Dragon Ball: Evolution- Speculation and Discussion

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:23 am

Dr. Casey wrote: Half your posts on Daizenshuu are related to Dragon Ball: Evolution. I think it's obvious you're not much of a true fan.

Whatever you say, buddy.

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:24 am

Half your posts on Daizenshuu are related to Dragon Ball: Evolution. I think it's obvious you're not much of a true fan.

Dude, seriously. Just pull your head in. Half of your posts are obnoxious and questioning people's love of the show. I think you show more poor form as a fan than JAPPO or practically anyone else on the board.

Also, not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but on IMDb, it already has a rating of 5.4, which is probably as bad a score that a movie like this can start at. The new Street Fighter even started off at a higher rating.

YouTube · Post by **Hujio** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:06 am

Dr. Casey wrote:
B wrote:"True" Dragon Ball fans? Thank god I'm not one of those.
And I believe Movie 6 had a theatrical release in various theaters across the U.S.
You are, B. You might be more openminded than I, but your heart is filled with love for all things Dragon Ball.
And I was referring to Japan right there. I think most of the DBZ movies might've seen a theatrical release, but I dunno about some of the more low-budget ones like Path to Power.

I guess I'm not a true fan then since most of the anime movies sucked balls.
Half your posts on Daizenshuu are related to Dragon Ball: Evolution. I think it's obvious you're not much of a true fan.

Okay, I don't normally intervene in these bicker-fests because I find them pointless and frankly, typically not worth anyone's time.

First point; a "true fan"? WTF?! Seriously, that's not an argument, since there's no such thing as a true fan of anything. (this is directed at everyone)
Second point; the 10th anniversary was not a low-budget film. That movie was anything but low-budget and how dare you suggest otherwise.
Final point; yes, all of the DragonBall and DragonBall Z films were shown in theaters in Japan.

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:11 am

Since it seems like movie tickets are a lot more expensive in Japan, you have to wonder how people felt about paying all that money for movies that were like 50 minutes long? I mean, I'd probably spend the money, but I wouldn't be that happy about it.

DominatorLost · Post by **DominatorLost** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:17 am

fogdark wrote:I am pretty sure this will be the best review about the movie, so far. It gives an intelligent look at the live action, while keeping it short and simple.
Check the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZs5iSVtDso
Also, I guess with this, we can assume Evolution, like Trix, "is for Kids."

Best opinion in the whole thread.

Dr. Casey wrote:
B wrote:
I guess I'm not a true fan then since most of the anime movies sucked balls.
Half your posts on Daizenshuu are related to Dragon Ball: Evolution. I think it's obvious you're not much of a true fan.

YEAH BECAUSE WE'RE HARDCORE ENOUGH TO SEE THE MOVIE AS SACRILEGE AMIRITE?

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:04 am

As much as I didn't agree with JAPPO's views with the movie the whole way through this entire thread, I gotta step in and say this about the "true fan" thing -

Cut that out.

Stop that "not a true fan" bullshit. The only way you can't be a real fan is if you try pushing some kind of logic that DB fans have to either enjoy everything DB related or enjoy certain things DB related. A Dragon Ball fan can be someone who likes the anime, the manga, the movies, the games, or even the live-action movie. Doesn't have to be anything in particularly.

I don't like the live-action movie. Does that mean I'm not a true fan? No. JAPPO likes the movie, but hates the animated movies. Does that mean he's not a true fan? No. We ALL enjoy Dragon Ball in some manner. That's what makes this community unique. We all have various experiences with this wonderful series and enjoy it in many ways. Don't try to pull an elitist stunt that dictates on who's a "true fan" just by your logic.

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:54 am

ANN review is up. It's not good.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:08 am

Sebastian (SB) wrote:ANN review is up. It's not good.

Sounds extremely pissy, cynical, and biased from the very outset. I don't really trust an anime-centric site to critique an anime-based film.

B · Post by B » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:53 am

The only problem with "Well, you guys said I had to see the movie to badmouth it, and now I have, so it sucks bawlz" is that it is expected to be taken as some sort of fact now just because someone has seen it, and if you're still hopeful, you're going to be steamrolled by the assiest of assholes.

By all accounts, the movie is horrible, but it's the jackoff attitude that flares around the film that annoys me.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:00 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:Sounds extremely pissy, cynical, and biased from the very outset.

Welcome to Zac's review and conversational style.

That certainly doesn't take anything away from the legitimacy of the review, though. They were honest feelings and honest emotions written in the form of a "review".

While the movie is not out world-wide, I'm curious what it will take for someone who ends up genuinely enjoying the film to accept and understand the review of someone who sees it differently (and, of course, vice versa)...?

B · Post by B » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:02 am

HFI L will freeze over.

