Daizenshuu EX DB wiki...again

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon May 25, 2009 1:06 am

Taku128 wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:
Dayspring wrote: If I were to look for wiki not part of the actual wikipedia, I don't want to have to look for something "new." There's a reason Meri said what she did; wiki is normally just easier. If it's going to be made by daizex, I want the top 5 google entries of a "daizex" search to lead me to the daizex wikia.
That's pretty much what I was trying to say, what's the point of making this awesome encyclopedia if nobody is ever going to use it?
For the forum members. All the time people are asking questions about the series on the forums or in the chat because there's no way to know the answer outside of getting out your manga or DVDs and finding the part you have a question about. Having a wiki would fix this.

Yeah, but all the more reason why we don't need something random like "Kaio Roku" or "The Dragon Radar" as a title, no matter how fitting they are as names. It's Daizex's wiki, so it should be something Daizex-affiliated. Otherwise I'm going to associate it as "just another DB site/wiki," and end up never finding it after a month of not using it.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Mon May 25, 2009 1:27 am

Dayspring wrote:Yeah, but all the more reason why we don't need something random like "Kaio Roku" or "The Dragon Radar" as a title, no matter how fitting they are as names. It's Daizex's wiki, so it should be something Daizex-affiliated. Otherwise I'm going to associate it as "just another DB site/wiki," and end up never finding it after a month of not using it.

I don't think the goal is to cater exclusively to the Daizex community. I think the goal should be to provide an accurate Dragon Ball centered Wiki that focuses only on the original version to prevent any confusion and misconceptions regarding various dubs and translations. It should be open to everybody who's interested in learning more about the series in its most pure form

. Afterall, that's a hell of a lot of work to only be regularly used by a couple dozen people.

I think The Dragon Radar is a good name because it's lighthearted and fun, just like Dragon Ball. It's also kind of a symbol. You use the Dragon Radar to seek the Dragon Balls which were created for good and unity (or something like that). I dunno, there's a metaphor in there somewhere.

Post by **Herms** » Mon May 25, 2009 1:36 am

Innagadadavida wrote:I don't think the goal is to cater exclusively to the Daizex community. I think the goal should be to provide an accurate Dragon Ball centered Wiki that focuses only on the original version to prevent any confusion and misconceptions regarding various dubs and translations. It should be open to everybody who's interested in learning more about the series in its most pure form :P. Afterall, that's a hell of a lot of work to only be regularly used by a couple dozen people.

I agree with this. There wouldn't be much point (or at least not as much of a point) in having the Daizex community make a wiki that's only read by...the Daizex community. It'd be like we're just telling each other stuff we already know.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Mon May 25, 2009 3:30 am

Herms wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:I don't think the goal is to cater exclusively to the Daizex community. I think the goal should be to provide an accurate Dragon Ball centered Wiki that focuses only on the original version to prevent any confusion and misconceptions regarding various dubs and translations. It should be open to everybody who's interested in learning more about the series in its most pure form . Afterall, that's a hell of a lot of work to only be regularly used by a couple dozen people.
I agree with this. There be much point (or at least as much of a point) in having the Daizex community make a wiki that's only read by...the Daizex community. It'd be like we're just telling each other stuff we already know.

Yes, yes, yes. It's like people are finally thinking the same thing I am. It's like you said, if you're going to put as much work into this as it seems like it's going to take just for it to be read by the people who don't really need it then what's the point?

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Mon May 25, 2009 9:02 am

Daizenshuu EX is already a very outside-ish name for a Dragon Ball site, back when I was a noob to the series, I had no idea what a Daizenshuu was, so finding this site was very hard, and it's really a good place for the fans.

Dragon Radar would be the best possible name.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon May 25, 2009 12:45 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:
Herms wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:I don't think the goal is to cater exclusively to the Daizex community. I think the goal should be to provide an accurate Dragon Ball centered Wiki that focuses only on the original version to prevent any confusion and misconceptions regarding various dubs and translations. It should be open to everybody who's interested in learning more about the series in its most pure form . Afterall, that's a hell of a lot of work to only be regularly used by a couple dozen people.
I agree with this. There be much point (or at least as much of a point) in having the Daizex community make a wiki that's only read by...the Daizex community. It'd be like we're just telling each other stuff we already know.
Yes, yes, yes. It's like people are finally thinking the same thing I am. It's like you said, if you're going to put as much work into this as it seems like it's going to take just for it to be read by the people who don't really need it then what's the point?

I think you're all missing my point. I know it's not by Daizex for Daizex, but it is indeed still by Daizex. This isn't just another DB wiki, it's the DB wiki made by Daizex. Yes, we're making a DB wiki for the fanbase as a whole, but wikipedia itself could just as easily be a better source because of what Meri said.

Essentially the best thing to do for the community would be to make a subforum here dedicated to the DB Wiki. Then, once we're all ready, we pretty much attack Wikipedia itself with massive edits, references, everything. Then the community will have a DB Wiki worth going to found on the easiest to find Wiki. The problem here is that people are bound to edit our changes with nonsense (from dubs, rumors, etc), which is why we're making a Daizex wiki to begin with. But again, if we're going to do a Daizex wiki, why market it as just another fan-made DB wiki if the goal is to let the community know that it's the wiki associated with a reputable site like Daizex?

Hao_Kaiser · Post by **Hao_Kaiser** » Mon May 25, 2009 1:13 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:I don't think the goal is to cater exclusively to the Daizex community. I think the goal should be to provide an accurate Dragon Ball centered Wiki that focuses only on the original version to prevent any confusion and misconceptions regarding various dubs and translations. It should be open to everybody who's interested in learning more about the series in its most pure form Razz. Afterall, that's a hell of a lot of work to only be regularly used by a couple dozen people.

