erasing our Dragon Ball DVDs and putting their Goku in its place. It's as "harmful" as the One Piece crossover figurines and manga chapter, or those drawings by other manga artists of Dragon Ball characters. Even if I'm ambivalent towards One Piece or don't like those versions of the characters by other artists, it's not like it's a reason to get angry and yell at people who feel otherwise.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:11 pm

Rena Rune wrote:
Chrono Trigger wrote:So is it really bad to want to see a different take on a character? Is something like that taking things outta the box?
Oh for fuck's sake.

Goku, as he was, is a unique and special character. Bringing over Dragonball and disregarding that for a shitty bastardisation that a bunch of gullible fans end up defending is a "bad" thing. If you're not going to do that, don't call it Dragonball. There's only so far a different "take" on a character can go, especially when that aspect of the character you're disregarding is so integral to what it's all about.

We don't NEED a shitty new Goku. And why would you want a character that's just a complete bastardisation? A generic "I'm not ready for this" kid?

Jesus Christ MAN!

You, Oliver Hague and Daburcor should take your overly negative opinions and make a topic where all you do is complain about how awful and evil the movie is! I have never seen such ridiculous over-reaction in my life, outside of religious fundamentalists and hardcore gang members.

Express your opinion in a respectful way, and you will get respect back, even if your opinion is negative, but to swear, curse others out, and make broad, unsubstantiated claims, well, people aren't going to act politely back.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:43 pm

Rena Rune wrote: Oh for fuck's sake.

Indeed.

Bringing over Dragonball and disregarding that for a shitty bastardisation that a bunch of gullible fans end up defending is a "bad" thing.

Wow. Because some fans aren't bitching like you we are "gullible"? Maybe some fans don't give a shit about minor details and just want to enjoy the movie for what it is, not for what some people want it to be.

We don't NEED a shitty new Goku. And why would you want a character that's just a complete bastardisation? A generic "I'm not ready for this" kid?

We don't NEED Dragonball. It's just entertainment. Lighten the hell up.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:54 pm

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:I'm not going to let deviations from the source ruin my enjoyment of a potentially fun adventure/martial arts film that is a loose adaptation of a franchise I enjoy.

Probably one of the best posts I've ever seen in my time here.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:56 pm

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:It's not that I wanted it so much as I don't mind it. I'm not going to let deviations from the source ruin my enjoyment of a potentially fun adventure/martial arts film that is a loose adaptation of a franchise I enjoy. Even if the movie sucks, what of it? Fox isn't going to run around, erasing our Dragon Ball DVDs and putting their Goku in its place.

This. It would be nice if the Goku in the movie was just like the Goku in the manga I suppose, but I guess I really just don't care. If I wanted to see Son Goku from the manga/anime do things, I'd read/watch the manga/anime.

Edit: I mean, we don't even need a live action adaption of it to begin with. What can making the story we like live action possibly add? It's like saying, "I like the Harry Potter books, but...it would be better if it was an anime."

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:04 pm

People are acting like Fox owes them something. They don't. They have the rights, they could make Goku a police officer and Piccolo a thug if they wanted to.

Anyway!

http://translate.google.com/translate?p ... l=es&tl=en

Food products are coming. Goku cereal anyone?

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:08 pm

More than likely they will tie it into snickers bars/happy meals or something. I don't imagine any original stuff coming out.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:13 pm

JAPPO wrote:People are acting like Fox owes them something. They don't. They have the rights, they could make Goku a police officer and Piccolo a thug if they wanted to.

Anyway!

http://translate.google.com/translate?p ... l=es&tl=en

Food products are coming. Goku cereal anyone?

By the way:

"Dragon of the Areas" should actually be translated as "Dragon Balls".

Also, the translation for some reason really mucks up the part where they say who plays who.

The rest is only slightly iffy, and there isn't anything else that doesn't get the "gist" of the original in this automatic translation.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:20 pm

Rena Rune wrote:I hate the insistance that certain changes have to be made to Goku, or that him being a "new Goku" is anything but negative. Bastardisation, as I said before, is a destructive force, not a creative one.

So does a closed mind. I love Dragon Ball as much as you, but I'm open to a reimagination. An American adaptation. The Goku is changed to appeal as a main character to a broader audience. Once they get broken in through the movie, it can introduce them to the Anime or Manga.

The only way Dragon Ball Evolution can negatively impact the franchise is if it's like Catwoman bad. And as we all seen by the trailers, at it's worse it will probably be just a mediocre action flick.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:23 pm

JAPPO wrote:People are acting like Fox owes them something. They don't. They have the rights, they could make Goku a police officer and Piccolo a thug if they wanted to.

Anyway!

http://translate.google.com/translate?p ... l=es&tl=en

Food products are coming. Goku cereal anyone?

*Imagines a Goku and Kuririn buddy-cop movie*.

Fruit snacks.
You know there's gonna be fruit snacks.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:25 pm

Chuquita wrote:Fruit snacks.
You know there's gonna be fruit snacks.

...and Happy Meal toys.

jda95 · Post by **jda95** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:26 pm

Chuquita wrote:
JAPPO wrote:People are acting like Fox owes them something. They don't. They have the rights, they could make Goku a police officer and Piccolo a thug if they wanted to.

Anyway!

http://translate.google.com/translate?p ... l=es&tl=en

Food products are coming. Goku cereal anyone?

*Imagines a Goku and Kuririn buddy-cop movie*.

Fruit snacks.
You know there's gonna be fruit snacks.

Give me fruit snacks. NOW.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:26 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:
Chuquita wrote:Fruit snacks.
You know there's gonna be fruit snacks.
...and Happy Meal toys.

Everyone knows that, for now, the announcement is just for Spain and Portugal.

Right?

Rena Rune · Post by **Rena Rune** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:54 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
Rena Rune wrote:I hate the insistance that certain changes have to be made to Goku, or that him being a "new Goku" is anything but negative. Bastardisation, as I said before, is a destructive force, not a creative one.
So does a closed mind. I love Dragon Ball as much as you, but I'm open to a reimagination.

Oh, bullshit. Reimagination requires the people reimagining it to have imgaination to begin with. There is no point making a Dragonball movie if they are changing it this much. People should be introduced to a character like Goku, and what you describe IS bastardisation. He doesn't NEED to be changed to appeal to a "wider audience" he's fine the way he is.

You didn't actually bother to counter any of the points I made, just said the bleeted out dumb argument over again.

You're flinging around phrases like "Closed minded" without understanding what they really mean. If I decide I hate the idea of something off the bat, that doesn't make me a "closed minded" person. There's such a thing as being principled. I utterly dispise the supportive attitude towards this movie, even if it turns out to be a "decent" movie I enjoy on some level, there's no excuse for it.