Is Raditz really Goku's brother?

ultimateemail5000 · Post by **ultimateemail5000** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:00 am

This may sound really stupid, but it's been bothering me for many years. We all know Raditz tells Goku he's his older brother, everybody freaks out says they look just the same, which I really dont see the resemblence, other than spikey hair, and the tail. Did he mean that they are brothers as in "your a Saiyan I'm a Saiyan, we're brothers." Or are they really brothers?

I also ask this question because Raditz is never mentioned in the Bardock special, or in any other time. Was he just used as a prop character for Toriyama to say "this is Goku's brother, I'll scrap him after this." What do you guys think?

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:27 am

He is literally Goku's brother. He talks about their father and everything.

dragondyle · Post by **dragondyle** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:15 am

He has a very valid point and been pondering the same thing. What bugs me the most is that Raditz wasn't ever mention in the Bardock special nor was he ever mentioned after Goku asks Yemma in Hell about him and that was it. I'm starting to question him being Goku's brother completely.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:20 am

dragondyle wrote:He has a very valid point and been pondering the same thing. What bugs me the most is that Raditz wasn't ever mention in the Bardock special nor was he ever mentioned after Goku asks Yemma in Hell about him and that was it. I'm starting to question him being Goku's brother completely.

I don't really see why that would make you think they're not really brothers. I mean, Enma himself said they were.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:39 am

I think it's because Raditz is Goku's brother that he gets forgotten after his death.
Remember, it's the likes of Raditz and Vegeta who put emphasis on family/racial history. Goku just plain doesn't care.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:47 am

The Lord of the Afterlife says he's his brother, and Goku himself even refers to him as "my brother" when he's talking about Raditz's pod.

So, we have pretty much the most authoritative confirmation possible, and acceptance from Goku himself, so it's safe to say that they are truly brothers.

BUT...

Doesn't Raditz say "You look... just like your father..." or something similar in Viz's manga? Why would he say "your father" and not "our father"?

Now that I think about it, mabye they're half-brothers. Raditz doesn't look like Bardock, so mabye they just have a slutty Saiya-jin mother, of whom Bardock happened to be one of her conquests? ... Oh God, it actually makes sense...

obiwan23s · Post by **obiwan23s** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:06 am

The Tori-bot wrote:Doesn't Raditz say "You look... just like your father..." or something siimilar in Viz's manga? Why would he say "your father" and not "our father"?

Raditz has not yet identified himself as Goku's brother at that point. Using "our father" in that line would be lol spoilers.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:35 am

I think I remember Herms saying that in Japanese, Raditz refers to Bardock as "father". Not "your father" or "our father".

I might be wrong.

obiwan23s · Post by **obiwan23s** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:54 am

rereboy wrote:I think I remember Herms saying that in Japanese, Raditz refers to Bardock as "father". Not "your father" or "our father".

I might be wrong.

It can still translate as "your father" even though Raditz doesn't use a pronoun. Even saying "You look just like Father" implies they're brothers, which Raditz doesn't reveal until the next chapter.

B · Post by B » Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:29 am

Ya gotta be kidding me.

Raditz takes after Goku's unseen mother.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:16 pm

B wrote:Raditz takes after Goku's unseen mother.

She must be a stone cold fox!

Wasn't she technically another survivor of Planet Vegeta's destruction, since she died a year after it happened?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:43 pm

The Time Traveller wrote:
B wrote:Raditz takes after Goku's unseen mother.
She must be a stone cold fox!

Wasn't she technically another survivor of Planet Vegeta's destruction, since she died a year after it happened?

That was a mistranslation by the French daizenshuu. It was supposed to say Chichi's mother died, not Kakarotto's. The fact that she was listed as dying a year later made people assume she was offworld at the time, but she wasn't.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:09 pm

The Tori-bot wrote:Doesn't Raditz say "You look... just like your father..." or something similar in Viz's manga? Why would he say "your father" and not "our father"?

Now that I think about it, mabye they're half-brothers. Raditz doesn't look like Bardock, so mabye they just have a slutty Saiya-jin mother, of whom Bardock happened to be one of her conquests? ... Oh God, it actually makes sense... :shock:

In the original Japanese he just says you look just like "father". Then later he says that "our father and mother" died in the destruction of Planet Vegeta. So they're full brothers.

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:42 pm

dragondyle wrote:He has a very valid point and been pondering the same thing. What bugs me the most is that Raditz wasn't ever mention in the Bardock special nor was he ever mentioned after Goku asks Yemma in Hell about him and that was it. I'm starting to question him being Goku's brother completely.

