Do you like GT?

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:58 pm

I like the Tsufuru-jin stuff that expands a little on the history of the Saiya-jin, but it's all executed pretty poorly.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:00 pm

GT: Good ideas, poor execution. I think that about sums it up.

Scarz · Post by **Scarz** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:18 pm

I actually watching it again since I haven't in many years. And to be honest its just "Meh~ish" The first few episodes (That Dragonball Hunt into Space) was cringe worthy. I almost gave up but but I kept plowing through hoping it will get better.

Good news, I don't have to call everyone who liked the series pilocks anymore (I used but not out loud) bad news, It's still not good enough to keep me entertained. To my surprise I really liked it when the story was goofy.

My biggest issue with GT isn't the story or the plot holes (which sometimes I don't even notice) it's the characters.

Goku being a kid again was really really dumb. There was really no need for that to happen. I understand they (the writers or Toriyama) were trying to "depower" him or rekindle some lost Dragonball adventure spirt some shit, but it just didn't fly.

Pan, Oh Pan, Pan, Pan. What did they do to you? The tomboyish attitude could've worked really well. I could almost visual it in my mind. But for some reason, they made the most annoying DB character I ever watched. Man, I pity her now and she's not even real.

Trunks....Take off the scarf, seriously dude it's makes you like a total pus. Oh wait. (see what I did there?)

Goten....You nobody, literally. Could they at least give you a personality?! Anyone, I don't care. Just give me some sign that your not walking shell filled with boring.

Bra = Jailbait. Seriously how old is this kid? Why dose Bulma allow her to dress like that in public?

Hey remember Marron, 18, Videl, whatsherface, whatchamacallit, thatguy, somedude, thatchick, and whatshisname?

Vegeta....I really liked him in GT. He's one of my favorite characters now, and I use to really hate this guy!

EDIT:

Bussani wrote:GT: Good ideas, poor execution. I think that about sums it up.

Shoot, I should have just quoted your from the start and be done with with it.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:42 pm

GT gets a lot more flak than it actually deserves. It's actually a good series if you don't think too much about it.

The things I loved about it:

-Kid Goku: Young Goku is easily my favorite character in all 3 series. The carefree attitude is great. It's even better in GT, because he's got all the power of adult Goku, but in a small, easy to carry package. Besides, who doesn't love a mini-SSJ3? (Besides Gotenks...he's a cocky douche.)

-Comedy: The move back to more comedy was really a refresher. It was also a very even mix with the action. There were even times when I would laugh out loud. And I don't usually do that with anime.

-Art/Animation: It is a lot better in GT than the previous two, but I guess that is to be expected. The colors seemed right, and I don't mind the little "shine" they give to the skin.

-The Ending: I found this ending the best of the 3 series. It seemed like a lot better of a sendoff for Goku than "Hey, I want to train this little indian kid, see you guys...whenever!" I actually found myself tearing up the first time I saw it.

-The Music: Easily the best of the 3 series to me. DAN DAN is the reason I got into the original Japanese Dragonball...and it was my first exposure to Japanese music. Now I'm proud fan of artists such as UVERworld, Flow, Utada Hikaru, and JiLL-Decoy Association.(Great bands, btw. I'd check em' out

)

However, there were things I didn't like. Too much focus on Goku, it seemed to drag on at some points, and the Furiza/Cell fight in Hell. They took something that could have been so epic and just raped it. Man, that would have been a great fight...

All in all, it had great ideas, poor execution.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:53 pm

Big Momma wrote:The Ending: I found this ending the best of the 3 series. It seemed like a lot better of a sendoff for Goku than "Hey, I want to train this little indian kid, see you guys...whenever!" I actually found myself tearing up the first time I saw it.

I think Goku's ending leaving with Uub was very fitting for his character, but yeah, it was better in the manga because of Toriyama's farewell speech.

But yes, GT's ending makes me tear up every time.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:06 pm

Overall, no, I don't. There's just too many episodes I don't like, and the inconsistencies drive me nuts. I don't hate it with as much passion as others, I just feel it's like one big filler arc, and I don't like most filler.

I did love Pan, the expanded Hell, and the concept of the Evil Dragons and SSJ4, but it's not enough for me to say I like it.

I did, however, love the GT special.

Mr. Announcer · Post by **Mr. Announcer** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:18 pm

Dayspring wrote:I did, however, love the GT special.

Totally! I completely forgot about it. How did they manage to make that enjoyable for me while the rest of GT was...

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:22 pm

Mr. Announcer wrote:
Dayspring wrote:I did, however, love the GT special.
Totally! I completely forgot about it. How did they manage to make that enjoyable for me while the rest of GT was...