I think The Dragon Radar is a good name because it's lighthearted and fun, just like Dragon Ball. It's also kind of a symbol. You use the Dragon Radar to seek the Dragon Balls which were created for good and unity (or something like that). I dunno, there's a metaphor in there somewhere.

Dayspring wrote:But again, if we're going to do a Daizex wiki, why market it as just another fan-made DB wiki if the goal is to let the community know that it's the wiki associated with a reputable site like Daizex?

I hate to just randomly jump into the conversation like this, but couldn't we indicate that the wiki is edited by Daizenshuu EX members without titling the wiki "Daizenshuu EX - The Wiki"?

For example, the header on Wikipedia says:

Welcome to Wikipedia,
the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.

So why couldn't the Daizex community's wiki have something like:

Welcome to The Dragon Radar,
the free Dragon Ball encyclopedia compiled and maintained by the Daizenshuu EX community.

?

And I don't really have any idea how Google tracking works, but couldn't that possibly be enough to have it show up when you search "Daizenshuu EX"?

I dunno, just my two cents. I really can't wait to see what comes from this whole project either way.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon May 25, 2009 4:26 pm

Hao_Kaiser wrote:For example, the header on Wikipedia says:
Welcome to Wikipedia,
the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.
So why couldn't the Daizex community's wiki have something like:
Welcome to The Dragon Radar,
the free Dragon Ball encyclopedia compiled and maintained by the Daizenshuu EX community.

Exactly. At least have a major call out. The point is that we're not just another DB wiki (otherwise we'd save time by editing DB-Wiki or Wikipedia itself), so why market ourselves as just another DB Wiki?

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Mon May 25, 2009 4:28 pm

@Hao_Kaiser
Agree, it's not technically by Daizex, since anyone can edit it, although we do have heavy involvement, but it wouldn't hurt to tell people we're the ones editing most of it.

And again, regarding what Mari said, it's really just habit

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Mon May 25, 2009 5:21 pm

Dayspring wrote:Exactly. At least have a major call out. The point is that we're not just another DB wiki (otherwise we'd save time by editing DB-Wiki or Wikipedia itself), so why market ourselves as just another DB Wiki?

I think you missed what we were saying. It's fine if you plaster Daizex all over the place and make sure everybody knows who made it, but if the only people who are going to be seeing it are the people who made it then what's the point?[/i]

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon May 25, 2009 7:44 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:
Dayspring wrote:Exactly. At least have a major call out. The point is that we're not just another DB wiki (otherwise we'd save time by editing DB-Wiki or Wikipedia itself), so why market ourselves as just another DB Wiki?
I think you missed what we were saying. It's fine if you plaster Daizex all over the place and make sure everybody knows who made it, but if the only people who are going to be seeing it are the people who made it then what's the point?[/i]

I simply don't understand why it has to be either just used by Daizex or just a completely a random DB wiki.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Mon May 25, 2009 8:02 pm

Dayspring wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:
Dayspring wrote:Exactly. At least have a major call out. The point is that we're not just another DB wiki (otherwise we'd save time by editing DB-Wiki or Wikipedia itself), so why market ourselves as just another DB Wiki?
I think you missed what we were saying. It's fine if you plaster Daizex all over the place and make sure everybody knows who made it, but if the only people who are going to be seeing it are the people who made it then what's the point?[/i]
I simply don't understand why it has to be either just used by Daizex or just a completely a random DB wiki.

It doesn't, but if it's only being used by the people at Daizex then it really serves no purpose because for the most part people here already know these things.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon May 25, 2009 8:08 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:
Dayspring wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote: I think you missed what we were saying. It's fine if you plaster Daizex all over the place and make sure everybody knows who made it, but if the only people who are going to be seeing it are the people who made it then what's the point?[/i]
I simply don't understand why it has to be either just used by Daizex or just a completely a random DB wiki.
It doesn't, but if it's only being used by the people at Daizex then it really serves no purpose because for the most part people here already know these things.

But that's neither here nor there. My point is that marketing it as something completely new, while smart for a website, isn't good for a wiki. Since the Daizex names helps identify it while adding to the wiki's credibility, it should be incorporated somehow.

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Mon May 25, 2009 8:27 pm

Wouldn't the wiki be for anyone who wants to access it? new fans, old fans, daizex members, anyone

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Mon May 25, 2009 8:32 pm

You've all taken what I said in my original statement a page back and twisted it into something completely different, we aren't even talking about that same thing anymore.

Freeza Heika · Post by **Freeza Heika** » Tue May 26, 2009 10:28 am

We can never guarantee that those other than people at Daizex will find it, but we can do our best to make it findable and accessible for them. Even if a large enough outside population doesn't visit, we'll at least have at our disposal the combined knowledge of our community, laid out in an easy to find manor, something that cannot be said entirely of the forum (mostly in regards to the latter).
The name only serves to provide credibility. Having Daizenshuu Ex be somewhere in the title cannot be a hindrance as long as it is used appropriately (possible the best place for it would be in a subtitle). Any other "clever" name can always work out as long as somewhere, it is made abundantly clear what the site is.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Tue May 26, 2009 4:09 pm

Freeza Heika wrote:We can never guarantee that those other than people at Daizex will find it, but we can do our best to make it findable and accessible for them.

Well said.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Fri May 29, 2009 10:02 pm

So is this thing going to happen or what? What was the verdict?

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Fri May 29, 2009 10:12 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:So is this thing going to happen or what? What was the verdict?

A few pages back everyone said it was going to happen, then they started debating about names, content and target audience, adn then it stopped

I wanna know too

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sat May 30, 2009 1:33 am

Innagadadavida wrote:So is this thing going to happen or what? What was the verdict?

Oh, absolutely. But it'll take time. If we're gonna do something, we're gonna do it right.