Do you like GT?

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:02 pm

When it comes to Dragon Ball GT the only things I like are the opening and endings, the episode that Goku turns SSJ4 in, and the final episode. Everything else about GT is boring in my opinion. There aren't any memorable fights and the only cool moment I can think of is Gohan and Piccolo's final chat with each other. It's just a really boring show.

Hell, even the most boring parts of Dragon Ball and DBZ (22nd Budokai and Captain Ginyu switching bodies with Goku) are better than anything in GT.

Sabin Deus · Post by **Sabin Deus** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:22 am

I loved GT

Mystic · Post by **Mystic** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:00 pm

Firstly, I like Dragonball GT. As long as I look at it as more of a stand alone series, than a sequel to Dragonball Z.

GT had a lot of really good things going for it. GT has good good music, which everyone seems to like. GT had decent villains(Baby, Super 17, The Dragons) some were filled with Plot Holes, and what not. But if you take the series for what it was, it wasn't THAT bad. It could've been a lot worse than it was.

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:39 pm

the reason GT is bad was they cut it TERRIBLY short. Like I heard Super 17 was supposed to be way longer and Pan was supposed to go SS and such. I would have loved to see it go atleast twice as long.

RoarkVegeta · Post by **RoarkVegeta** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:39 pm

Near the end is the best part.

Sprite Satan · Post by **Sprite Satan** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:17 pm

LeprikanGT wrote:the reason GT is bad was they cut it TERRIBLY short. Like I heard Super 17 was supposed to be way longer and Pan was supposed to go SS and such. I would have loved to see it go atleast twice as long.

I'd say it was the other way around. It was canned because it was bad, and I say that as someone who enjoys most of it.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:22 pm

LeprikanGT wrote:the reason GT is bad was they cut it TERRIBLY short. Like I heard Super 17 was supposed to be way longer and Pan was supposed to go SS and such. I would have loved to see it go atleast twice as long.

Short is better than 20 episodes of fighting Freeza.

And we've already has Super Saiyajin all over the place. Pan being one wouldn't add much. I'd rather have seen her surprise everyone with something else, like inherited mystic upgrade powers.

Mystic · Post by **Mystic** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:53 pm

LeprikanGT wrote:the reason GT is bad was they cut it TERRIBLY short. Like I heard Super 17 was supposed to be way longer and Pan was supposed to go SS and such. I would have loved to see it go atleast twice as long.

It was cut short, but only because the ratings weren't up to par with Dragonball Z. I think 64 episodes was fine, if it had went longer, it may have gotten really bad, or even worse.

I wish the Super 17 Saga would've went longer myself, even though it was full of plot holes, it would've been nice to have atleast 10 episodes.

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:01 pm

I LOVED how long the frieza fight was [thats why frieza is the best villian...no debating, just my opinion]

I would be ok with how short GT is if they used the same animators. they are WAY below par from Z, character models and such.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:51 pm

GT? Short?

It's 64 episodes. That's not short. That's nearly half of Dragon Ball pre-Z.

A lot of series have 13 or 26 episodes. Those are short series.

A lot of anime series can prove that they are good within a 13 or 26-episode run. 60 episodes is not short. It's a nice, long run. If you need more than 64 episodes to be a good series, maybe you're taking too long to get to the good part.

Scratch that, you're DEFINITELY taking too long.

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:54 pm

Compared to Z, DB is really short, so id want another DB sized series, not a marginally smaller one; it seems like its not even worth the effort, just looking at the numbers. Id loved to have seen the fights more drug out [yeah i said longer fights, take that DBZ nay-sayers] b/c they went through what, 6 shadow dragons in like 8 episodes or soemthing like that? No sir. we deserve better fights.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:57 pm

26 is a pretty standard length for a TV anime. Sometimes 52 for things like Fullmetal Alchemist and Gundam.

Although admittedly, shounen shows are usually longer. They don't have to be though, Hunter x Hunter's TV series was only about as long as GT and it got a lot done in that time.

B · Post by B » Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:10 am

LeprikanGT wrote:Compared to Z, DB is really short, so id want another DB sized series, not a marginally smaller one; it seems like its not even worth the effort, just looking at the numbers. Id loved to have seen the fights more drug out [yeah i said longer fights, take that DBZ nay-sayers] b/c they went through what, 6 shadow dragons in like 8 episodes or soemthing like that? No sir. we deserve better fights.

