If Babidi arrived in Future Trunks' timeline

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:29 pm

If Babidi had arrived in Trunks' time at the same Age arrived in Son's original time, how would things have turned out? Everyone but Trunks and maybe Son Gohan would be dead, so I'm pretty sure that Boo would not have been revived, due to lack of power. But what would Babidi and Dabura have done without Son Goku, Vegeta, and the other tough guys around? Would he have Dabura simply destroy Earth or would he go elsewhere in the cosmos? Who knows, maybe he would find Broly of all people, since everyone in Trunks' time was dead before they could even meet him(Even though he is only a movie villain). I wanna know what you guys think would happen.

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:48 pm

Maybe, since so many things changed, Babidi didn't want to revive Majin Buu because he'd be too weak, so he wouldn't need Dabra.

Going by your theory if Babidi actually did use Dabra, I don't think they would run into Broly because the movie are situated in a different level of canon than even the anime, but I guess it's a possibility however minimal

darkhawk5 · Post by **darkhawk5** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:06 pm

Shin Budokai 2 deals with this exact situation.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:11 pm

darkhawk5 wrote:Shin Budokai 2 deals with this exact situation.

I agree for the most part, the game became convoluted in some parts I guess in order to stretch it out but I can see most of it occurring in that very fashion.

By the way, where is your avatar from?

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:17 pm

Huh...didn't know that...the story seems like...a really bad fan fiction, IMO

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:20 pm

Rod wrote:Huh...didn't know that...the story seems like...a really bad fan fiction, IMO

Many have made that same statement in the past but I can see things playing out that way, it takes a lot of the original story and concept into consideration.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:28 pm

Dabura and Babidi did arrive in Trunks' time, they just weren't capable of reviving Boo. Either they were defeated (unlikely), gave up (plausible), or took the egg and went somewhere else in the universe (most likely).

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:30 pm

Dayspring wrote:Dabura and Babidi did arrive in Trunks' time, they just weren't capable of reviving Boo. Either they were defeated (unlikely), gave up (plausible), or took the egg and went somewhere else in the universe (most likely).

Probably this. There probably wasn't enough energy left on Earth to revive Buu.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:38 pm

Dayspring wrote:Dabura and Babidi did arrive in Trunks' time, they just weren't capable of reviving Boo. Either they were defeated (unlikely), gave up (plausible), or took the egg and went somewhere else in the universe (most likely).

Where did you get this bit of information?

Travis Touchdown · Post by **Travis Touchdown** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:35 am

Dayspring wrote:Dabura and Babidi did arrive in Trunks' time, they just weren't capable of reviving Boo. Either they were defeated (unlikely), gave up (plausible), or took the egg and went somewhere else in the universe (most likely).

I've read this many times too.

I'd love to accept the story of Shin Budokai 2, but it just has so many plotholes, it's barely held together.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:23 am

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Dayspring wrote:Dabura and Babidi did arrive in Trunks' time, they just weren't capable of reviving Boo. Either they were defeated (unlikely), gave up (plausible), or took the egg and went somewhere else in the universe (most likely).
Where did you get this bit of information?

From common sense. Didn't Babidi leave his ship or Boo's shell on Earth 100 years ago or something like that? That means he'd have to come back. Trunks' timeline did nothing to prohibit Babidi from coming back, in Trunks' future.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:03 pm

What happened in Shin Budokai 2?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:06 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Dayspring wrote:Dabura and Babidi did arrive in Trunks' time, they just weren't capable of reviving Boo. Either they were defeated (unlikely), gave up (plausible), or took the egg and went somewhere else in the universe (most likely).
Where did you get this bit of information?

The 4 Timelines explanation of Daizenshuu 7, despite being exceptionally craptacular, mentions n a written blurb what the differences in the timelines are and why/how they exist. At the end, it says this:

"On another note, why didn't Boo awaken in the second and third timelines? The answer is actually quite simple; those who had a collossal energy like he did no longer existed on Earth."

Second and Third timelines being Trunks and Cell's. The explanation makes the most amount of sense. It took the strength of SSJ2 Gohan to fill the egg halfway, and the energy of SSJ2 Goku and Vegeta to fill it the rest of the way. In the other timelines, the strongest person on Earth is #17, who has nowhere near that much energy.