I dunno, character balance isn't always Toriyama's strong point. From what I remember, Grandpa Gohan's last mention in the manga comes shortly after Radditz'; I don't think he's so much as alluded to after Goku's revelation during the Vegeta fight.

Bejiita · Post by **Bejiita** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:19 pm

There's no question about it, he is definately Goku's older brother, it's something I've never even asked myself before. It's the strong way it was exectuted, he reveales it after landing and it comes as a shock to Goku, he even tells him again after him and Piccolo land to fight him, just before the fight Raditz reminds him that he is his brother again.

Plus there no point really in thinking that they're not related because they don't look that similar, Kamessenin looks different to Baba, and also, I never pictured Goku's mother being a slut in anyway, to be honest, despite the fact that Saiyans are meant to be the equivelant of savage cavemen who took over their planet, I hardly see them as savages with no heart or family morals, sure they love to fight, but the only Saiyan we see that represents pure evil and no regard for anyone including the Saiyans themselves and his own family is Vegeta, and eventually even he turns good. The other Sayians weren't pure evil, even Nappa has some heart, he is shocked when he realised Vegeta doesn't give a shit about Radditz dying, even though the three of them stuck together through Freeza's tough times, his only concern was immortality and being stronger than everyone else, he should have realised Vegeta would end up being the cause of his death, he's just a big dope. Radditz does act kind of sore, but he is the weakest of the trio, and with everything being transmitted through the scouters, he can't exactly go soft, given a chance even he would have seen the side of good.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:24 pm

Dayspring wrote:
The Time Traveller wrote:
B wrote:Raditz takes after Goku's unseen mother.
She must be a stone cold fox!

Wasn't she technically another survivor of Planet Vegeta's destruction, since she died a year after it happened?
That was a mistranslation by the French daizenshuu. It was supposed to say Chichi's mother died, not Kakarotto's. The fact that she was listed as dying a year later made people assume she was offworld at the time, but she wasn't.

Dammit, I guess that does make more sense, Kakarotto's mother was probably resting at the time, unless Saiyans can have a baby and then go beat people up.

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:05 pm

Raditz is Son Goku's brother, it is explicitly stated that he is Goku's brother, more than once, in fact. It baffles me why anyone would think otherwise. Just because they don't resemble each other doesn't mean they aren't brothers. Even Lord Enma says Raditz is Goku's brother. Raditz saying "You wouldn't kill your own brother?" heavily implies that Goku IS HIS BROTHER! Plus the fact that Raditz says you look just like your father, and then goes on to say about what happened to their parents when they died on Planet Vegeta. He says "Our parents. Your parents, Kakarot." Seriously, how can you think that Raditz is NOT his brother when it is a well-know fact? Why would Toriyama lie about Raditz being Goku's brother?

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:06 pm

dragondyle wrote:He has a very valid point and been pondering the same thing. What bugs me the most is that Raditz wasn't ever mention in the Bardock special nor was he ever mentioned after Goku asks Yemma in Hell about him and that was it. I'm starting to question him being Goku's brother completely.

No, it's not a valid point. It's explicitly stated that Raditz is Son Goku's brother, why would you think otherwise? See my post that I wrote.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:30 pm

The Tori-bot wrote:The Lord of the Afterlife says he's his brother, and Goku himself even refers to him as "my brother" when he's talking about Raditz's pod.

So, we have pretty much the most authoritative confirmation possible, and acceptance from Goku himself, so it's safe to say that they are truly brothers.

BUT...

Doesn't Raditz say "You look... just like your father..." or something similar in Viz's manga? Why would he say "your father" and not "our father"?

Now that I think about it, mabye they're half-brothers. Raditz doesn't look like Bardock, so mabye they just have a slutty Saiya-jin mother, of whom Bardock happened to be one of her conquests? ... Oh God, it actually makes sense...

Their mom is Silk Spectre?

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:25 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
dragondyle wrote:He has a very valid point and been pondering the same thing. What bugs me the most is that Raditz wasn't ever mention in the Bardock special nor was he ever mentioned after Goku asks Yemma in Hell about him and that was it. I'm starting to question him being Goku's brother completely.
No, it's not a valid point. It's explicitly stated that Raditz is Son Goku's brother, why would you think otherwise? See my post that I wrote.

Why do you always double post when there's an edit button?

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