Probably because it felt very much like Dragon Ball and was separated from the other series' enough to not cause any plot holes. Plus there was no overpowered characters what-so-ever -- even Goku Jr at SSJ didn't change that.

jda95 · Post by **jda95** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:22 am

Dayspring wrote:I did love Pan

You must be the only person who doesn't realllly like Gt to like Pan.

darkhawk5 · Post by **darkhawk5** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:00 am

Big Momma wrote:-Art/Animation: It is a lot better in GT than the previous two, but I guess that is to be expected. The colors seemed right, and I don't mind the little "shine" they give to the skin.

Are you serious?

The Animation looks like crap in almost every episode...do you honestly find it better than DB and DBZ !?

jda95 · Post by **jda95** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:04 am

darkhawk5 wrote:
Big Momma wrote:-Art/Animation: It is a lot better in GT than the previous two, but I guess that is to be expected. The colors seemed right, and I don't mind the little "shine" they give to the skin.
Are you serious?

The Animation looks like crap in almost every episode...do you honestly find it better than DB and DBZ !?

Are you serious?

The Animation is beautiful...... artistic changes aside, how can you not see the animation differences?

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:09 am

GT as a whole is animated to a higher standard than DB/Z, where you'll rarely get two well animated episodes in a row, whereas in GT there are sometimes 3 or 4 quite well animated episodes one after another before it hits the "pale cartoony type"

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:14 am

GT's animation style is good. It's just quite a grainy looking show for some reason.

It comes from that mid 90s age where shows ended up looking more dated than they should. I'm really not sure why.

The 10th anniversery special they did in GT style animation shows how good it can be.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:21 am

I like GT. I like it as its own series, I like it as a continuation to the "anime universe" (which I feel the Goku/Uub ending in DBZ didn't give quite a full enough ending, if that makes any sense), and I like it for other reasons too. Hell, like Bussani, I also like its animation style quite a bit! There are moments of it I do dislike, maybe even hate, to the degree that the series is sometimes like a guilty pleasure for me.

But this thread isn't about what makes me upset about it, so with that in mind, I'll get on topic. Some of the things I like the series for include its consistent trait of bringing back "enemies/consequences of the past" in some form or another (a trait I love the Android/Cell arc for in DBZ), some of the further-reaching notions like traveling the universe & discovering new dimensions (the Sugoroku plane was a very fun moment in the show for me), and a good portion of the battles from Rilldo to Super Yi Xing Long (some bummers like SSJ4 Goku & Oozaru-Bebi's 'last round' or Goku Vs. Freeza & Cell notwithstanding). I should also mention that I enjoy the aspects of Super Saiyan 4, even if I think it was misused too much like Kaboom, I do like it quite a bit.

Overall though with GT, it's really something I gotta classify in "Sections" for what I like, as opposed to original DB and DBZ, where I pretty much like the entireties of those anime. It basically goes like this:

Episodes 1-8: The genesis for the Black-Star Dragonballs hunting, I really enjoyed the initial stuff on Earth. The plot twist with the Black-Star balls have kept me intrigued to watch more, plus the first adventures on planets like Imecka, the Giant's serene planet, and Galbo (I think that's what it's called?) are surprisingly entertaining and dang fun for me. Also didn't mind Goku becoming a kid, the fact that Pilaf and a third/new dragon were involved made it all the more interesting.

(It's really once the space chase begins into that sub-arc with Luudo that things get meh-ish for me, honestly boring even, all the way up to the point where I wanna sleep with Goku and Trunks in that ep where they literally snooze all episode [ep 17])

The Rilldo episodes: Once Goku and Trunks aren't napping with Pan in her own mini-spinoff, the stuff on M2 got entertaining. I'd say the Goku/Rilldo battle ranks as one of my favorites in the first half of the series, one reason being this is a battle Goku doesn't technically win; well, yes Goku does eventually kill him with help from Trunks and Pan, but Rilldo actually wins for all intents and purposes. Then again, the kinds of battles where Goku loses are always good IMO, so that adds some merit to this for me.

The Bebi saga: My second favorite "Saga" in the series, Bebi's arc has few flaws from my point of view, the only thing that could've helped it being more screen-time for Uub and a better less-easy conclusion in SSJ4 Goku & Oozaru-Bebi's battle once the former has all his energy restored (let's face it, it's downright pure ki-spammage...). But overall, even the slow point of the saga when Goku seems to be dead is saved by his adventure in the Sugoroku dimension for me. Concepts like Gohan and Goten being forced to fight each other, Vegeta being the Saiyan Bebi chooses to "permanently" posses, Uub taking Goku's place, and the return of the Oozaru in "Golden" forms all kept me quite entertained.

