Kai Episode 1 (05 April 2009)

[DBW]

Actually, it's because Pic's blood became purple in Z.

True. It's red when he first loses his arm during the Raditz battle, but then becomes purple by the time he gets killed by Nappa. It's actually nice that they're taking the time and care to fix this stuff.

[SSj_Rambo]

(Yabure-kabure/Yeah! Break! Care! Break! = Desperation)

No kidding! That extra syllable in "break" was really throughing me off when I was trying to Romanize the lyrics (a project which I failed miserably and thus gave up on). Phonetically it seems to be Yah (Yeah) Bu-rae (Break) Kah (Care) Bu-rae (Break) Omo-ikiri as the opening line. I had to listen to that at 50% speed several times.

Did you only have the audio of the song? Because it's pretty simple to Romanize the lyrics now that the episode is out since they conveniently include kana karaoke lyrics in the opening and ending.

They even have katakana pronunciations above the opening English words. "YA! BURE! KA! BURE! Omoikkiri"

Yeah, I only used the audio, but I did have the video at my disposal, and new that the katakana could simply be translated, but I don't know katakana (yet, in a year I will!!) and wanted to try and challenge myself and then compare it to some of the actaul katakana translations.

Really? Maybe I'm blind or it's my TV. It's bright for me

Nah, it's definitely not bright. It's hard to find detailed lines within purple and it's hard to distinguish dark blue with black.

Got some Season 1 and Kai comparisons, one that's relatively interesting to note!

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Yes, that last shot shows Raditz has been REDRAWN for that portion. In fact, that whole scene was redrawn (as the scenery looks similar but is quite different and nicer looking). If memory serves me right, someone showed a screen shot of the blasting portion. That whole portion was entirely redrawn, as you could barely see what happened in the original (with Raditz covered in the blast).

Wow, I too always remembered the season sets being really bright, but it just seems that the contrast is all out of whack. When Kai stands on its own or is compared to an inferior product it tends to look fine: but when it is compared to the Dragon Boxes or the FUNi double features is when it starts to look bad. Granted, the completely newly animated scenes and some of the scenes with added new special effects just plain look like crap next to the rest of the Kai episode no matter what, but for the most part when you look at it just as it is (without comparisons) it looks very nice (though the absence of grain will take some getting used to).

Hey, I don't know if this has already come up or not, but after watching the first episode like 15 times I just noticed they changed Piccolo's blood (23rd Budokai scene). Originally he had red blood, but now it's purple... Alien blood!

More censorship... seriously, I think this is just a big joke on us Americans XD!

Yeah, it's actually because that is how the blood is supposed to look. I'm impressed that they thought of it.
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And when I was watching the episode for the bajillionth time, I noticed that the text on the front of this building really looks like it was re-drawn (well, in motion it really looks that way).



I'm curious as to why they would need to re-draw text; did it say anything different in the original? Comaprison please!!

[shotkeeper]

Uggg, picture quality is terrible. Insanely soft, almost blurry. Detail levels look pretty much identical the orange brick DVDs.

Also, where is the grain? Grain from 16mm film becomes very visible in HD. Lots of film shaking too.

I agree on the shaking, but I can't find a single version that completely eliminates it.

These are still better than the Bricks by a long shot so far, though.

Maybe they are better, matter of opinion, but def. NOT by a long shot...

The image is even more blured then the Remastered ones... and it's the same crop crap, you guys whined about 2 years non stop. No significant extra footage on the sides. It's almost the same, just cleaned up and new colors, but if Funimation did what they did with they have, they def. did a good job if you ask me.

[Tsukento]

The image is even more blured then the Remastered ones... and it's the same crop crap, you guys whined about 2 years non stop. No significant extra footage on the sides. It's almost the same, just cleaned up and new colors, but if Funimation did what they did with they have, they def. did a good job if you ask me.

It's definitely NOT the same, as the cropping in the FUNi bricks are all on the same spot. Selective cropping takes careful consideration on where to crop and what not to crop.

[SSj_Rambo]

Uggg, picture quality is terrible. Insanely soft, almost blurry. Detail levels look pretty much identical the orange brick DVDs.

Also, where is the grain? Grain from 16mm film becomes very visible in HD. Lots of film shaking too.

I agree on the shaking, but I can't find a single version that completely eliminates it.

These are still better than the Bricks by a long shot so far, though.

Maybe they are better, matter of opinion, but def. NOT by a long shot...

Personally, I would say "a long shot".

The image is even more blured then the Remastered ones...

It's actually less blurred, it's just that the season sets have a higher contrast level, which seperates colors better and can make lines seem clearer.

and it's the same crop crap, you guys whined about 2 years non stop. No significant extra footage on the sides.

It's not the same "crop crap", it is selectively positioned and in some cases extended on the sides via hand-drawn animation.

It's almost the same, just cleaned up and new colors, but if Funimation did what they did with they have, they def. did a good job if you ask me.