Here's a thought: what if #16 was scouted to help Kaioshin, as he was stronger than #17 and #18 and had aritificial energy which couldn't be absorbed by Boo? This could explain his absence in the other timelines; he'd be destroyed by Dabura.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:16 pm

Dayspring wrote:Dabura and Babidi did arrive in Trunks' time, they just weren't capable of reviving Boo. Either they were defeated (unlikely), gave up (plausible), or took the egg and went somewhere else in the universe (most likely).

This is what makes more sense, since buu`s egg was already at Earth (if my memory serves me right) before the Cell saga and Babidi would never just leave it there. After all it was his father greatest creation and the ultimate power.

So I am forced to conclude that Babidi would go to Earth in every timeline that we know of to, at least, retrieve buu`s egg, since the events of every Timeline would not have prevented him from doing so.

The events would only differ after his arrival on Earth, since the planet and everything else is very different.

In the most likely scenario he would leave with the egg to some place with enough power to revive buu. The kaioshin would possibly try to stop them, but would fail if he had Dabura by his side, which we are forced to presume we would have.

In a new planet he would probably awaken buu, who would then kill dabura and Babidi if the events turned out to be rather similar to what happened in the original storyline.

But since this is Fat buu, the universe would probably survive. Having much good in him Fat buu would probably settle down in a house like he tried to do in the original storyline and only do the ocacional rampage of destruction. Since he would never meet Mr. Satan he would not turn completely evil, and the universe would be safe from destrution, if all went well.

darkhawk5 · Post by **darkhawk5** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:06 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
darkhawk5 wrote:Shin Budokai 2 deals with this exact situation.
I agree for the most part, the game became convoluted in some parts I guess in order to stretch it out but I can see most of it occurring in that very fashion.

By the way, where is your avatar from?

It's from one of the calendars

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:10 pm

darkhawk5 wrote:It's from one of the calendars

It's nice, but over the rules' designated size. Here, I shrank it for you.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:15 pm

Dayspring wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Dayspring wrote:Dabura and Babidi did arrive in Trunks' time, they just weren't capable of reviving Boo. Either they were defeated (unlikely), gave up (plausible), or took the egg and went somewhere else in the universe (most likely).
Where did you get this bit of information?
The 4 Timelines explanation of Daizenshuu 7, despite being exceptionally craptacular, mentions n a written blurb what the differences in the timelines are and why/how they exist. At the end, it says this:

"On another note, why didn't Boo awaken in the second and third timelines? The answer is actually quite simple; those who had a collossal energy like he did no longer existed on Earth."

Second and Third timelines being Trunks and Cell's. The explanation makes the most amount of sense. It took the strength of SSJ2 Gohan to fill the egg halfway, and the energy of SSJ2 Goku and Vegeta to fill it the rest of the way. In the other timelines, the strongest person on Earth is #17, who has nowhere near that much energy.

Here's a thought: what if #16 was scouted to help Kaioshin, as he was stronger than #17 and #18 and had aritificial energy which couldn't be absorbed by Boo? This could explain his absence in the other timelines; he'd be destroyed by Dabura.

Thanks, Babidi would have showed up on earth when Trunks was 8 years old right, then if he would have returned to earth later the events of Shin Budokai 2 could easily take place. All one would have to do is argue that somehow Babidi caught notice of Trunks' battle with the Artificial Humans or Imperfect Cell.

Post by **Herms** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:17 pm

rereboy wrote:Since he would never meet Mr. Satan he would not turn completely evil, and the universe would be safe from destrution, if all went well.

But meeting Mister Satan was the only thing that made him stop killing and destroying for fun. He would have gone on rampaging if Satan hadn't asked him to stop.

darkhawk5 · Post by **darkhawk5** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:22 pm

Bussani wrote:
darkhawk5 wrote:It's from one of the calendars
It's nice, but over the rules' designated size. Here, I shrank it for you.

Thank you so much

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:11 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Where did you get this bit of information?

Because, aside from taking some large liberties with the idea of the butterfly effect, none of the things Trunks changed in the past would have had any impact on Babidi or his plans. So there is no particular reason why he wouldn't have still landed on Earth to claim the Buu Sphere. The key difference is that Babidi then decided to harvest ki from people, expecting a long wait, only to hit jackpot with Saiyans. Gohan and a pre-SSJ Trunks in the original timeline wouldn't have anywhere near enough power (since Buu was mainly revived from sapping SSJ2 Gohan, and then having Vegeta at SSJ2 damage SSJ2 Goku). The specifics of what may have occured are anyones guess. Maybe 17 or 18 got the drop on him and killed him (freeing Dabura in the process).