Epsisode Condensing Speculation Thread

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:06 am

I'm honestly wondering where everyone gets the idea that Toei will be cutting out only stuff they made up and speeding pacing along by cutting away stuff like standing around.

It'd be funny if they cut away at "canonical" aspects while keeping driver's ed, garlic junior, and fake Namek.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:09 am

We're not certian of it either way. But if one is going down to the most basic plot, the cannon tends to have the more crucial elements than, say, Nappa's Big Day With the Navy.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:25 am

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:I'm honestly wondering where everyone gets the idea that Toei will be cutting out only stuff they made up and speeding pacing along by cutting away stuff like standing around.

It'd be funny if they cut away at "canonical" aspects while keeping driver's ed, garlic junior, and fake Namek.

It's all speculation. Otherwise there'd be nothing to say until it came out.

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:30 am

The board if we didn't have speculation:

User 1: Wow, I'm curious of what this will be!

User 2: Yeah, so am I!

User 3: I think I am even more curious.

And then arguments ensue over who is more curious.

Do you want that to happen, Ghost Kamikaze? Would that be a good alternative? Yeah.... I thought not.

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:53 am

I wonder if the ending's changed so that Goku doesn't fly off with Uub? Abandoning your family was considered somewhat more socially acceptable in 1995 than it is these days.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:12 am

Kingdom Heartless wrote:Do you want that to happen, Ghost Kamikaze? Would that be a good alternative? Yeah.... I thought not.

Haha. That's not what I was saying at all.

Rather, I'm saying there should be an alternative to the filler-less "Manga-perfect" assumptions.

I was just offering an alternate scenario, in which the manga's events are stripped down to the bare minimum, with most filler events remaining more or less intact.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:18 am

Yi Xing Long wrote:
Adamant wrote:Well.

Your average, well-paced anime adaption manages to fit about 40 pages (2 chapters) per episode if they don't insert any filler scenes.
Dragonball's chapters are about 14 pages each, so that's 42 pages to 3 chapters.
The story from Raditz' arrival to Goku and Uub's departure lasts 325 chapters, so with 3 chapters on average per episode, and more than that for those battle-heavy chapters with 2 panels of characters trading hits per page for half the chapter, "around 100 episodes" seems very realistic for a well-paced anime adaption with no filler.
The thing with a "no filler" adaption, though, is that you may as well be reading the manga (better artwork). Everyone has at least some filler that they enjoy (ie. the most prominent scene that comes to mind is when everyone decides to help out Gohan when he is in the midst of a beam struggle with Cell). Other examples of great filler from earlier in the series include: Gohan/Piccolo's training in the wilderness, Gohan's "misadventures," Kuririn and gang training with Popo, Goku falls down to Hell, etc.

You could always just, you know, watch the original anime for those things.

Krakabeast · Post by **Krakabeast** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:11 am

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:It'd be funny if they cut away at "canonical" aspects while keeping driver's ed, garlic junior, and fake Namek.

They better not take out the driver's ed filler!

They will though....ughh

SonEric84 · Post by **SonEric84** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:43 am

I think if they take out too much filler, I'll probably end up missing it.

sbk · Post by **sbk** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:28 pm

Were the episodes that focused on Gohan´s high school life filler?

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:33 pm

sbk wrote:Were the episodes that focused on Gohan´s high school life filler?

Not all of them. Some of it was canon, some other filler (not totally bad filler, just filler).

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:07 pm

SonEric84 wrote:I think if they take out too much filler, I'll probably end up missing it.

That is what these DVDs are for.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:17 pm

According to what was said in the other thread about DBKai, it's not going to be manga-perfect, anyway. There's going to be some Bardock stuff and some stuff from Dragonball with narration thrown into the first episode as a way of "catching up" to the point of Raditz's arrival.

I would expect that to cut out some of the Gohan filler from the first episode, if not all of it as Dragonball is a pretty long series to recap.

B · Post by B » Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:59 pm

Really, manga-perfection is not needed at all. A series that can tell it's story without greedy corporate whores shoving twenty minutes of standing around an episode is.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:06 pm

B wrote:Really, manga-perfection is not needed at all. A series that can tell it's story without greedy corporate whores shoving twenty minutes of standing around an episode is.

I never thought it had so much to do with greed as it did not catching up with the manga. The reason it wasn't manga-perfect in the first place was to keep it from catching up. So, to cut out what was put there to keep it from catching up, then you've got manga-perfect Dragonball Z!

EDIT: Minus things like the driving episode, which I think should be allowed to stay.

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:10 pm

Kendamu wrote:I would expect that to cut out some of the Gohan filler from the first episode, if not all of it as Dragonball is a pretty long series to recap.

If they cut out all the Gohan stuff, I'm dropping this series faster than you can say 'Dragon Ball Evolution.' The anime had a great introduction to Gohan's character. You really become attached to the little guy thanks to that first episode, and it does a great job in defining what life was like for Goku, Chichi, and Gohan during the years between Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. They can make the Gohan scenes shorter and less extensive, sure, but they cannot cut them out.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:22 pm

Don't get me wrong, I think some of the Anime-exclusive stuff should stay. The robot 'n dino stuff was great and maybe the Illusionary Saiyan stuff can be fit in somewhere. I could see the Saiyan arc (1-35, Z) being reduced to much less (dare I say akin to the Saban stuff?)

I think we could afford to lose the orphanage stuff, though.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:41 pm

Dr. Casey wrote:The anime had a great introduction to Gohan's character.

"WAAAHHH! DADDYYY!! WAAAHHH!"

Well...I guess you're right.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:45 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Dr. Casey wrote:The anime had a great introduction to Gohan's character.
"WAAAHHH! DADDYYY!! WAAAHHH!"

Well...I guess you're right.

Those are his lines for most of the early episodes. So breathtaking.

Khalid Shahin · Post by **Khalid Shahin** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:50 pm

Yi Xing Long wrote:
Khalid Shahin wrote:Without any filler an episode would equate to 10 chapters. And with the Toei's Dragon Ball Kai, I would estimate 3 to 4 chapters an episode.
Maybe with your warped and twisted sense of pacing it possibly would, but I know for sure that I would never want to watch some hack job like that. Pacing is very important and can make or break a scene, or even an entire film. As for Dragon Ball "Kai," there has been no confirmation on whether it will be abridged or not; that is merely a rumor.

I was only responding to your exaggeration of 20-21 chapters per episode. As seen below... The point of my post is that DBKai could have 100 episodes and be very well paced, more well paced than 291 episodes.

Yi Xing Long wrote: The average number of chapters covered in a single anime episode is 2 or 3. What you describe (assuming there is nothing cut out) would need 20-21 chapters per episode!