If they reanimate the openings/endings, they better do a better job than they did with the new special's opening. The updated scenes were awesome, but the animation in them was stiff as hell.Tweaker wrote:The opening in the newest special was amazing enough--imagine the originals redone in that style? I'm all giddy just thinking about it!
You know, I think they actually mean we'll get entirely new openings and endings, i.e. different songs.MagicBox wrote:If they reanimate the openings/endings, they better do a better job than they did with the new special's opening. The updated scenes were awesome, but the animation in them was stiff as hell.Tweaker wrote:The opening in the newest special was amazing enough--imagine the originals redone in that style? I'm all giddy just thinking about it!
If Toei actually does a good job and the new versions match the fluidity of the original versions, though, then bring it on.
abridged is a disgrase to the entire dubbed dragonball franchise... enough said.NeptuneKai wrote:I find it just awesome and funny how some dub fans are getting defensive over preserving their version of the show without any "stupid" changes or cuts. We may be starting this whole "dub vs. sub" debate back into full force only this time with "original vs. abridged".
Anyhow I'm still super psyched about this project and it's fast approaching! I'm actually more excited to see the dub. Cell games onward shows Funi can follow a Japanese script. All the VA's are at the top of their game too. If the orange bricks are any indication they may just leave the music alone as well. This just might be the ultimate dub some of us were waiting for.
A person with a bucket full of bootlegs doesn't have too much room to talk about disgracing the franchise.PrincessVegeta wrote:abridged is a disgrase to the entire dubbed dragonball franchise... enough said.NeptuneKai wrote:I find it just awesome and funny how some dub fans are getting defensive over preserving their version of the show without any "stupid" changes or cuts. We may be starting this whole "dub vs. sub" debate back into full force only this time with "original vs. abridged".
Anyhow I'm still super psyched about this project and it's fast approaching! I'm actually more excited to see the dub. Cell games onward shows Funi can follow a Japanese script. All the VA's are at the top of their game too. If the orange bricks are any indication they may just leave the music alone as well. This just might be the ultimate dub some of us were waiting for.
Oh jeez, I hope not. The original openings were awesome as-is; to arbitrarily change that might upset more than just a few people.Olivier Hague wrote:You know, I think they actually mean we'll get entirely new openings and endings, i.e. different songs.
I may be wrong about this, but...
How a person has obtained any piece of merchandise has absolutely nothing to do with their ability to judge it, nor does it have anything to do with their ability to represent a group of people with similar views. Granted, generalizing the alleged ideals of a group of people is discouraged in and of itself, but she is fully qualified to talk about what she has seen even if it is pirated--it invalidates absolutely nothing.NeptuneKai wrote:A person with a bucket full of bootlegs doesn't have too much room to talk about disgracing the fanbase.
I read it more as in we'll get the same songs, but they'll reanimate the opening and ending because it says that the opening and ending will be "redone." So, I'm thinking it'll be something like the special's opening.Olivier Hague wrote:You know, I think they actually mean we'll get entirely new openings and endings, i.e. different songs.MagicBox wrote:If they reanimate the openings/endings, they better do a better job than they did with the new special's opening. The updated scenes were awesome, but the animation in them was stiff as hell.Tweaker wrote:The opening in the newest special was amazing enough--imagine the originals redone in that style? I'm all giddy just thinking about it!
If Toei actually does a good job and the new versions match the fluidity of the original versions, though, then bring it on.
I may be wrong about this, but...
"You changed it, now it sucks."Tweaker wrote:Oh jeez, I hope not. The original openings were awesome as-is; to arbitrarily change that might upset more than just a few people.
You obviously don't care about the franchise if you don't pay for any material you watch. You aren't giving money to TOEI or Funi you're stealing the show. Said person doesn't have any right to talk about "disgracing the franchise." when they themselves are doing the exact same thing in a different fashion.
How a person has obtained any piece of merchandise has absolutely nothing to do with their ability to judge it, nor does it have anything to do with their ability to represent a group of people with similar views. Granted, generalizing the alleged ideals of a group of people is discouraged in and of itself, but she is fully qualified to talk about what she has seen even if it is pirated--it invalidates absolutely nothing.
