Dragonball GT: Why Hate

[Wojak]

Not just Toei hates Vegeta, but Toriyama and a large number of this forum.

What? I haven't seen much hate here. Not more than to any other character.

I think that he is one of the most interesting characters. Freeza saga Vegeta was the most awesome character. He had both power and intelligence.
Like a member of a Saiya-jin Swat team, if it existed. He infiltrated and destroyed.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

There's no real danger in the beginning of the series when we know Gokû can (presumeably) multiply his power up to 400 times instantaneously, so why fear him being in a pinch in his base form?

This is a good point. Regardless of what the multiplications were, the characters were often getting beaten up by something that should have been a push over. They were probably wasting more ki dicking around and getting beaten up than they would if they just went SSJ and ended it already.

Also, the Professor said that Goku and Vegeta act like veterans. Well, Vegeta might, but I don't think Goku did. It's more like he lost all his battle experience when he became a kid and spent the whole series making rookie mistakes.

For the record, I re-watched half of GT recently and enjoyed it. I do like the series. But it's just poorly executed a lot of the time.

Rild is the best example in the first half of the series. He only seems to be a threatening villain until Toei decides, "nah we don't need him any more, let's move on," and suddenly he becomes a pushover. He said to Goku a few episodes earlier, "so long as there is metal on this planet I can do this forever," then Goku, Trunks and Pan beat him with a 1 handed ki blast each? Ffff..

Dont forget that Baby controlled Rild by time Goku and company was about to take off into space. After ki blasting him, Baby probably did the final blow to him which we didn't see. Just like Baby did to Dr. Myuu.

[Rocketman]

They shat on him during movies 6-8 when he should've been the most powerful Z fighter...

Could you elaborate on this point? I heard you mentioned it before and no one challenged you so I thought it was worth finding out why you believe this.

After Vegeta flies off after Gero, Piccolo says "he may have even surpassed Goku" (paraphrasing). Vegeta himself brags that he's stronger than Goku to 18 (granted, Vegeta brags a lot, but this time has Piccolo mostly backing him up).

So in movies 6 and 7, Vegeta should at the very least be Goku's equal, which doesn't happen.

By movie 8, Vegeta's been in the Time Chamber, while Goku and Gohan haven't/haven't finished (not SSjs 24/7, Gohan is much weaker than Goku, etc).

Movie 8 even pours salt in the wound by making Vegeta's energy be enough for Goku to go from being Broly's whipping boy to punching a whole in Broly's chest. But Vegeta couldn't defeat Broly because...? (Hint: because he's not ~GOKU~)

[Kaboom]

Movie 8 even pours salt in the wound by making Vegeta's energy be enough for Goku to go from being Broly's whipping boy to punching a whole in Broly's chest. But Vegeta couldn't defeat Broly because...? (Hint: because he's not ~GOKU~)

I figure that Goku was just reserving whatever amount of ki he already had from the others, and it was enough to let him tank Broly's blows without taking too much damage. For fear of wasting it, he didn't let it loose until he had Vegeta's ki, which finally gave him enough to be absolutely sure he could top Broly. But that's just my idea.

[Victator Supreme]

By movie 8, Vegeta's been in the Time Chamber, while Goku and Gohan haven't/haven't finished (not SSjs 24/7, Gohan is much weaker than Goku, etc).

Gohan has aged a year.

[Tibby]

There were very few things I liked about GT. I don't completely hate it, I just dislike it. I loved the opening/ending themes and a lot of the ideas, but:

1) The setup for each saga was okay(except Super 17, which came out of nowhere), but they were handled poorly in my opinion. The concepts sound exciting, but it was just one big disappointment after another. I know they were trying to mimic the original DB, but the humor was bland and repetitive. It wasn't the same. I guess I liked some of the first episodes though, before Bebi showed up.

2) GT Trunks. 13 years and I still hate you for this, Toei. Haaaate.

