Dragon Ball Z Being Re-edited and Re-dubbed for HDTV

Discussion specifically regarding the "refreshed" TV version of DBZ created in Japan for its 20th anniversary, including individual threads for each episode.
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Post by Hujio » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:07 am

Taku128 wrote:Looks like the screenshots in the scan are cropped like the Season Sets are... god damn it Toei. :(
Chrono Trigger wrote:It's all good though. TOEI did it so its totally "A" OK. :D
Casual Matt wrote:I hope there are more independently thinking individuals here than people who will mindlessly suck Toei's big corporate willy and then turn around and give FUNi flack for doing essentially the exact same thing.
JAPPO wrote:So they're basically just doing what FUNimation did and shortening the episode length.

Amazing.
So, we're not going to wait until they release official screen shots before we start bashing Toei? I understand where you're coming from, because I'll be just as upset if it turns out Toei cropped the image, but seriously... this was an orange-scale printing in a magazine. I'm personally not going to make conclusions from this photo. Hell, we don't even have any proof that they're really cutting the series down to 100 episodes.

I'll even cite an example of why I won't make any conclusions from the magazine's screen shots. This is an image Toei themselves used as an advertisement of the "DragonBox The Movies," which was going to be 16:9. Interesting how the images they used are all 4:3, huh? Here's what I originally posted about it back in 2005.
Originally posted on [url=http://www.kanzentai.com/news/comments.php?id=18]Kanzentai[/url] (December 1st, 2005) wrote:Now on to the Movie DragonBox itself. There have recently been a lot of Toei sites that have been updating information and images. Now this doesn't really pertain to anything concerning the ordering of the DragonBox, but I find the following image (click to view) interesting. Albeit a great image, it dispalys some screen shots taken from various DragonBall movies. If you'll notice, all the images are in a 4:3 format, where as the DragonBox is being released in a 16:9 format. Isn't that interesting? So, just to make it clear, I've posted a comparison picture of the Gogeta (DBZ Movie 12) from the advertisement (on the right) with that of the same image taken from a fansub (on the left). Oh Toei, how you confuse us!!

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A little over three years later and they're still confusing us. It's just in their nature. So please, don't take too much from this photo. We really won't know if there's going to be a cropping issue until April 5th. Then you can bash Toei...

And I don't want to be the one to say this, because I know some people are going to jump all over me, but what Toei is doing now and what FUNimation did are totally different. Toei released the entire series on DVD as it originally aired on TV, or "the way it was meant to be seen." Now, they're going back and remastering it again, but this time for an HD presentation, with either cropping or extended backgrounds, we're not sure yet. So, if you don't want the "possibly" cropped version, you can still buy the entire series in a 4:3 aspect ratio as it originally aired on TV. No one gets hurt. With FUNimation, you don't have that option. That's the difference.

Now, I'm not justifying Toei cropping anything, I'm just saying, they at least give you an alternative to the widescreen and they never pimped it as "they way it was meant to be seen." They've also clearly stated that this is a revision or re-editing of the original series, so I don't feel like I've been lied to. Besides, they're the original creators, so they can really do whatever they want with it. All I care is that the original version is readily available, and Toei's done that.
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Post by MajinVejitaXV » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:09 am

Hujio wrote:All I care is that the original version is readily available, and Toei's done that.
And unless Toei decides to make the DragonBox singles OOP, this is the main and most important difference between their handling and FUNimation's.

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Post by JAPPO » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:10 am

The fact I can't post anything negative without a "BUT YOU LIEK the MOVIE?" type post is complete rubbish. Why don't you chill out, I'm allowed to have an opinion.
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Post by MajinVejitaXV » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:14 am

JAPPO wrote:The fact I can't post anything negative without a "BUT YOU LIEK the MOVIE?" type post is complete rubbish. Why don't you chill out, I'm allowed to have an opinion.
They're arguably the two biggest projects that are DragonBall related at the moment, and you appear to have majorly conflicting views on them. One can't judge the movie negatively without seeing it (but having seen footage, dialogue, images, etc.) but they can judge this project of Toei's without seeing...well, anything practically except the name and vague details.