I can already guess "Redundantly Redundant. Why read stills from the Anime, when you have the Manga?".sangofe wrote:Wonder if they'll do animanga of this version, and what Julian's comments would be xD.
But it's not the same exact thing. You're assuming that every single person who is a part of the Dragon Ball fanbase is strictly adverse to piracy and does not condone or practice it. In doing so, you commit the same kind of hypocritical or otherwise presumptuous view that PrincessVegeta did by assuming a certain action was a "disgrace towards the fanbase." Basically, everyone is just throwing around general statements; unfortunately, none of them particular hold water.NeptuneKai wrote:You obviously don't care about the franchise if you don't pay for any material you watch. You aren't giving money to TOEI or Funi you're stealing the show. Said person doesn't have any right to talk about "disgracing the franchise." when they themselves are doing the exact same thing in a different fashion.
And this is the sound of my brain shrinking.(and that's a man)
You take forever to say nothing.Tweaker wrote:But it's not the same exact thing. You're assuming that every single person who is a part of the Dragon Ball fanbase is strictly adverse to piracy and does not condone or practice it. In doing so, you commit the same kind of hypocritical or otherwise presumptuous view that PrincessVegeta did by assuming a certain action was a "disgrace towards the fanbase." Basically, everyone is just throwing around general statements; unfortunately, none of them particular hold water.NeptuneKai wrote:You obviously don't care about the franchise if you don't pay for any material you watch. You aren't giving money to TOEI or Funi you're stealing the show. Said person doesn't have any right to talk about "disgracing the franchise." when they themselves are doing the exact same thing in a different fashion.
More or less I'm saying that you can't really speak for a majority here no matter what you're trying to say. At the same time, PrincessVegeta is entitled to his opinion regardless of the means he used to view the show; he still viewed it, and he still is aware of the content present in it, so he can make a judgement in that regard.
Anyway, let's not veer too far off topic here. I just felt like challenging that statement.
And this is the sound of my brain shrinking.(and that's a man)
Tweaker wrote:[
But it's not the same exact thing. You're assuming that every single person who is a part of the Dragon Ball fanbase is strictly adverse to piracy and does not condone or practice it. In doing so, you commit the same kind of hypocritical or otherwise presumptuous view that PrincessVegeta did by assuming a certain action was a "disgrace towards the fanbase." Basically, everyone is just throwing around general statements; unfortunately, none of them particular hold water.
More or less I'm saying that you can't really speak for a majority here no matter what you're trying to say. At the same time, PrincessVegeta is entitled to his opinion regardless of the means he used to view the show; he still viewed it, and he still is aware of the content present in it, so he can make a judgement in that regard.
Wow, was this really necessary? Trying thinking objectively once in a while--it really opens your mind up to fairer concepts.Bussani wrote:You take forever to say nothing.
But it is just their opinion! You just don't agree with it, which is why you're so adverse to it.NeptuneKai wrote:I don't think he's entitled to his opinion when it contains blatant hypocrisy.
That's like me going "OH MAN I HATE KILLING JEWS, well I'm off to join the Nazi's." If someone tells me that's a stupid sentiment I can't just shrug and go "WELL THATS JUST UR OPINION MAN!"
Sorry, that probably was rude of me. I'm recovering from surgery and I can be a bit snappy.Tweaker wrote:Wow, was this really necessary? Trying thinking objectively once in a while--it really opens your mind up to fairer concepts.Bussani wrote:You take forever to say nothing.
I'm not trying to turn this thread into a flamewar. Can we please move on with actual discussion of the subject at hand here? I shouldn't be the subject of ridicule for being devil's advocate once in a while.
Which is why you have to pick the smart opinion to side with.Tweaker wrote: But it is just their opinion! You just don't agree with it, which is why you're so adverse to it.
"Right" and "wrong" are subjectively defined, so it's kind of messed up to try and say that someone's opinion is "wrong" and that they're not allowed to have it. I'm not going to delve into further examples, but for example I could be a wild supporter of piracy and claim that your statement is "wrong" because I and a bunch of friends pirate stuff all the time and you're wrong for not pirating.
This is why opinions are separate from facts--one is a belief and one is absolutely and cannot be disputed. I understand disagreeing with her opinion, but that doesn't mean he's not entitled to it. That's the core point I'm trying to make here.
