Son Goku's Mother

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:45 am

It's been something that I, along with many other Dragon Ball fans, have always wondered. Who is Son Goku's mother, and why do we never hear about her, let alone see her?

And no, Fasha is not Goku's mother. I hate it when people always assume she's Goku's mother just because she's the only (or one of the only) female Saiyans that we see in the series. Anyway, Bardock and Fasha were friends rather than partners. I think it was just some woman that Bardock knocked up and they never had a real relationship like Gohan and Videl.

Continuing on from this topic, why are parents generally absent in Dragon Ball/Z? We never see Vegeta's mother, nor do we see Videl's mother. We don't see Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Kuririn's parents either.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:54 am

Piccolo Daimao wrote: I think it was just some woman that Bardock knocked up and they never had a real relationship like Gohan and Videl.

This, I don't see Sayians living together, warmly embracing one another and sharing their deepest dreams and aspirations. (No matter what the Bardock horny 15 year old female fanfic writer says.) Bardock fucked some random great saiyaslut and out popped Goku.

B · Post by B » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:01 am

Parents aren't really important to this overarching epic story. They'd just seem like unneeded background characters that don't do anything if they ever showed up.

Dragon Ball has enough of those.

Kroni_Hunter · Post by **Kroni_Hunter** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:42 pm

Do we really know how the mating system works on planet Vegeta? None of the characters had mothers around. Maybe the women who weren't fighters like Fasha were kept like the queen ant to produce offspring from various warriors.

Incidentally, is Bardock really Raditz's father? Thinking about it now I'd say Goku and Raditz just had the same mother, and that's why Bardock never acknowledged Raditz in the special.

Terra-jin · Post by **Terra-jin** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:46 pm

We do know that she has abnormally long hair. Who else would Raditz have taken after then?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:10 pm

Kroni_Hunter wrote:Do we really know how the mating system works on planet Vegeta? None of the characters had mothers around. Maybe the women who weren't fighters like Selypa were kept like the queen ant to produce offspring from various warriors.

If Saiyans are extremely patrilineal, then Kakarot, Raditz, Vegeta and the like wouldn't even be considered descendants of their mothers.

Kroni_Hunter · Post by **Kroni_Hunter** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:18 pm

They're really not, that's why it's never even stated who their mothers are. But Raditz and Goku would still be brothers.

Bejiita · Post by **Bejiita** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:11 pm

It's an area of the story Toriyama never thought should be involved with the main story. Even Bardock's presence in the story wasn't down to Toriyama, but Toei thought that part of the Dragonbal history should be talked about, and I did enjoy watching the Bardock special, it's probably one of the best side stories to DBZ, and I enjoyed it more than the Trunks special or any DBZ movie. Toriyama kind of avoids releations to most mothers in the series, apart from Goku's we have Vegeta's, Chi chi's, Videl's, and they are character's that play important parts in the series. I think maybe women on the planet Vegeta were kind of deprived of dignity and as they weren't really warriors, or like Selypa, battled with others if they could. It's not as if they had to mother their children, since newborns immediately are sent to planets to take over them.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:20 pm

Bardock was a Saiyan through-and-through was too battle-hungry to stick around and be a parent. Even if he wanted to, he had (what appeared to be) weak children, anyway. Well, Raditz not be so weak compared to the average Saiyan, but he was still nothing special and was farmed out to kill and destroy just like everyone else.

By the looks of it, Saiyan babies were sent out to be planet thrashers as infants with no thought as to how they were to survive. So, as babies, they apparently don't need much parental guidance in order to survive and do their job without much of a problem unless they have a plot-twisting head injury or something.

The way I look at it, Bardock and whoever met up at some Saiyan watering hole or a hospital or something after a mission, did their business with each other, and the only way Bardock even knew that Goku was born was that he was told so after it happened. After that, Goku's mom would've gone back into battle as soon as she was healthy enough to do so.

There's nothing really for me back that up with definitively, but Vegeta didn't really seem to give a crap about Bulma or Trunks after he did his business with her. He just went about his life of training and fighting and barely even acknowledged their existence. It wasn't until after future Trunks was killed that he even admitted to himself that he was angered by his death and he only started admitting any interest in kid Trunks after he found out how strong he was and how great of a challenge Goten might be for him. Then, when Vegeta was going to sacrifice himself, that's when it became completely apparent that he really does care for his family. Most of that probably was due to the fact that he spent around a decade on Earth getting used to the customs of Earthlings.

So, really, without the social customs of anyone other than Saiyans getting in Bardock's way, I would assume that the way Vegeta acted toward Bulma and Trunks for many years is similar to how Bardock would act toward Goku or Goku's mother. Of course Bardock would never want to see either of his sons dead and is going to be proud of their conquests if he hears of them, but he's not going to be particularly close to either of them or their mother because training, fighting, and eating are really the only important things in the life of a Saiyan.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:24 pm

Kroni_Hunter wrote:Incidentally, is Bardock really Raditz's father? Thinking about it now I'd say Goku and Raditz just had the same mother, and that's why Bardock never acknowledged Raditz in the special.

I'm pretty sure Raditz told Goku that he looks like "our father." And he definitely said that "our mother and father" died when the planet was destroyed.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:50 pm

Nah, he just says Goku looks like "father". But he does say that "our father and mother" died when Planet Vegeta exploded.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:56 pm

Couldn't find my volume 14 to verify. >_>

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:14 pm

Well, if they do share a mother, and weren't in a relationship, maybe that proves booty calls are universal?

Yi Xing Long · Post by **Yi Xing Long** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:15 pm

Raditz says "your father," than later on says "our parents." This is from the Viz version.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:16 pm

No, he just said "father" in Japanese.

saiyanprincess · Post by **saiyanprincess** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:45 am

Kingdom Heartless wrote:Well, if they do share a mother, and weren't in a relationship, maybe that proves booty calls are universal?

Didn't future Trunks claim that in his time this was how Vegeta and Bulma hitched up? I think he called it a passionate thing.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:06 pm

saiyanprincess wrote:
Kingdom Heartless wrote:Well, if they do share a mother, and weren't in a relationship, maybe that proves booty calls are universal?
Didn't future Trunks claim that in his time this was how Vegeta and Bulma hitched up? I think he called it a passionate thing.

Yeah, and it's the basis of my theory on Goku's mother in my (large) post earlier in this thread.

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