Was Gohan stronger than Goku at the end of Z?

[Saiyan-Professor]

...I've not gotten around to bringing it up with him yet. Your comment was the last I've seen and as such is the one to have broken the camel's back.

Well it seems as if every time you get around to it you direct your comments in my direction. Rocketman has spoken against Son Gohan quite a few times recently yet for some strange reason his comments are ignored but you focus on me.

Well, is that a lie?

No, it's more of an opinion that has formed in your mind after having gathered information from the manga/anime. It can also be seen as your own experience of the events.
Nevertheless, to have an opinion is a human right, and it should be respected equally amongst all people.

I agree.

[JulieYBM]

...I've not gotten around to bringing it up with him yet. Your comment was the last I've seen and as such is the one to have broken the camel's back.

Well it seems as if every time you get around to it you direct your comments in my direction. Rocketman has spoken against Son Gohan quite a few times recently yet for some strange reason his comments are ignored but you focus on me.

I'm sorry it feels that way to you.

If it's an consulation, check out the DBM thread. But I will say I don't want to partake in brewing some internet drama.

[ssjRohan]

In the end of Buu saga Gohan was stronger than Goku since he could kick super Buus ass while Goku couldnt (Goku states this in the manga).But in the end of DBZ after 10 years Goku probably is stronger since hes obviously been training the whole time while Gohan probably hasnt.

[Bussani]

Is there really no limit to what training can do?

"He's stronger than me! I'll train for 10 more years and then I'll be strongest!"

You'd think their bodies would just explode eventually.

[saiyanprincess]

Is there really no limit to what training can do?

"He's stronger than me! I'll train for 10 more years and then I'll be strongest!"

You'd think their bodies would just explode eventually.

Bare in mind they are saiyan's though, If Vegeta had his way and the room of spirit and time would have allowed it... He would have stayed training in there for a few more years. If I remember even Goku (Or was it Piccolo) pointed out that this was nuts even for him.
Krillin trains and after he reaches a point he knows he can no longer grow stronger, Also the same with Yamcha. (They know they can't gain anything else from training.) Whilst Goku and Vegeta on the otherhand just continue to pummel themselves and excel further and further ahead with their training.

To contradict myself however.... With sheer power even their bodies can explode, - But Vegeta used this to his advantage as he self-destructed in a bid to defeat Buu.

[Bussani]

Bare in mind they are saiyan's though, If Vegeta had his way and the room of spirit and time would have allowed it... He would have stayed training in there for a few more years. If I remember even Goku (Or was it Piccolo) pointed out that this was nuts even for him.
Krillin trains and after he reaches a point he knows he can no longer grow stronger, Also the same with Yamcha. (They know they can't gain anything else from training.) Whilst Goku and Vegeta on the otherhand just continue to pummel themselves and excel further and further ahead with their training.

To contradict myself however.... With sheer power even their bodies can explode, - But Vegeta used this to his advantage as he self-destructed in a bid to defeat Buu.

Also bare in mind that the humans weren't the only ones to ever reach their limits. Goku and Gohan didn't go back into the room of spirit and time because Goku thought it wouldn't help any more, and he told the others, "You can still use it. You probably still have room for improvement," making it sound like he didn't. Sure, they later went further than that, but that could be down to finding transformations that let them go beyond their old limits.

I find it unlikely that Vegeta's strength would continue to grow indefinitely even if he spent years in the room.

[Saiyan-Professor]

...Also bare in mind that the humans weren't the only ones to ever reach their limits. Goku and Gohan didn't go back into the room of spirit and time because Goku thought it wouldn't help any more, and he told the others, "You can still use it. You probably still have room for improvement," making it sound like he didn't. Sure, they later went further than that, but that could be down to finding transformations that let them go beyond their old limits.

I find it unlikely that Vegeta's strength would continue to grow indefinitely even if he spent years in the room.

Kakarrot was betting on Son Gohan anyway so I do not believe that he really meant that because by the time of Dragonball GT he and Vegeta were on Buu Saga Super Saiyan levels in their base forms.

[Bussani]

I'm not someone who irrationally hates GT, so I'll just point out that I'm working off of the manga only. It's great to try to figure out ways to make GT work as a continuation of the story, but I wouldn't use it's so called 'facts' when thinking about any part of the manga.

As for Goku...yeah, he saw the potential in Gohan, but the conversation he has with Vegeta just seems pretty definitive to me.

"We don't need another day. After a certain point you're just torturing your body rather than training it. But you guys can still use another day in there, you probably still have room for improvement."

"Are you saying you're superior to me, Kakarott?"

"Yeah. By a lot."

Goku isn't one to brag. It seemed like he was just stating facts. He thought that he didn't have room to improve significantly, at least not yet and not in the time they had left.

[Dr. Casey]

Is there really no limit to what training can do?

"He's stronger than me! I'll train for 10 more years and then I'll be strongest!"

You'd think their bodies would just explode eventually.

Indeed. Though, it only bothers me when there's no logical reason for such a huge strength increase.

