Is Broly stronger than before in Second Coming?

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:02 am

Is Broly stronger in Broly: Second Coming" than he was in "Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan"? It's a theory that I've heard come up many times through the Dragon Ball fanbase. I personally think he's the same in both movies, but some others have the idea that he got a Zenkai. But Zenkais didn't seem to apply to Saiyans anymore after the Super Saiyan concept, with only Cell gaining a Zenkai boost after his self-destruction. Another theory is that his regular Super Saiyan is stronger because, in the first Broly movie, he was being restrained by the mind control whereas in the second movie, his mind control was broken off. I also disagree with this because on both occasons, Broly had broken out of Paragus' mind control device anyway.

So, what's your opinion? Is Broly stronger than before in Second Coming? Or is he the same?

Another thing: where did Kuririn get Piccolo's clothes from? I assumed that he flew up to Kami's Lookout and simply asked Piccolo to make an outfit for him, which is believable, but strange for Kuririn. I'd like to express how pissed off I was that it wasn't Piccolo who saved Gohan, since he never appears in the movies after Movie 9.

EDIT: I now think that Broly is stronger than before in Second Coming.

Post by **Herms** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:05 am

Daizenshuu 6 does say he's stronger in DBZ movie 10.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:18 am

Herms wrote:Daizenshuu 6 does say he's stronger in DBZ movie 10.

Finally an answer some here used to debate this issue constantly.

Tweaker · Post by **Tweaker** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:14 pm

I think the big distinction in whether or not Broly is stronger comes due to the fact that he's in his normal Super Saiyan form a majority of Movie 10, and not his legendary form; he doesn't transform into his legendary form until Gohan becomes a Super Saiyan. He then proceeds to promptly tear Gohan's ass into the ground, which strongly suggests--Daizenshuu aside--that he has to at least be somewhat stronger than before.

Incidentally, I just rewatched Movie 10 last night, so it's pretty fresh in my mind. =P

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:50 pm

Tweaker wrote:I think the big distinction in whether or not Broly is stronger comes due to the fact that he's in his normal Super Saiyan form a majority of Movie 10, and not his legendary form; he doesn't transform into his legendary form until Gohan becomes a Super Saiyan. He then proceeds to promptly tear Gohan's ass into the ground, which strongly suggests--Daizenshuu aside--that he has to at least be somewhat stronger than before.

Incidentally, I just rewatched Movie 10 last night, so it's pretty fresh in my mind. =P

That is the position I had from the beginning but many believed that he did not receive a near-death power up after being hit with the Toei Punch. His Super Saiyan 1 was even impressive especially when he powers up and erodes the ground under him for quite a distance.

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:43 pm

I guess it doesn't make much sense that he is stronger in Movie 10 than 8, but in terms of sequels where old villains come back they usually are more powerful than before, regardless of whether it makes sense or not.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:51 pm

I also agree that Brolly was stronger in movie ten. I think one of the reasons why people see it the other way is that Gohan actually gets some good hits in on Brolly in his Legendary form. Overall in the fight, those hits meant little and Gohan got beat up pretty bad. With that said it was more significant then the first time they fought Brolly. They couldn't do anything to Brolly until everyone donated their powers to Goku.
That's my view.

Horgus · Post by **Horgus** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:00 pm

I always had the impression that Broly was weaker after waking up from being frozen in the ground. He had that large wound on his chest (from Goku's 'Toei punch' cheese move at the end of movie 8) that Gohan seemed to focus on several times, even managing to land a few small blows (something that Goku never did).

Guess I was wrong.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:03 pm

Horgus wrote:I always had the impression that Broly was weaker after waking up from being frozen in the ground. He had that large wound on his chest (from Goku's 'Toei punch' cheese move at the end of movie that Gohan seemed to focus on several times, even managing to land a few small blows (something that Goku never did).

Guess I was wrong.

I think that's good thinking though. He did have that scar that Gohan seem to get some punishing hits on. Brolly was strong than last time, but he had a weakness this time.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:00 pm

I never knew this was a debate. I just figured movie 10 Broly was the same as movie 8 Broly with a near-death boost.

mister yummy · Post by **mister yummy** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:54 pm

Brolli is stronger in Movie 10. He was nearly killed by Goku, and then stuck on that chunk of a comet for years until crashin into earth and getting frozen. Healing from that would give him a pretty good 'Zenkai'.

Of course, Gohan is stronger too. Well, not really, but he has a nifty new transformation.

Add that to the fact that Brolli doesn't use his Legendary form for a while, and you have a decent fight.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:41 pm

mister yummy wrote:...Of course, Gohan is stronger too. Well, not really, but he has a nifty new transformation...

You are about to start up another old debate in regard to whether Son Gohan was a Super Saiyan 2 or not in Movie #10.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 7:36 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:You are about to start up another old debate in regard to whether Son Gohan was a Super Saiyan 2 or not in Movie #10.

He's obviously not, since any Super Saiyan 2 would tear Broly apart.

Tweaker · Post by **Tweaker** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:15 pm

I thought that Super Saiyan 2 was largely defined by the presence of sparks in the aura? If this is the case, then it can be safely assumed that no, he was not SSJ2 during Movie 10.

Granted, you can try and say that it was just inconsistent animation, but they sure seem to make sure that the two different forms are distinguishable enough every other time...

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:22 pm

Tweaker wrote:I thought that Super Saiyan 2 was largely defined by the presence of sparks in the aura? If this is the case, then it can be safely assumed that no, he was not SSJ2 during Movie 10.

Granted, you can try and say that it was just inconsistent animation, but they sure seem to make sure that the two different forms are distinguishable enough every other time...

I cannot remember do we actually see Super Saiyan 2 or something that resembles it in any of the movies; I know we saw Super Saiyan 3 quite a few times.

Ex-Dubbie369 · Post by **Ex-Dubbie369** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:41 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:I cannot remember do we actually see Super Saiyan 2 or something that resembles it in any of the movies; I know we saw Super Saiyan 3 quite a few times.

In Movie 13, Goku definitely fights a SSJ2. It's basically his default fighting state in the movie.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:42 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:I cannot remember do we actually see Super Saiyan 2 or something that resembles it in any of the movies; I know we saw Super Saiyan 3 quite a few times.

Gohan goes SSJ2 at the end of Movie 9.

-Corey

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:42 pm

Ex-Dubbie369 wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:I cannot remember do we actually see Super Saiyan 2 or something that resembles it in any of the movies; I know we saw Super Saiyan 3 quite a few times.
In Movie 13, Goku definitely fights a SSJ2. It's basically his default fighting state in the movie.

Was there lightning present it has been awhile since I saw all the movies?

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:I cannot remember do we actually see Super Saiyan 2 or something that resembles it in any of the movies; I know we saw Super Saiyan 3 quite a few times.
Gohan goes SSJ2 at the end of Movie 9.

-Corey

Thanks, I forgot about that one.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:50 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:I cannot remember do we actually see Super Saiyan 2 or something that resembles it in any of the movies; I know we saw Super Saiyan 3 quite a few times.

Goku is SSJ2 for a bit in Movie 12.

Ex-Dubbie369 · Post by **Ex-Dubbie369** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:54 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Was there lightning present it has been awhile since I saw all the movies.

Not completely sure about the lightning, but I distinctly remember the hair being different, since you can actually tell with Goku.

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