Does Goku sound exactly the same as both an adult...

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:16 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Some can call it closed-minded but where I come from men sound like men and women sound like women. The cartoons, television shows and movies I grew up on the heroes sounded like males. I can picture John Wayne walking into a saloon full of cutthroats and telling them to “clear out” yet his voice was that of Joanne Dru. I can just imagine watching Thundercats and Lion-O is leading them in battle with Cheetara or Pumyra’s voice. I am sorry but that would not work.

I agree Chris Sabat should voice Goku too.

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:18 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Some can call it closed-minded but where I come from men sound like men and women sound like women. The cartoons, television shows and movies I grew up on the heroes sounded like males. I can picture John Wayne walking into a saloon full of cutthroats and telling them to “clear out” yet his voice was that of Joanne Dru. I can just imagine watching Thundercats and Lion-O is leading them in battle with Cheetara or Pumyra’s voice. I am sorry but that would not work.

But most of those people started out as men characters and not boys that became men. All that Toei was doing was just continuing with what they had.

My argument is that if Goku was an adult throughout then he more than likely would have had a male seiyuu.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:20 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Some can call it closed-minded but where I come from men sound like men and women sound like women.

Sounds boring.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:20 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:I agree Chris Sabat should voice Goku too.

With his Alex Louis Armstrong voice.

Sprite Satan · Post by **Sprite Satan** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:21 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:I agree Chris Sabat should voice Goku too.

Redundant point, as it's painfully clear Chris Sabat should voice everyone in the entire series. I don't want Son John Wayne-ku sounding like some four year old girl on helium after getting kicked in the inexplicably-there goolies.

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:21 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Some can call it closed-minded but where I come from men sound like men and women sound like women.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:22 pm

Vekurotto wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:Some can call it closed-minded but where I come from men sound like men and women sound like women. The cartoons, television shows and movies I grew up on the heroes sounded like males. I can picture John Wayne walking into a saloon full of cutthroats and telling them to “clear out” yet his voice was that of Joanne Dru. I can just imagine watching Thundercats and Lion-O is leading them in battle with Cheetara or Pumyra’s voice. I am sorry but that would not work.
But most of those people started out as men characters and not boys that became men. All that Toei was doing was just continuing with what they had.

My argument is that if Goku was an adult throughout then he more than likely would have had a male seiyuu.

Not necessarily. Look at Kenshin.

jda95 · Post by **jda95** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:22 pm

Taku128 wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:Some can call it closed-minded but where I come from men sound like men and women sound like women.
*SCHLOOP*

Topic winner.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:23 pm

Taku128 wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:Some can call it closed-minded but where I come from men sound like men and women sound like women.

Freeza has no genitals.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:23 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Some can call it closed-minded but where I come from men sound like men and women sound like women.

Well excuuuuuuse some of us for not sounding like what you want us to, buddy.

Speaking of Chris Sabat voicing everybody, you could easily give him a woman's role and he'd be great. Like so...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTznpMsFKOo

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:24 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Taku128 wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:Some can call it closed-minded but where I come from men sound like men and women sound like women.
Freeza has no genitals.

He had Dragon Balls for a while. They gave him something that resembled joy.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:25 pm

Bussani wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
Taku128 wrote:
Freeza has no genitals.
He had Dragon Balls for a while. They gave him something that resembled joy.

Maybe he caressed them too hard I think.

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:26 pm

Bussani wrote:
Vekurotto wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:Some can call it closed-minded but where I come from men sound like men and women sound like women. The cartoons, television shows and movies I grew up on the heroes sounded like males. I can picture John Wayne walking into a saloon full of cutthroats and telling them to “clear out” yet his voice was that of Joanne Dru. I can just imagine watching Thundercats and Lion-O is leading them in battle with Cheetara or Pumyra’s voice. I am sorry but that would not work.
But most of those people started out as men characters and not boys that became men. All that Toei was doing was just continuing with what they had.

My argument is that if Goku was an adult throughout then he more than likely would have had a male seiyuu.
Not necessarily. Look at Kenshin.

But Kenshin sounds way more manly than Nozawa's Goku. And unfortunately Kenshin's Japanese voice fits him, (that does not mean that Nozawa doesn't fit Goku), because of his looks.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:30 pm

Let's not crack with the jokes

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Saiyan-Professor, I think you have fair enough points with your background and what you expect of characters. I think it falls apart when you compare the characters you've mentioned to Goku, though. Regardless of him being a Japanese creation, if you just look at him as a character compared to Lion-O and John Wayne's various characters, there's... well... absolutely no comparison.

Briefly skimming over some things I've missed, but I will give credit where it's due to Schemmel adapting his voice for the SSJ3 and SSJ4 forms. Let's not forget, though, that despite how obvious it probably was to do that... Masako Nozawa did the same thing a decade earlier.

That's part of why I think Tsukento is on to something cool with a direct, sequential comparison of Nozawa's performances (both as Goku and others). It will be a great way to just point and show what we mean. I fully believe that it doesn't take an understanding of the language to just hear the tones and delivery that we're talking about when we describe those performances.

Post by **Herms** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:35 pm

Freeza might not have any visible genitals in his final form, but he does wear that little black bit of underwear in his 1st-3rd forms, so maybe he's got something under there? Granted, the final form is supposed to be his true form.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:33 pm

As I said earlier it is not the fact that a woman voiced him it is that it appeared as if she did not even sound masculine. I am speaking from what I am used to and my personal preference. I watch Naruto (which I am doing right now), and he sounds like a young boy and in Shippuden he sounds like a teenage male. Concerning the Freeza image, I always thought of him as a Dr. Frank N. Furter from the Rocky Horror Picture Show type of character to begin with so it does not bother me that he sounds like a woman. Before the jokes start I watched it initially with a girl I was interested in once and for some strange reason I watch it annually even though the girl been gone.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:45 pm

Herms wrote:Freeza might not have any visible genitals in his final form, but he does wear that little black bit of underwear in his 1st-3rd forms, so maybe he's got something under there? Granted, the final form is supposed to be his true form.

Well if their physiology is similar to reptiles, then they wouldn't have visible genitals. So that could be one viable explanation.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:45 pm

Okay, I'll use a real life example.

Mike Tyson

I do believe I don't have to say much more.

Satan-Sama · Post by **Satan-Sama** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:56 pm

Tsukento wrote:Okay, I'll use a real life example.

Mike Tyson

I do believe I don't have to say much more.

Mike Tyson ain't no hero.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:56 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:As I said earlier it is not the fact that a woman voiced him it is that it appeared as if she did not even sound masculine. I am speaking from what I am used to and my personal preference. I watch Naruto (which I am doing right now), and he sounds like a young boy and in Shippuden he sounds like a teenage male. Concerning the Freeza image, I always thought of him as a Dr. Frank N. Furter from the Rocky Horror Picture Show type of character to begin with so it does not bother me that he sounds like a woman. Before the jokes start I watched it initially with a girl I was interested in once and for some strange reason I watch it annually even though the girl been gone.

As we said, they probably never intended for Goku to sound masculine. I don't think it's important to his character. I don't know why, but his Japanese voice seems to suit him to me.