3) New villains were boring, ugly, and unoriginal. You can only recycle personalities so much.

4) Speaking of repetitive.. I hope you like Goku, because he's the only character who accomplishes anything significant in this series.

6) Character designs. I liked Pan's, I think that's it.

7) Animation was horrible at certain points. The first few episodes looked great. Then this happened:

My only major non-aesthetic issue would be them NOT taking Vegeta with them into space. I mean; why on Earth would you leave the one guy who actually has experience traveling around in outer space, behind?!

Same. I thought that Vegeta would want to go too.

[jda95]

I really like Dragon Ball GT. But I can't deny that it has many flaws and is the worst of the three series. The thing I dislike the most about GT is how many characters were simply 'abandoned'. We saw it enough from Toriyama so Toei was given a chance to give the spotlight to someone else, but they failed. Also, the small plotholes that the show makes are a bit hard to gloss over.

[Victator Supreme]

Same. I thought that Vegeta would want to go too.

Be in an enclosed space with Goku for a year?

I enjoyed the Bebi arc. It was a good way to make a new villian without making another villian stronger than Buu. Instead he needs to infect Vegeta to obtain full power.

But the bad outweighs the good by a lot. The new designs were terrible. They would forget things like Gohan no longer turning super saiyan to obtain his power. Not even explaining what happened to the original Dragonballs, and why they could not just wish for the black star balls to be returned. Shitting on every other character. Such as having Uub get destroyed by Omega Shenron with ease. Having base Goku defeat Freeza and Cell with ease.

GT gives you a proper perspective on how much Toriyama contributed to the anime (both tv series and movies). Because GT just goes off the rails so quickly. The show just does not feel like Dragonball at times. The entire atmosphere is off.

[saiyanprincess]

Same. I thought that Vegeta would want to go too.

Be in an enclosed space with Goku for a year? .

You totally took the words out of my mouth, The spaceship was pretty small and Vegeta is the type of guy that needs quite a bit of "Alone Time" Sticking him and Goku in a small cramped spaceship for a year would be close to toture. I could see Vegeta attempting to abandon Goku somewhere in the deepest darkest depths of space and taking the ship.
(Although Goku if in adult form could just zap himself back...)

Vegeta just seemed to want to shift the torture onto his son, It does seem a bit of a cop-out compared to the Z Vegeta who was stealing ships to get off Earth. Maybe he was just staying on Earth to keep an eye on Bulma and Bra? I certainly couldn't see Bulma wanting to go in space and repeat Namek all over again!

[Wojak]

Same. I thought that Vegeta would want to go too.

Be in an enclosed space with Goku for a year? .

You totally took the words out of my mouth, The spaceship was pretty small and Vegeta is the type of guy that needs quite a bit of "Alone Time" Sticking him and Goku in a small cramped spaceship for a year would be close to toture.

I think that by Vegeta's nature, he would rather stick with Goku to make sure that the gap between them didn't get too big during the travel.
And also, he would be proud to show his knowledge and thus be the leader of the expedition through space.
My theory.

[Big Boss]

Jesus Christ, what the hell is that... Some Yaoi fanfic?

Seriously though, I don't like GT that much. It had some interesting ideas, but they were poorly executed. The only redeeming factor was Akihito Tokunaga's music, IMO.

[Shiyonasan]

I liked GT up until the Super 17 arc.

The Black Star Dragon Ball arc was the best arc in GT in my opinion. Going back to the "find the dragon balls" type storyline was a throw back to Dragon Ball, and I kind of wish the story remained in this format. I also wish Goku remained a kid only for this arc.

The Bebi arc was pretty good too. He possesses Bulma and uses Vegeta to transform in order to make himself more powerful. I thought that was pretty original and executed very well. The use of SSJ4 was done the best in this arc too in my opinion.

Then we get to the Super 17 arc. I felt like this arc should have been a movie instead of an arc. I didn't like the way Freeza and Cell were put in this arc too. That part of the series was executed completely wrong. I did however like the battle against Super 17, especially at the end when #18 helped Goku to defeat Super 17.