FUNimation definitely could have done better with what they had, the Ultimate Uncut Editions are proof of that. And Kai is in HD, which is a big bonus.

I really don't want to start a big long argument on what-is-better-than-what that ends up making up a majority of the thread, so I'm hoping this won't... and I really hope this doesn’t seem like I'm singling you out.

[Mosaic]

Yes, that last shot shows Raditz has been REDRAWN for that portion. In fact, that whole scene was redrawn (as the scenery looks similar but is quite different and nicer looking). If memory serves me right, someone showed a screen shot of the blasting portion. That whole portion was entirely redrawn, as you could barely see what happened in the original (with Raditz covered in the blast).

And yet... Piccolo's wrist is still incorrectly painted.

[Tsukento]

And yet... Piccolo's wrist is still incorrectly painted.

They didn't fix his "Good Naruto, you look kinda cool" face, either. :p

[SSj_Rambo]

And yet... Piccolo's wrist is still incorrectly painted.

They didn't fix his "Good Naruto, you look kinda cool" face, either. :p

They also could've fixed the Five Finger Faux Pas, but oh well...

[Tsukento]

They also could've fixed the Five Finger Faux Pas, but oh well...

That'd require a helluva lot of time reanimating several frames of scenes involving Piccolo.

[SSJ Helldog]

They also could've fixed the Five Finger Faux Pas, but oh well...

That'd require a helluva lot of time reanimating several frames of scenes involving Piccolo.

They're probably not even aware that it was a mistake.

[SSj_Rambo]

They also could've fixed the Five Finger Faux Pas, but oh well...

That'd require a helluva lot of time reanimating several frames of scenes involving Piccolo.

Yeah, but if they're going to be tracing the scenes anyway, it's only a small portion's worth that would have to be uniquely animated. I see re-dubbing the whole thing, choosing what scenes to leave out, re-coloring so much, selectively cropping everything, adding new special effects, coming up with and incorporating an entirely new BGM score and adding footage to the sides each as a lot more work than fixing an extra finger in a few scenes in every couple episodes.

[ect5150]

Yeah, where did the "shadow lines" on the back of Piccolo's hand go? It appears most of everything was just traced from the original film? I mean, its not bad, but I thought it was remastered... guess not?

[Tsukento]

I see re-dubbing the whole thing, choosing what scenes to leave out, re-coloring so much, selectively cropping everything, adding new special effects, coming up with and incorporating an entirely new BGM score and adding footage to the sides each as a lot more work than fixing an extra finger in a few scenes in every couple episodes.

You'd be surprised, considering how many times Piccolo's appeared.

They're probably not even aware that it was a mistake.

Not a mistake.

And I remembered that the reason he even has five fingers is because it's taboo in Japanese media to have less than five fingers (hence why the aliens in DB have five fingers in the anime, and Left 4 Dead's box art no longer shows a missing thumb).

[rereboy]

They should have reanimated the whole thing by the looks of the opening and ending....

[SSj_Rambo]

I see re-dubbing the whole thing, choosing what scenes to leave out, re-coloring so much, selectively cropping everything, adding new special effects, coming up with and incorporating an entirely new BGM score and adding footage to the sides each as a lot more work than fixing an extra finger in a few scenes in every couple episodes.

You'd be surprised, considering how many times Piccolo's appeared.

Yeah, but out of only 100 episodes, there can't be too many. And aren't they already re-animating each frame? So it wouldn't be that much more work, technically less work actually; since you're drawing less fingers.

[ShinRogafuken]

I see re-dubbing the whole thing, choosing what scenes to leave out, re-coloring so much, selectively cropping everything, adding new special effects, coming up with and incorporating an entirely new BGM score and adding footage to the sides each as a lot more work than fixing an extra finger in a few scenes in every couple episodes.

You'd be surprised, considering how many times Piccolo's appeared.

Yeah, but out of only 100 episodes, there can't be too many. And aren't they already re-animating each frame? So it wouldn't be that much more work, technically less work actually; since you're drawing less fingers.

They aren't reanimating each frame....

[b_boult]

By the looks of things, the artists at Toei forgot to colour in Radditz's tail again in the image comparison above. If you look, there's just a band of white around his waist where his tail is in the original image.

[Herms]

And when I was watching the episode for the bajillionth time, I noticed that the text on the front of this building really looks like it was re-drawn (well, in motion it really looks that way).

[snips ahoy]

I'm curious as to why they would need to re-draw text; did it say anything different in the original? Comaprison please!!

I don't know what the original image looked like, but this one just says "Tenkaichi Budoukai", so unless there was some typo (draw-o?) in the original I'm guessing it's the same as before. Maybe the original was just too read, so they had to redo it like this?

[Tsukento]

They aren't reanimating each frame....

I was referring to the fact that they would have to in order to give Piccolo only 4 fingers.

[omegacwa]

I know I am like, way behind, but I have to say I really like the new opening and endings. But if I have to complain about something, it would be that the new animation makes the old animation look incredibly shitty.