Dbzbabe · Post by **Dbzbabe** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:08 am

My friend is visiting Japan right now, she says "I'm in Tokyo, staying in the Ginza area (Yurakucho station) and all around me are movie posters of Dragonball Evolution, the new crap live action movie version of Dragonball. It's been out in Japan for over a week now, but it's not coming to the USA until April 6th... so I'm half tempted to go see the movie merely to get a sneak preview compared to the rest of the world, but I hold myself back because I question my judgement. What the hell am I thinking? Pay 20 bucks to see DRAGONBALL EVOLUTION? I'll wait for it to come out on watch-movies-links first roflmao. But it's fun to see it playing already. I talked to someone who saw it. They said it's the worst movie ever. I'm not that surprised roflmao."

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:21 am

Kingdom Heartless wrote:Since it seems like movie tickets are a lot more expensive in Japan, you have to wonder how people felt about paying all that money for movies that were like 50 minutes long? I mean, I'd probably spend the money, but I wouldn't be that happy about it.

They were double-features, I believe. So people didn't.

Son Wukong · Post by **Son Wukong** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:23 am

B wrote:HFI L will freeze over.

Looks like it just did.....hmmm.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:23 am

VegettoEX wrote:While the movie is not out world-wide, I'm curious what it will take for someone who ends up genuinely enjoying the film to accept and understand the review of someone who sees it differently (and, of course, vice versa)...?

Well, I suppose it's a matter of, "it's not WHAT you say, but HOW you say it."

Greg's review is a good example, at least for me. He didn't like the film. He made that quite clear. But I found the whole thing honest and enlightening, even though having read it I still expect to like the movie quite a bit. Hell, it'll probably HELP me do so, since I know a little more of what to expect. BUT Greg managed to give his thoughts without slinging around phrases like:

This Zac guy wrote: Here's what happened instead: a bunch of talentless hacks with studio money slapped together a big steaming pile of baffling garbage that fails utterly on every possible level and will please no one at all.

That doesn't strike me as very professional or courteous. I would hope anyone reading it, regardless of their own view on the film, would agree with me that it seems quite biased, exaggerated, and distasteful.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:37 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:
This Zac guy wrote: Here's what happened instead: a bunch of talentless hacks with studio money slapped together a big steaming pile of baffling garbage that fails utterly on every possible level and will please no one at all.
That doesn't strike me as very professional or courteous. I would hope anyone reading it, regardless of their own view on the film, would agree with me that it seems quite biased, exaggerated, and distasteful.

I don't disagree with you one bit. I have a plethora of things I could say about the downturn of "journalistic integrity" (for lack of a better phrase) at ANN over the years (anyone else remember a time when they didn't pander to the 4chan crowd while trying to hide behind a shield of simultaneously condemning it...?)...

... but at the same time, I don't want to take anything away from anyone's genuine feelings about the movie. Just because they're not eloquently written doesn't make than any less valid.

Wojak · Post by **Wojak** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:41 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:
That doesn't strike me as very professional or courteous. I would hope anyone reading it, regardless of their own view on the film, would agree with me that it seems quite biased, exaggerated, and distasteful.

I'm happy that I'm one of the few that try to see the contents of the review, instead of getting upset about it's tone, even though if it's about something I like.
The writing he does in the review are just a part of the Internet reviewing fad, to write exactly in the way you want. Without censorship.
A normal newspaper would have censored it because of it not being politically correct.
I'm all for such reviews, because they are honest, something that everyday media (excluding the Internet) keeps away from us.
If I think that something is a steaming pile of shit, I would say so. Because of that I have the freedom to.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:48 am

omae no kaasan wrote:As for how they handle these films, since this film was intended for a wide audience there are both subbed and dubbed versions. TYPICALLY Dreamworks and Pixar stuff have more dub showings than subbed showings. They use an all-star cast just like the US too and even include local jokes, puns etc. Sometimes films intended for families, like Narnia, have more subbed versions playing with a few dub versions running as well. This is the category DB finds itself in when looking at playing schedules I saw far more sub time-slots than dub ones.

Actually, it's not so much whether they're aimed at families or not, but whether they're animated or not. Animated movies generally get more dubs than subs, while live-action movies get more subs.

The Dragonball movie is aimed at a somewhat older audience than your typically dubbed live-action movie, so expect most countries to show it sub-only.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:02 pm

Son Wukong wrote:
B wrote:HFI L will freeze over.
Looks like it just did.....hmmm.

If the film keeps up this pace and it has a good showing in North America we may get a sequel after all.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:04 pm

VegettoEX wrote:... but at the same time, I don't want to take anything away from anyone's genuine feelings about the movie. Just because they're not eloquently written doesn't make than any less valid.

Yeah, I know. But at the same time, bad presentation is only gonna repel people (save for the small percentage who feel as strongly on the topic as you). You're gonna be pretty wary of picking up that gold dubloon if it's coated in a layer of horse manure. Just because you CAN sacrifice tact because you've got "free speech" doesn't mean you SHOULD.