I haven't seen much of the last arc, but from what I've seen, it's okay, but not that special.


GT is okay overall, but definitely the worst of all the series.

[Bardock No Sensei]

Jesus Christ, what the hell is that... Some Yaoi fanfic?

Seriously though, I don't like GT that much. It had some interesting ideas, but they were poorly executed. The only redeeming factor was Akihito Tokunaga's music, IMO.

Okay... yaoi? What do you mean by that?

[The Tori-bot]

Jesus Christ, what the hell is that... Some Yaoi fanfic?

Seriously though, I don't like GT that much. It had some interesting ideas, but they were poorly executed. The only redeeming factor was Akihito Tokunaga's music, IMO.

Okay... yaoi? What do you mean by that?

Shonen-ai. Boy-love. Man-on-man. Gravitation.

[Son Wukong]

I made peace with GT a long time ago. I just watch the majority of the scenes while being on ''auto-pilot'' or '' childish fun'' mode. And most of the times Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku fills your stamina while the last few minutes you try to hold on because in the end a terrific ending song like Don't you see! awaits you.

[B]

It's a fun series if you shut your brain off. As a standalone show, it's fine. Comparing it to other DB product is where things get... eeeeeh.

[the_abberration]

I basically liked DBGT because it was a continuation of a show I had grown to love (continuity issues aside). SSJ4 was a cool concept. I enjoyed how they tried to work the Golden Oozaru into the story.

To me, the best part was Bebei Vegeta. After possessing Vegeta and transforming, he was like an anti-Goku. He even had his own version of the Spirit Bomb (using the energy of the people he enslaved).

I mean if they had of expanded on this, it could have been a homage to Goku’s and Vegeta’s first battle (in some ways it was). I wished that Vegeta could have somehow kept the “Bebei Vegeta” look as a new power up (in contrast to SSJ3 or 4).

What took away from it for me was that unlike in DBZ where the fights dragged on for weeks, they felt rushed in GT. It’s hard to believe that Goku was facing strong opponents when it was over so quickly. I understand why the fights were so short, but they could have found a happy medium.

Like everyone else, the ending provided "real" closure so to speak.

Super 17 was a good concept. Again it seemed rushed and it was hard (for me) to beleive he was supposed to be stronger than Cell.

I think the Evil Dragons arc would have been better if they had just an evil Shenron. I think it would have opened a new dynamic, if Goku had to face Shenron as an enemy instead of his evil ball dragons.

Shonen-ai. Boy-love. Man-on-man. Gravitation.

So that explains the Para Para Bros. Don't forget to

[SSJmole]

Honestly I like GT. Gill was awesome (especially gill/pan scenes) , Kid goku was great seeing him like that again. I enjoy Pan she's a pretty cool character. Baby was a great villain. Super 17 was cool and the evil dragons were interesting idea,

Faults = Vegeta's hair, I die a little inside each time I see it. Trunks, some enemies seemed pointless.


Overall though I think the GT hate is a running joke so to speak. Just like sagas is. Are there worse games than sagas? Yes. Are their worse cartoons than GT? Yes. But it seems funnier making out they are both worst of the worst.

[Bussani]

I did however like the battle against Super 17, especially at the end when #18 helped Goku to defeat Super 17.

#18 helping was good, but that fight is another example of Goku forgetting everything he knows about fighting, if I remember right. He just fed Super 17 ki for nearly the whole episode.

[SSJmole]

I did however like the battle against Super 17, especially at the end when #18 helped Goku to defeat Super 17.

#18 helping was good, but that fight is another example of Goku forgetting everything he knows about fighting, if I remember right. He just fed Super 17 ki for nearly the whole episode.

But wasn't goku's plan? He wanted to see how much super 17 could take even doing 10XKamehameha to him. So it's not forgetting he was testing him.