A good fight has decent action and movements and last long enough to not get boring.

Fights shouldn't be dragged out, I don't care what you think. Z crossed this line multiple times and when a fight didn't go on too long, it pushed it.

Sprite Satan · Post by **Sprite Satan** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:14 am

It seems pretty clear to me that the Super 17 arc was ended after, like, seven episodes because someone came in from Toei and said "All right, wrap this things up, you've got X amount of episodes to do it before it's off the air".

Idle speculation but does anyone know anything about the production of GT?

B · Post by B » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:19 am

Perhaps GT would have been better if it was actually handled by the same team. Daisuke Nishio, the series director of DB and Z, had no part in it, IIRC.

Post by **Herms** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:44 am

Sprite Satan wrote:It seems pretty clear to me that the Super 17 arc was ended after, like, seven episodes because someone came in from Toei and said "All right, wrap this things up, you've got X amount of episodes to do it before it's off the air".

I doubt it, or at least I doubt that's why the Super No.17 stuff was the length it was. The ending of episode 41, the end of the Baby/black-star dragonballs stuff hints at the Evil Dragon storyline, saying that something has gone wrong with the dragonballs but nobody has noticed yet, and there are more hints throughout all of the Super No.17 stuff. So I think Super No.17 was always intended as a short intermediate story arc to bridge the Baby storyline to the Evil Dragons storyline.

B wrote:Perhaps GT would have been better if it was actually handled by the same team. Daisuke Nishio, the series director of DB and Z, had no part in it, IIRC.

And also Takao Koyama, the guy in charge of series composition for Z, was replaced with Aya Matsui, one of the scenario writes. Aya Matsui is the one who did scenario writing for the Anoyo-Ichi Budoukai arc.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:59 am

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:GT? Short?

It's 64 episodes. That's not short. That's nearly half of Dragon Ball pre-Z.

A lot of series have 13 or 26 episodes. Those are short series.

A lot of anime series can prove that they are good within a 13 or 26-episode run. 60 episodes is not short. It's a nice, long run. If you need more than 64 episodes to be a good series, maybe you're taking too long to get to the good part.

Scratch that, you're DEFINITELY taking too long.

Yeah, but 64 episodes is pretty short when you're trying to squeeze in 4 whole saga's.

Sprite Satan · Post by **Sprite Satan** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:03 am

Herms wrote:I doubt it, or at least I doubt that's why the Super No.17 stuff was the length it was. The ending of episode 41, the end of the Baby/black-star dragonballs stuff hints at the Evil Dragon storyline, saying that something has gone wrong with the dragonballs but nobody has noticed yet, and there are more hints throughout all of the Super No.17 stuff. So I think Super No.17 was always intended as a short intermediate story arc to bridge the Baby storyline to the Evil Dragons storyline.

Seems like I was giving more credit than was due then. I guess the question is "When did the makers of GT know it was being cut after 'only' 64 episodes"? I certainly have no trouble believing that if Toei could have dragged it for another profitable 291 episode run they would have.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:30 am

Kid Trunks wrote:
Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:GT? Short?

It's 64 episodes. That's not short. That's nearly half of Dragon Ball pre-Z.

A lot of series have 13 or 26 episodes. Those are short series.

A lot of anime series can prove that they are good within a 13 or 26-episode run. 60 episodes is not short. It's a nice, long run. If you need more than 64 episodes to be a good series, maybe you're taking too long to get to the good part.

Scratch that, you're DEFINITELY taking too long.
Yeah, but 64 episodes is pretty short when you're trying to squeeze in 4 whole saga's.

What in the world is a "saga" in actual terms that mean anything?

Let's see:

The length of a short series(13 episodes) times 4 is 52. So they had enough time for four short series, without having to give up more exposition at the start. Hell, they didn't even need that much exposition on episode 1, we more or less knew everybody.

They had 16 episodes for each arc if you divide it evenly.

Emperor Pilaf: 13 episodes.

Muten's training and the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai: 14 episodes.

Each of the Red Ribbon-themed villains took less than 16 episodes.

The whole Baba ordeal took 15 episodes.

And the whole 22nd Budokai with Tenshinhan took barely over 16 episodes.

Stuff can be done without it taking 30 episodes per conflict.

Kanzenshuu

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