Goku becomes a lot stronger after training eight months with Master Roshi? Sure, Roshi put the kid through hell.
Goku's a lot stronger after training three years between the 21st and 22nd Tenkaichi Budokais? Well, that's only natural.
Goku's improved between the 22nd and 23rd Budokais? Well, obviously, he did train with Kami himself for three years.
Goku becomes twenty times stronger training with King Kai? Considering that King Kai says one year training on his planet is equivalent to several thousand years of Earth training, that makes perfect sense.
Goku goes through a 12x increase on the trip to Planet Namek? Sure, he had taken advantage of the Zenkai system and greatly expanded on King's Kai's highly effective training regimen. Six days is pushing it, obviously, but I can see how this sort of training would have such a huge effect.
Goku becomes a ton stronger in the three years training for the Androids by exchanging punches, kicks, and ki blasts with Piccolo and Gohan? Yeah, that makes perfect - wait, what? Why would that be the reason behind such a tremendous increase? Why didn't normal, unremarkable training see these sorts of boosts back in the Dragon Ball days? Goku started DBZ at 416, but screwing around with Piccolo and Gohan for a few years net him an increase of presumably millions?

Power levels in Dragon Ball can be really screwy sometimes when looking out for consistency.

[Bussani]

Is there really no limit to what training can do?

"He's stronger than me! I'll train for 10 more years and then I'll be strongest!"

You'd think their bodies would just explode eventually.

Indeed. Though, it only bothers me when there's no logical reason for such a huge strength increase.

Goku becomes a lot stronger after training eight months with Master Roshi? Sure, Roshi put the kid through hell.
Goku's a lot stronger after training three years between the 21st and 22nd Tenkaichi Budokais? Well, that's only natural.
Goku's improved between the 22nd and 23rd Budokais? Well, obviously, he did train with Kami himself for three years.
Goku becomes twenty times stronger training with King Kai? Considering that King Kai says one year training on his planet is equivalent to several thousand years of Earth training, that makes perfect sense.
Goku goes through a 12x increase on the trip to Planet Namek? Sure, he had taken advantage of the Zenkai system and greatly expanded on King's Kai's highly effective training regimen. Six days is pushing it, obviously, but I can see how this sort of training would have such a huge effect.
Goku becomes a ton stronger in the three years training for the Androids by exchanging punches, kicks, and ki blasts with Piccolo and Gohan? Yeah, that makes perfect - wait, what? Why would that be the reason behind such a tremendous increase? Why didn't normal, unremarkable training see these sorts of boosts back in the Dragon Ball days? Goku started DBZ at 416, but screwing around with Piccolo and Gohan for a few years net him an increase of presumably millions?

Power levels in Dragon Ball can be really screwy sometimes when looking out for consistency.

During his gravity training on his way to Namek he really abused the heck out of zenkais; not only was he putting his body through hell, but he was fully recovering it in an instant with senzu after senzu. Very efficient, if you don't mind wasting the things.

As for his training for the Androids...I have no idea what they went through. Actually we don't know if Goku himself got that much stronger, do we? There's no evidence to suggest he did except that as a Super Saiyajin he was kicking 19 around, but he might have done that in Trunks' timeline if he hadn't died of a heart attack anyway.

[rereboy]

I don`t think goku improved that much during the preparation for the androids, compared to himself when he beat freeza.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Gohan is much stronger then Goku before the 10 yrs of peace. As mentioned, Goku stated that Super Boo was too strong for them to take without the potara, and this is enough to show the difference in power.

However, after the ten yrs, I could see Goku on-par with Gohan of the Boo saga. There was never a limit shown for Goku anywhere during the series, so there's no reason to believe he couldn't get that much stronger in that amount of time. Bulma even said she hardly saw Goku because he was on training trips, and Goku did say himself, that they would train hard just in case Mr. Boo created another monster, somehow. That could be a reference to Evil Boo, Kid Boo, or Super Boo; likely the strongest of the three, though, since he was much weaker then him.

Anyway, Goku is weaker then Gohan before the 10 yrs, and after that depends solely on your opinion.

[Horgus]

Indeed. Though, it only bothers me when there's no logical reason for such a huge strength increase.

Goku becomes a lot stronger after training eight months with Master Roshi? Sure, Roshi put the kid through hell.
Goku's a lot stronger after training three years between the 21st and 22nd Tenkaichi Budokais? Well, that's only natural.
Goku's improved between the 22nd and 23rd Budokais? Well, obviously, he did train with Kami himself for three years.
Goku becomes twenty times stronger training with King Kai? Considering that King Kai says one year training on his planet is equivalent to several thousand years of Earth training, that makes perfect sense.
Goku goes through a 12x increase on the trip to Planet Namek? Sure, he had taken advantage of the Zenkai system and greatly expanded on King's Kai's highly effective training regimen. Six days is pushing it, obviously, but I can see how this sort of training would have such a huge effect.
Goku becomes a ton stronger in the three years training for the Androids by exchanging punches, kicks, and ki blasts with Piccolo and Gohan? Yeah, that makes perfect - wait, what? Why would that be the reason behind such a tremendous increase? Why didn't normal, unremarkable training see these sorts of boosts back in the Dragon Ball days? Goku started DBZ at 416, but screwing around with Piccolo and Gohan for a few years net him an increase of presumably millions?

Power levels in Dragon Ball can be really screwy sometimes when looking out for consistency.

Yeah I think it's best to just take things at face value and not apply too much overly rigid logic and thinking to power progression in DBZ/GT.