Super 17 saga: A bizarre weakening of Uub and the Goku/Freeza-&-Cell fight notwithstanding, with obvious "plot holes" aside, I came to enjoy this. Even if a rehashed idea from movie 12, I definitely enjoyed seeing the returned villains and the aspect that the Red Ribbon Army hasn't stopped haunting Goku after all these years. I think Xyex once pointed this out, the Goku/Super 17 battle is also quite incredible, given the two showcase a display that other battles in GT really should've had with how powerful the characters are; battles that go across islands and entire continents. Even if some things in the primary battle could've been handled better (Uub's power/endurance, Goku's "miraculous" energy recovery at the end), the Goku/Super 17 battle ranks as probably my second favorite in the series.

(Like the Luudo and initial Sigma areas of early GT, the first several episodes of the Dark Dragons arc really put a damper on how awesome this type of arc could've overall been; some laughs from the wind/water dragon battle aside, just not very entertaining at all)

Shadow Dragons saga -- eps 48 & 54-63:
With the last three dragons, things finally get interesting as seemingly promised by the first episode in this final saga. Suu Xing Long really blew me away as a character, not since Ledgic had I enjoyed such a morally ambiguous opponent of Goku's. Their fight ranks as a favorite of mine, even if a clear winner hadn't been outed due to San's interference, I find the point for it was how intense it was both physically and ki-wise. Then the battles with San and Yi Xing Long, needless to say, there was finally a battle in GT where I wouldn't have had anything done differently. But hey, that's just me. Goku's battle with Yi Xing Long in both normal and Super forms, SSJ4 Vegeta, the 13 minutes of Gogeta, etc., up to the final Genki-dama all blew me away.

Episode 64 & the Goku Jr. special:
Safe to say, these ending aspects to both GT and the anime trilogy have proven on more occasions than I'd bother admitting to make me weep and smile so fanboyishly for in appreciation. I love both the single future-set special and final episode, especially the latter, giving something that I'd wanted out of DBZ; a truly concrete ending. Maybe some of yas don't want or like that in GT, but again, this is just me. It's an element I enjoy out of other series finales like Charmed, putting a perfect tie on everything past, present, and future in the show. From Goku's ambiguous exchange with Shenlong to seeing his friends for the last time, to the journeys in the distant future of peace in both of these presentations, I honestly can't prefer any other "ending" in all of DragonBall over what GT gives as Son Goku/Kakarrot makes that final walk.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:32 am

Conan the SSJ wrote:*Big post*

You're making me want the GT sets more now!

The only part I really disagree with is the Super 17 saga, which I really didn't like. It took Goku about 2 episodes to realize "IF I KEEP THROWING KI AT HIM HE JUST KEEPS ABSORBING IT AND GETTING STRONGER. DUUHHHHB"

...Ahem, yeah. I might be exaggerating, but it seemed out of character for Goku to be so dumb in a fight.

I haven't seen it for years though. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:48 am

Bussani wrote:
Conan the SSJ wrote:*Big post*
You're making me want the GT sets more now!

Neat, which sets?

I got GT Season 1 and now must brace myself to get Season 2 next month.

Post by **Herms** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:12 am

Conan the SSJ wrote: and Galbo (I think that's what it's called?)

It's Calvo, from "volcano". Galbo may be the dub name though.

B · Post by B » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:25 am

darkhawk5 wrote:
Big Momma wrote:-Art/Animation: It is a lot better in GT than the previous two, but I guess that is to be expected. The colors seemed right, and I don't mind the little "shine" they give to the skin.
Are you serious?

The Animation looks like crap in almost every episode...do you honestly find it better than DB and DBZ !?

The aniamtion is of a much higher quality, and it's kind of hard to see it when applied to generally mediocre show. But if you take a look at scenes that were reanimated(the only one that comes to mind is the last episode, where it flashes back to Goku meetin Goten for the first time, completely reanimated to match GT, it wasn't the same clip from Z), you'll see they were quite nice.

If there's anything wrong with it, it's that everyone is "smaller." it's most noticeable in Satan and Buu, but that might just be the animators.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:52 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:Neat, which sets?

I got GT Season 1 and now must brace myself to get Season 2 next month.

The GT bricks. I live in New Zealand, where season 1 isn't out yet and we're only up to season 6 of the Z bricks.

I could order them from the US, but I like my sets to match.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:58 pm

Because of GT, I had some fun times in Budokai 3 that never would've happened without it. That, and Toyble's DBAF is fun to read and it's based in a time that takes GT into account. So, I'm glad it exists. However, I was never really sucked into it like I was with Z.