Jesus, when the hell did this happen? It seems like arguing against FUNimation or Fox makes you the devil here and defending Toei (even if there's no reason to bash them yet because nothing has been substantiated) makes you worse. Hell, even I gave FUNi the benefit of the doubt until I had Season One in my hands O_o;;

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Post by Super Ghost Kamikaze » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:17 am

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
JAPPO wrote:The fact I can't post anything negative without a "BUT YOU LIEK the MOVIE?" type post is complete rubbish. Why don't you chill out, I'm allowed to have an opinion.
They're arguably the two biggest projects that are DragonBall related at the moment, and you appear to have majorly conflicting views on them. One can't judge the movie negatively without seeing it (but having seen footage, dialogue, images, etc.) but they can judge this project of Toei's without seeing...well, anything practically except the name and vague details.
The difference between the movie and this seems fairly obvious. If this is cropped, then that's a treatment of something we know. The movie is something new, and our issues with that seem to be CONTENT. We aren't saying that the CONTENT of the new series is bad because they cut it up, since we haven't seen that. We're saying that if it's cropped, that's just as bad as Funimation's orange boxes.

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Post by MajinVejitaXV » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:21 am

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:We're saying that if it's cropped, that's just as bad as Funimation's orange boxes.
Corey, on page 21, wrote: If Toei did a cheap crop job like FUNi, they'll get none of my business personally. It was dumb when FUNimation did it, and it'd be absolutely idiotic and unforgivable if Toei does it.

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Emphasis mine. You'll notice, earlier in this thread, I agreed completely. However, until I see something more substantial (especially, as Herms pointed out, because Toei's past advertisements haven't been true to the final product), I'm not ready to cut off Toei's balls. Jappo, on the other hand, appears to disagree and therein lies the conflict.

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Post by Hujio » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:25 am

MajinVejitaXV wrote:However, until I see something more substantial (especially, as Hujio pointed out, because Toei's past advertisements haven't been true to the final product), I'm not ready to cut off Toei's balls.
Hah. I'm flattered that we can easily be confused. :P You just made my day!
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Post by MajinVejitaXV » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:26 am

Hujio wrote:Hah. I'm flattered that we can easily be confused. :P You just made my day!
D'oh! This is what I get for typing on three hours of sleep after a full day of work ;p

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Post by Kaboom » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:26 am

I suppose we won't have any way to know for sure until we actually get to watch the thing on TV, or Toei flat-out says that it's going to be cropped.
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Post by MajinVejitaXV » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:28 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:I suppose we won't have any way to know for sure until we actually get to watch the thing on TV, or Toei flat-out says that it's going to be cropped.
Basically. And if they did just crop the show like FUNi did, then the bitching will commence with me I assure you ;)

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Post by JAPPO » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:28 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:I suppose we won't have any way to know for sure until we actually get to watch the thing on TV, or Toei flat-out says that it's going to be cropped.
"No one ever talks about it. They just do it."

Anyway I can wait for it... it's not long away.
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Post by Krakabeast » Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:37 am

So how will Americans have viewing access to Dragon Ball Kai?
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Post by MajinVejitaXV » Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:38 am

Krakabeast wrote:So how will Americans have viewing access to Dragon Ball Kai?
You can wait for the inevitable torrents that will be uploaded shortly after broadcast, or you can use certain programs to watch Japanese television as it airs. I don't know much about the latter admittedly.

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Post by Kingdom Heartless » Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:42 am

So is Dragon Ball Kai the official name for this now?
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Post by Yi Xing Long » Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:44 am

Kingdom Heartless wrote:So is Dragon Ball Kai the official name for this now?
Yes.

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Post by MajinVejitaXV » Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:44 am

Kingdom Heartless wrote:So is Dragon Ball Kai the official name for this now?
Assuming the scan is legit, then yes.

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Post by Chuquita » Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:45 am

Yay! So happy it has a name now. I can quit calling trying to go with roundabout ways of referring to it now.

DBK. Sounds good. :3
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Post by Hujio » Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:53 am

Chuquita wrote:Yay! So happy it has a name now. I can quit calling trying to go with roundabout ways of referring to it now.

DBK. Sounds good. :3
I totally agree. Now I won't have to keep typing "refreshed." That was just getting annoying.
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Post by Krakabeast » Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:57 am

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Krakabeast wrote:So how will Americans have viewing access to Dragon Ball Kai?
You can wait for the inevitable torrents that will be uploaded shortly after broadcast, or you can use certain programs to watch Japanese television as it airs. I don't know much about the latter admittedly.

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Yeah, that sucks. I guess I won't be truly excited until a subbed version is released. Japan might not be so generous as they were with the Jump Anime Tour. Naruto Shippuden is still getting here though along with other series, so maybe we will get access to DBK.

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Post by Kingdom Heartless » Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:05 am

Wow, it feels really surreal, doesn't it?

Having something called Dragon Ball Kai coming out. :shock:

Something with a new name that isn't a video game or fanfic.
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